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Post by Tim on Jan 25, 2012 7:00:25 GMT -6
Even if the Jets go on a little win streak or sneak in front of Florida for a playoff spot, reality is it will probably be a very short playoff run. I myself would love to see the team tank and be in the playoff lottery and having a shot at a top 5 pick for this years draft. This is looking like it will be a pretty strong draft year, and my thinking is I rather have some short term pain to get a long term gain, it's all about the future of this franchise....
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Post by Sam on Jan 25, 2012 7:08:16 GMT -6
And the owners should realise this, but I guess you can't field a team just to lose matches and drop down the rankings, the team and the owners would be hounded by almost everyone, and it's not as though you can really implement this either, how can you deliberately lose without people catching on? It would impact the players etc and would warrant trades
But I do agree with you..
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Post by Tim on Jan 25, 2012 7:31:46 GMT -6
And the owners should realise this, but I guess you can't field a team just to lose matches and drop down the rankings, the team and the owners would be hounded by almost everyone, and it's not as though you can really implement this either, how can you deliberately lose without people catching on? It would impact the players etc and would warrant trades But I do agree with you.. I would never suggest to throw a game, but if Buff and Kane need time to heal, let them. If we have guys on the farm that we need to take a good long look at, lets look. If we can trade some dead weight right now and obtain draft picks do so.
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Post by Sam on Jan 25, 2012 7:34:37 GMT -6
Fair point, I guess that'd be the way to 'unintentionally' throw a game lol. But yeah, it's looking like it'll be a strong draft this year (something I'm gonna try watch online) and it'd be foolish to try and earn a playoff spot and sacrifice a top 5. But on the other hand.. no playoffs, no Teemu?!
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Post by Wolfie on Jan 25, 2012 8:06:07 GMT -6
Every playoff game means a couple million dollars in pure profit. If the team is a break-even proposition, as Mr. Chipman likes to remind us, I can't see them doing anything to jeopardize this money.
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Post by trigger204 on Jan 25, 2012 8:12:24 GMT -6
i thought this throughout the season so far, but it's such a weird dynamic to hope your team looses.
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Post by Tim on Jan 25, 2012 8:17:18 GMT -6
Every playoff game means a couple million dollars in pure profit. If the team is a break-even proposition, as Mr. Chipman likes to remind us, I can't see them doing anything to jeopardize this money. I think he would rather have 16 mil then 4mil, and to get to that 16 mil point you may have to give up on that first 4mil.
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Post by jmt21 on Jan 25, 2012 9:38:26 GMT -6
Is this team really a "break-even" proposition? Somehow I doubt it. Right now we're 5 points out of a playoff spot.... but also 5 points from the bottom of the conference. Catching Florida is irrelevant as Washington will win this division. Tampa has won 4 straight and are only 4 points behind us with 2 games in hand. As I mentioned previously, finishing 9th or 10th is brutal... no play off money and a mediocre draft pick. Could anyone envision a scenario where we make a deal with Columbus for the #1 pick? Yakupov - Burmistrov - Antropov (dare to dream... )
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Post by Wolfie on Jan 25, 2012 10:46:45 GMT -6
Every playoff game means a couple million dollars in pure profit. If the team is a break-even proposition, as Mr. Chipman likes to remind us, I can't see them doing anything to jeopardize this money. I think he would rather have 16 mil then 4mil, and to get to that 16 mil point you may have to give up on that first 4mil. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Maybe even four in the bush.
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Post by LTZ on Jan 25, 2012 11:06:04 GMT -6
And the owners should realise this, but I guess you can't field a team just to lose matches and drop down the rankings, the team and the owners would be hounded by almost everyone, and it's not as though you can really implement this either, how can you deliberately lose without people catching on? It would impact the players etc and would warrant trades But I do agree with you.. I would never suggest to throw a game, but if Buff and Kane need time to heal, let them. If we have guys on the farm that we need to take a good long look at, lets look. If we can trade some dead weight right now and obtain draft picks do so. Sounds exactly like throwing games. What message does it send to the players to stop trying to win? Good way to build up trust and confidence in the locker room. "You guys don't have a chance so we're going to bring up a bunch of prospects and let some guys rest so we can get a better draft pick". Plenty of great players come as later picks in the draft. Trust in the scouting. Detroit done a pretty good job. Pavel Datsyuk?? There are teams that have had years and years of top 10 picks and don't seem to be any better for it. If a team likes a prospect and aren't in a position to get them in the draft based on their pick #, they can try to trade up etc. I lose a ton of respect for management if trying to get a higher pick becomes more important than going hard to make the playoffs. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Tim on Jan 25, 2012 11:40:22 GMT -6
I would never suggest to throw a game, but if Buff and Kane need time to heal, let them. If we have guys on the farm that we need to take a good long look at, lets look. If we can trade some dead weight right now and obtain draft picks do so. Sounds exactly like throwing games. What message does it send to the players to stop trying to win? Good way to build up trust and confidence in the locker room. "You guys don't have a chance so we're going to bring up a bunch of prospects and let some guys rest so we can get a better draft pick". Plenty of great players come as later picks in the draft. Trust in the scouting. Detroit done a pretty good job. Pavel Datsyuk?? There are teams that have had years and years of top 10 picks and don't seem to be any better for it. If a team likes a prospect and aren't in a position to get them in the draft based on their pick #, they can try to trade up etc. I lose a ton of respect for management if trying to get a higher pick becomes more important than going hard to make the playoffs. Absolutely ridiculous. Ferrgie did to get Hawerchuck!
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Post by LTZ on Jan 25, 2012 11:46:59 GMT -6
Sounds exactly like throwing games. What message does it send to the players to stop trying to win? Good way to build up trust and confidence in the locker room. "You guys don't have a chance so we're going to bring up a bunch of prospects and let some guys rest so we can get a better draft pick". Plenty of great players come as later picks in the draft. Trust in the scouting. Detroit done a pretty good job. Pavel Datsyuk?? There are teams that have had years and years of top 10 picks and don't seem to be any better for it. If a team likes a prospect and aren't in a position to get them in the draft based on their pick #, they can try to trade up etc. I lose a ton of respect for management if trying to get a higher pick becomes more important than going hard to make the playoffs. Absolutely ridiculous. Ferrgie did to get Hawerchuck! Oh. OK. That completely changes my mind about this team doing it.
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Post by exthrasher on Jan 25, 2012 11:48:18 GMT -6
I would never suggest to throw a game, but if Buff and Kane need time to heal, let them. If we have guys on the farm that we need to take a good long look at, lets look. If we can trade some dead weight right now and obtain draft picks do so. Sounds exactly like throwing games. What message does it send to the players to stop trying to win? Good way to build up trust and confidence in the locker room. "You guys don't have a chance so we're going to bring up a bunch of prospects and let some guys rest so we can get a better draft pick". Plenty of great players come as later picks in the draft. Trust in the scouting. Detroit done a pretty good job. Pavel Datsyuk?? There are teams that have had years and years of top 10 picks and don't seem to be any better for it. If a team likes a prospect and aren't in a position to get them in the draft based on their pick #, they can try to trade up etc. I lose a ton of respect for management if trying to get a higher pick becomes more important than going hard to make the playoffs. Absolutely ridiculous. Agree for 100%. Jets has to push and push hard to Play Offs. Atlanta Thrashers had a Horrible reptutation around NHL Players. If Jets wants to make a same way it will kill them. Do not stop playing HARD until Final game. Try to push to Play Offs. It is possible.
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Post by JayR on Jan 25, 2012 11:48:46 GMT -6
Sounds exactly like throwing games. What message does it send to the players to stop trying to win? Good way to build up trust and confidence in the locker room. "You guys don't have a chance so we're going to bring up a bunch of prospects and let some guys rest so we can get a better draft pick". Plenty of great players come as later picks in the draft. Trust in the scouting. Detroit done a pretty good job. Pavel Datsyuk?? There are teams that have had years and years of top 10 picks and don't seem to be any better for it. If a team likes a prospect and aren't in a position to get them in the draft based on their pick #, they can try to trade up etc. I lose a ton of respect for management if trying to get a higher pick becomes more important than going hard to make the playoffs. Absolutely ridiculous. Ferrgie did to get Hawerchuck! Get out of the 80's buddy - so what if he did that? And how do you know for sure? Did that win the Jets a cup? Or come even close? The fact you think this is ok makes me wonder about some of the fanbase out there.
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Post by maniaaron on Jan 25, 2012 11:59:23 GMT -6
ahh yes the Ferrgie years . don't get me started, i mean taking Wade C and Morris L over Kent N ? the guy was clueless in talent evaluation ! it's time to do the opposite of what Ferrgie would do ya know the George Castansa method
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