quackbeth
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Post by quackbeth on Nov 1, 2011 1:40:37 GMT -6
Its the Western Division I've always dreamed of...it's...it's BEAUTIFUL! So long as those disgusting Yotes are blown out, two good things come from that: 1. Quebec Nordiques and 2. That'd give 7 for the Pacific Division...so there's room for an 8th team...Seattle, eventually, is my hope, that'd really complete things: ANA, LA, SJ, SEA, VAN, CGY, EDM, COL It's PERFECT! VAN/CGY/EDM stay together...ANA/LA/SJ stay together...SEA is added to give those rivalries EACH another regional rival...and the Avalanche franchise is a good, solid, decent franchise, with a history it built for itself after the Quebec move, a Cup and Roy and Sakic and Foote and all... It's like if the Original Jets' move produced a decent franchsie in return: It doesn't make the Nordiques' move good or right...but AT LEAST we can agree it produced a decent franchise, one where snow DOES fall and one that's generally not lumped in with the "Black-eye" expansion teams...the AVs are alright. My one qualm would be splitting up the AVs and Red Wings, that was a good rivalry... So a decent backup here would be making DAL the 8th Pacific team instead...the Texas Rangers, after all, are in the AL West with the Seattle Marienrs, Oakland A's, and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Either way. FINALLY, the NHL seems on track for some good years and, with the NBA out of commision, a climb back into the mainstream a bit, hopefully!
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Post by phillymike on Nov 1, 2011 7:26:14 GMT -6
The original post makes the most sense! For right now! Lets see where a few franchises wind up in a few years! I'm pretty sure that we can stop wondering about expansion for awhile. Although the league took in record revenue last year, almost 1/2 of the teams are losing money, but truthfully nothing would shock me!
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Post by frozenpondblue531 on Nov 1, 2011 7:49:26 GMT -6
I would rather develop rivalries with the Flames, Oilers, and Canucks (and not just because of the location I am at). I just cannot get excited to see a Jets-Wild game. Ditto for Dallas, St. Louis, Nashville or Columbus. The only team I would love to see is Chicago. I know there are plenty who think like this but I don't get it. Geographically it makes no sense. Further to that I don't see the need to only have rivalries with Canadian teams. Time for some new rivalries...and to let go of a little bit of the past maybe? A division with Chicago, Detroit, Minny would be great IMO. A rivalry with Minny makes most sense as they are the closest team to us. Geographically, it would make best sense if Winnipeg was in a division with Calgary/Edmonton as opposed to Chicago/St.Louis/etc. because Minneapolis is the only NHL city closer to Winnipeg than Calgary & Edmonton. Everyone else is further in drive & distance. After geography, the next dimension is the demand of the fans. Winnipeg fans, in general (not all - there is no right or wrong), want games against Calgary, Edmonton, & Vancouver. Not much interest in seeing St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, & Columbus. Why? Because Winnipeg has more in common AND more history with Calgary/Edmonton/Vancouver that the quality of those teams is near irrelevant (look how much of a mess Calgary is and will be). With US Midwest teams (excluding Minnesota because of its exceptional distance to WPG), the main determinant into the demand of wanting to see that team for Winnipeg fans is the quality/excitement/brand of the team. Look at this thread, people are stoked for Detroit & Chicago, but no excitement for Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, & St. Louis. The reverse is true. Ask fans of the Midwest US teams, they want to be with each other because there's rivalries, history, tradition, & a similar culture. A lot in common. I'd be surprised if STL, NSH, CLB, CHI, DET would want a division with Winnipeg. Completely different region & culture to them. Little in common. But I know who would want the Jets in their division - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton.
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Post by LTZ on Nov 1, 2011 8:55:49 GMT -6
I know there are plenty who think like this but I don't get it. Geographically it makes no sense. Further to that I don't see the need to only have rivalries with Canadian teams. Time for some new rivalries...and to let go of a little bit of the past maybe? A division with Chicago, Detroit, Minny would be great IMO. A rivalry with Minny makes most sense as they are the closest team to us. Geographically, it would make best sense if Winnipeg was in a division with Calgary/Edmonton as opposed to Chicago/St.Louis/etc. because Minneapolis is the only NHL city closer to Winnipeg than Calgary & Edmonton. Everyone else is further in drive & distance. After geography, the next dimension is the demand of the fans. Winnipeg fans, in general (not all - there is no right or wrong), want games against Calgary, Edmonton, & Vancouver. Not much interest in seeing St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, & Columbus. Why? Because Winnipeg has more in common AND more history with Calgary/Edmonton/Vancouver that the quality of those teams is near irrelevant (look how much of a mess Calgary is and will be). With US Midwest teams (excluding Minnesota because of its exceptional distance to WPG), the main determinant into the demand of wanting to see that team for Winnipeg fans is the quality/excitement/brand of the team. Look at this thread, people are stoked for Detroit & Chicago, but no excitement for Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, & St. Louis. The reverse is true. Ask fans of the Midwest US teams, they want to be with each other because there's rivalries, history, tradition, & a similar culture. A lot in common. I'd be surprised if STL, NSH, CLB, CHI, DET would want a division with Winnipeg. Completely different region & culture to them. Little in common. But I know who would want the Jets in their division - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton. Chicago is as close as both Calgary and Edmonton. Given the current location of teams if a 4 division model were implemented, Winnipeg still doesn't make sense in a Western division. As someone said in a previous post. New rivalries will come as a result of playoff series. Colorado - Detroit?? We're not going to agree on this I don't think. I'm looking forward to developing new rivalries, not HAVING to play with Calgary, Edmonton and VCR because of past history. Bring on Columbus!
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Post by frozenpondblue531 on Nov 1, 2011 11:50:25 GMT -6
Geographically, it would make best sense if Winnipeg was in a division with Calgary/Edmonton as opposed to Chicago/St.Louis/etc. because Minneapolis is the only NHL city closer to Winnipeg than Calgary & Edmonton. Everyone else is further in drive & distance. After geography, the next dimension is the demand of the fans. Winnipeg fans, in general (not all - there is no right or wrong), want games against Calgary, Edmonton, & Vancouver. Not much interest in seeing St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, & Columbus. Why? Because Winnipeg has more in common AND more history with Calgary/Edmonton/Vancouver that the quality of those teams is near irrelevant (look how much of a mess Calgary is and will be). With US Midwest teams (excluding Minnesota because of its exceptional distance to WPG), the main determinant into the demand of wanting to see that team for Winnipeg fans is the quality/excitement/brand of the team. Look at this thread, people are stoked for Detroit & Chicago, but no excitement for Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, & St. Louis. The reverse is true. Ask fans of the Midwest US teams, they want to be with each other because there's rivalries, history, tradition, & a similar culture. A lot in common. I'd be surprised if STL, NSH, CLB, CHI, DET would want a division with Winnipeg. Completely different region & culture to them. Little in common. But I know who would want the Jets in their division - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton. Chicago is as close as both Calgary and Edmonton. Given the current location of teams if a 4 division model were implemented, Winnipeg still doesn't make sense in a Western division. As someone said in a previous post. New rivalries will come as a result of playoff series. Colorado - Detroit?? We're not going to agree on this I don't think. I'm looking forward to developing new rivalries, not HAVING to play with Calgary, Edmonton and VCR because of past history. Bring on Columbus! There's no right or wrong answer. And Winnipeg can build memorable rivalries through Playoffs. However, those rivalries typically won't last long term IMO. The Detroit/Colorado rivalry is a thing of the past now with no relevance/significance today. That will be the Vancouver/Chicago rivalry in 5 years. Driving distances: Calgary - 1328 km Edmonton - 1352 km Chicago - 1392 km Chicago is further than EDM/CAL but only by a trivial amount of distance, which would result in just 1 hour of additional driving. And you could argue the common time zone with Chicago more than makes up for the extra 40 & 65 km. Winnipeg, and even moreso Dallas, signify the NHL's 2 "islands" for geographical footprint, and could fit in more than 1 division. I just think - if you look at the wants of Hockey fans in applicable cities - VAN/CAL/EDM/WPG should be a long term solution and divisional kinship with each other. All 4 fan bases will always be stoked about playing each of the other 3. That's a perfect 9-for-9 in easy draws for each team. NSH/STL/CHI/CLB are more excited when each other's teams come to town, 100% due to existing rivalries, regional geography, and common culture. Chicago is a guarantee sellout regardless of the opponent, but Winnipeg would be a tough draw all 3 times a year in St. Louis', Nashville's, Dallas', & Columbus' bad years. It's just not efficient for marketing to the fans, eliciting their interest, attendance/tv ratings, and the benefits which come along with attendance & tv ratings.
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kj79
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Post by kj79 on Nov 1, 2011 16:36:57 GMT -6
they can always have a cross-over format, where the 5th place team in a division has a better point tally than the 4th place in the other division they take their spot.
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mrconfusion87
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Nov 5, 2011 10:33:11 GMT -6
As long as Winnipeg and Minnesota are in the same division, I couldn't care less where they end up. So would I! I've been campaigning for that in hockey boards for a long time now!
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mrconfusion87
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Nov 5, 2011 10:39:49 GMT -6
If they do that, I wonder if they'll try an expansion in a few years when the economy gets better? No way man!
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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Nov 5, 2011 21:02:22 GMT -6
I personally wouldn't like an expansion. It would reduce the league caliber even more. I watch the QMJHL since 5 years and I see a considerable increase in caliber since the Lewiston MAINEiacs folded last year (went from 18 teams to 17). Now imagine if the NHL increases from 30 teams to 32...
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mrconfusion87
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Nov 12, 2011 11:16:29 GMT -6
I know there are plenty who think like this but I don't get it. Geographically it makes no sense. Further to that I don't see the need to only have rivalries with Canadian teams. Time for some new rivalries...and to let go of a little bit of the past maybe? A division with Chicago, Detroit, Minny would be great IMO. A rivalry with Minny makes most sense as they are the closest team to us. Geographically, it would make best sense if Winnipeg was in a division with Calgary/Edmonton as opposed to Chicago/St.Louis/etc. because Minneapolis is the only NHL city closer to Winnipeg than Calgary & Edmonton. Everyone else is further in drive & distance. After geography, the next dimension is the demand of the fans. Winnipeg fans, in general (not all - there is no right or wrong), want games against Calgary, Edmonton, & Vancouver. Not much interest in seeing St. Louis, Dallas, Nashville, & Columbus. Why? Because Winnipeg has more in common AND more history with Calgary/Edmonton/Vancouver that the quality of those teams is near irrelevant (look how much of a mess Calgary is and will be). With US Midwest teams (excluding Minnesota because of its exceptional distance to WPG), the main determinant into the demand of wanting to see that team for Winnipeg fans is the quality/excitement/brand of the team. Look at this thread, people are stoked for Detroit & Chicago, but no excitement for Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, & St. Louis. The reverse is true. Ask fans of the Midwest US teams, they want to be with each other because there's rivalries, history, tradition, & a similar culture. A lot in common. I'd be surprised if STL, NSH, CLB, CHI, DET would want a division with Winnipeg. Completely different region & culture to them. Little in common. But I know who would want the Jets in their division - Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton. And don't forget a sizable portion of the Minnesota fan base, plus their owner Craig Leipold!
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