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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 6, 2012 0:37:45 GMT -6
They NEED a better on ice product. I don't think they are as compairable to the Coyotes as they are to the Blackhawks. Look at what happened when Rocky Wirtz took over the team from his dad. Better attendance, better on ice product better fan reception. Hell when his dad owned the team he wouldn't let games be aired unless the building was sold out, he cared about nothing but money. Rocky relaized than fans deserved respect and something worth watching and attendance reflected that. The Islanders need an owner who cares about the fans and winning instead of just money and they will bounce back. History shows they can be financially successful with a good team so hopefully Wang does something for the fans or sells the team to someone who will.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 6, 2012 0:54:46 GMT -6
The Islanders should just move there when their lease at Nassau Coliseum ends. I would hate to see them leave, I have friends of family that live on Long Island who would be very sad if that happened. Plus I like playing them 6 times a year because I pretty much know we'll win 4 or 5. If they move to Barclays Center I would definitely see the Devils play there at least once a year. I want to see them at the Coliseum too though. Why would the Devils play a home game there? He meant that he would see the Devils play there when they play a ROAD game vs. the Islanders.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 6, 2012 0:57:13 GMT -6
Oh didnt actually realize it was Douggy the Devils fan lol. My bad.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 6, 2012 1:29:14 GMT -6
They NEED a better on ice product. I don't think they are as compairable to the Coyotes as they are to the Blackhawks. Look at what happened when Rocky Wirtz took over the team from his dad. Better attendance, better on ice product better fan reception. Hell when his dad owned the team he wouldn't let games be aired unless the building was sold out, he cared about nothing but money. Rocky relaized than fans deserved respect and something worth watching and attendance reflected that. The Islanders need an owner who cares about the fans and winning instead of just money and they will bounce back. History shows they can be financially successful with a good team so hopefully Wang does something for the fans or sells the team to someone who will. +1 The Islanders may be a cross between a Chicago situation and Phoenix situation. The point I was trying to make are the Islanders currently produce Coyote type revenue. In the leaked gate data they finished below Phoenix in 2010-11. The Blackhawks is a decent comparison but there are a few differences. The Blackhawks problem was completely an owner problem. Bill Wirtz may have been the worst owner of all time. (I'm a Blackhawks fan and went years without following hockey at all because of him. I started following again when his son took over) The Islanders problems go 4 fold. 1. They are the 3rd team in the 4th most popular sport in their city. The NHL is the only major sport with 3 teams in one city 2. They play in the worst arena in the NHL 3. They play in suburbia. Almost every NHL team plays downtown near the population/corporations other than Ottawa, Phoenix, Florida and Carolina. Ottawa only works because Canada=hockeyland 4. The owner. Wang would be an awful owner with any type of set up but even if he was a good owner it would be tough to overcome all these things. No way could anybody make a go of it at the Coliseum. The revenues just are not there to get good players and the other problem is when he has tried to sign free agents in the past they turned him down because of the Coliseum. I could see them possible doing better as you say if they moved to Brooklyn. They would never be a top 10 team like the Blackhawks because of having 3 teams in the area and playing in a horseshoe but they could improve to the point to be in the 15-20 range in revenue if things went right and they sold out the 104 luxury boxes and 14,500 seats. Far away from Coyote land. Still it's hard to know what would happen if the Islanders won and had a decent arena. How much of their problems are ownership? How much are the arena? Is 3 teams in one area just too much no matter no what? We don't know for sure. Only way to find out is move to Barclays and get a semi-decent team and see what happens. One thing I wouldn't do is build them a new arena. Too risky. If Barclays doesn't work they deserve to die.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 15, 2012 23:18:01 GMT -6
Gallof: While Nassau Postures, Islanders Positioning For Real Run At Brooklyn Though The County Is Doing All The Talk, Barclays Is Building Up Momentum According to what has been floating out of the office of Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano lately, some sort of decision on the Hub’s venue future is going to come from the Islanders “soon.” That is, if you believe what has been revealed by Deputy Executive Robert Walker. The problem is only Nassau County is talking right now, and it seems like it’s only the lawmakers and the prospective developers trying to get an advantage. Remember, the county power brokers are the ones who have felt that the Islanders are going to Brooklyn. They have said so for quite some time, which seems to coincide with them beginning their own procedure on an RFQ and courting new developers for the area. The RFQ attempt did not exactly impress the Islanders or those close to the situation, with many believing it was more about saving face. Whether developers are serious or not on sharing revenue and making plans that include the Islanders is not the issue here. What is beginning to develop is pieces of an end game. This seemed to be further solidified by Charles Wang after he was reportedly hanging out over at the Barclays Center to see its ice rink set-up testing. According to an NHL source, Wang will use the new developer aspects in Nassau to put more pressure on Barclays for a good deal. As I put forth on Twitter as a tidbit a bit back, two home team dressing rooms have been constructed in the facility. In addition, per the same source, the seating situation could be readily modified if a long-term tenant is in place. In fact, if you want a real date to explain the meaning of “soon,” expect something to finally lock into place with the Islanders by the summer of 2014. This would position the team to reap the buzz of going to Brooklyn like the Nets received. That time frame would also give the Islanders a year to push for new fans and season ticket holders. Why so long from now? Well, ask yourselves: why would the Islanders announce anything that would hurt current ticket sales before then? And, by the way, any deal in Brooklyn would NOT be short term. Not a chance. Brooklyn is not a way station here. The borough wants a long-term tenant and any offers will be as such. So now it’s all on Barclays to ante up. Meanwhile, we will hear more on Nassau pushing out an effort to make something happen out of nothing. As a Nassau resident, I would certainly appreciate some realistic option to be pulled from the ether. But, realistically, as per sources close to the Islanders situation have stated to me, “It’s a bunch of nonsense.” So as we all listen and read about the latest iterations of the county grabbing a law firm, take it all with many grains of salt. It will take shovels in the ground and some real miracles to get any substantial traction if Nassau is to be a real option, and not just a bunch of supposed intention. Intention is what got us here in the first place. What we have not seen here is any substantial plans. Meanwhile, Wang has visited the Barclays, which is looking for a tenant. Arena head Bruce Ratner and the Isles are in communication. These are the real things, not the Nassau-written hot fiction newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/09/12/gallof-while-nassau-postures-islanders-positioning-for-real-run-at-brooklyn/
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Post by Jetsfan47 on Sept 16, 2012 1:12:18 GMT -6
The Brooklyn would be a great move for the Islanders major upgrade for the team and Die Hard Islander fans can still see their team play cause their not moving too far away, but move the Coyotes first to Quebec City
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2012 1:41:46 GMT -6
Yeah, sure. Move 'em to Brooklyn. Who cares.
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Post by brosnan on Sept 19, 2012 15:39:28 GMT -6
Not a team with future...
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Post by JayR on Oct 24, 2012 9:18:28 GMT -6
Officially announced today - they are moving to Brooklyn for the 2015 season. One less team that can possibly move to QC now.
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Post by ediger on Oct 24, 2012 9:22:35 GMT -6
Officially announced today - they are moving to Brooklyn for the 2015 season. One less team that can possibly move to QC now. The Jets will no longer have the smallest arena in the league. Sounds like the arena in Brooklyn seats about 14,500 for hockey. Pretty much ideal for the Islanders as of late.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 24, 2012 9:34:26 GMT -6
This is really official? Any links? I'm not surprised it happened, but surprised it happened so quickly. I hadn't really heard any talk of this in mainstream media. Although I guess it's really not that big a story on it's own...
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Post by Lions67 on Oct 24, 2012 10:00:10 GMT -6
good for the Islanders. never wanted them to move. Brooklyn is perfect for them.
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Post by Guardian on Oct 24, 2012 10:25:46 GMT -6
This is really official? Any links? I'm not surprised it happened, but surprised it happened so quickly. I hadn't really heard any talk of this in mainstream media. Although I guess it's really not that big a story on it's own... Press conference at 1pm ET today according to TSN.
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Post by wolf357 on Oct 24, 2012 11:36:38 GMT -6
Accordint to Hockey Central @ Noon playing in the new Brookyln would be on par with the Coyotees moving to the America West Arena. It was new, state of the art but simply wasnt designed for hockey and didnt work. The new Barclays arena is purely designed for Basketball. Yes you could pump some more money into it to try and make it more hockey oriantated but you still have a hockey team playing in a basketball arena. There could be signifact line of sight issues. IMO this is simply a ploy for Nassau to give Wang his new arena. Plus the Islanders have only agreed to play one year in Barclays so there is a good out for Wang after.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2012 11:46:05 GMT -6
Accordint to Hockey Central @ Noon playing in the new Brookyln would be on par with the Coyotees moving to the America West Arena. It was new, state of the art but simply wasnt designed for hockey and didnt work. The new Barclays arena is purely designed for Basketball. Yes you could pump some more money into it to try and make it more hockey oriantated but you still have a hockey team playing in a basketball arena. There could be signifact line of sight issues. IMO this is simply a ploy for Nassau to give Wang his new arena. Plus the Islanders have only agreed to play one year in Barclays so there is a good out for Wang after. Watch the News COnference. He signed a 25yr lease. Its a DONE DEAL!!
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