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Post by mikecubs on Apr 17, 2012 22:26:37 GMT -6
I honestly couldn't care less if Canada got 3 more NBA teams. I can't stand the league. There is zero parity in the league and u can pretty much predict who's going to be in the semifinals before every season. I was happy the Mavericks won though as it was only the 9th different champion since the 1979-1980 season. 9 different champions in 31 years... Yay. The Raptors along with many other teams will never be NBA Champs so what's the point? The usual suspects will always be at the top. Yeah for a few there will be lean years of rebuilding but there will still be 4-6 core teams always at the top. The one hope is OKC to flip everything You make a good point on OKC. Your forgot San Antonio too. They are a small market and won 4 titles. I agree with a lot of what you say. NBA has the least amount of parity championship wise. Part of the problem is like I said players wanting to play for only big market teams but another problem is that basketball is not that physical of sport so if you get 2 star players and a few role players you can win over and over endlessly because you don't have the crushing injuries like in football, or pitcher injuries in baseball. Look the the 90's Chicago bulls. The team was home grown but they were able to keep winning because Jordan and Pippen stayed healthy. Same thing with the 80's Celtics or the 2000's San Antonio Spurs. Championships always come in bunches in the NBA even if the team is not bought. I guess we have to see how much teeth the new CBA has. If it makes it much harder for star players to move it's worth a shot going for the NBA. The waiting list is what 700 years for Canuck tickets and 2000 years for Canadian tickets?? or something like that. It would be something to do for non season ticket holders. As far as the Raptors and not winning you can't blame it all on black free agents not staying. The Raptors have been horribly missrun the entire franchise history. Look at the team draft history. So even if the NBA had a fair system the entire time it wouldn't have helped the Raptors much.
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Post by Dcmac on Apr 17, 2012 22:56:42 GMT -6
Although Vancouver is growing, the majority of that growth is coming from immigration. Many of these immigrants are latching on to the Canucks, as it's an easy way to make friends and get involved in the city. There isn't really a better way to become a true Canadian than to become a die hard hockey fan. With soccer being the "world's sport", I'd imagine that a lot of the Whitcaps success will be helped by the immirgation as well. On the other hand, basketball is typically considered an American sport, and might have some difficulty finding a foothold among "new Canadians." That being said, Vancouver is significantly larger and richer than it was 10 years ago and although I don't see it being a smashing success, I think an NBA franchise could survive quite well in Vancouver. I wouldn't consider Toronto much of a basketball town, and yet the Raptors are one of the most profitable teams in the league, no matter how miserable they are on the court. Basketball is becoming pretty popular in places other than Canada and the US. Lots of players coming from European countries now and it's similar to soccer in that it's really inexpensive to join and play. The Grizzlies were an absolute joke and it's no surprise that they left after terrible management and a lackluster team bored fans out of their minds. I'd like to see Vancouver get another shot.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 17, 2012 23:09:32 GMT -6
I really like basketball and I like the Raptors, I tried to like Vancouver but as a franchise they did everything wrong from drafting(Big County and Francis) and never being able to keep good players there, to not promoting of the city to the players, always losing and showing no signs of improvement so the fans stayed away, and they moved. There's no parody in the league always the same teams and players in the final like jval07 posted, also the egos of some of the players terrible (LeBron Wade Bosh) so its really hard to watch, I can't stand the Lakers, Heat and their players and seem to be the only teams worth talking about. The small market teams really suffer to keep players and they lose out, they need more players like Durrant form OKC who want to stay in a small market and re-sign with them. But as for Vancouver to return, they would need a proper management team in place and run the team like they do in Toronto, and I would rather be in Vancouver than Toronto any day, so I can see it working but I wouldn't hold my breath on Vancouver getting a team again. I like the NBA and I'm a casual fan but put it 4th on my list of sports. I don't watch regular season and only watch highlights on ESPN. The league isn't as good as the 1980's-1990's but its not nearly as bad as it was during the early 2000's when it was completely ghetto. At that point I didn't follow it at all but the influx of foreigners and guys like Durant and Derrick Rose made it more interesting. Enough for me to follow casually. Your complete right about Vancouver being misrun the 1st time around. Stu Jackson was probably the 2nd worst GM in NBA history behind Isiah Thomas when he was with the New York Knicks. However the biggest problem was the city wasn't big enough yet at the time. It was crazy to try the NBA-NHL with 1.7-1.9 million people. It never had a chance even if they would have had proper management. The one thing you don't want is management like the Raptors The Raptors do well financially because Toronto has 8.7 million people. Not because of competent management. Player attitudes are still a problem but if the new CBA forces players to stay with small markets so what? Tough luck. But that's the biggest key, will the new CBA do enough to help a small market keep a star player? Time will tell. If the new CBA has enough teeth in it I say Vancouver should go for it at some point. I think at some point(it may not be now) the NBA is going to give Vancouver another try. There's just too many signs. They have a building, the Canucks owner meet with the NBA a few years ago, the US being almost out of markets, the large Asian population in Vancouver with a ton of $$$. As far as Montreal that's just my pipe dream. I don't ever see that happening unfortunately. But it definately could if Montreal ever showed the interest and wanted it to happen.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 17, 2012 23:39:27 GMT -6
Although Vancouver is growing, the majority of that growth is coming from immigration. Many of these immigrants are latching on to the Canucks, as it's an easy way to make friends and get involved in the city. There isn't really a better way to become a true Canadian than to become a die hard hockey fan. With soccer being the "world's sport", I'd imagine that a lot of the Whitcaps success will be helped by the immirgation as well. On the other hand, basketball is typically considered an American sport, and might have some difficulty finding a foothold among "new Canadians." That being said, Vancouver is significantly larger and richer than it was 10 years ago and although I don't see it being a smashing success, I think an NBA franchise could survive quite well in Vancouver. I wouldn't consider Toronto much of a basketball town, and yet the Raptors are one of the most profitable teams in the league, no matter how miserable they are on the court. Basketball is becoming pretty popular in places other than Canada and the US. Lots of players coming from European countries now and it's similar to soccer in that it's really inexpensive to join and play. The Grizzlies were an absolute joke and it's no surprise that they left after terrible management and a lackluster team bored fans out of their minds. I'd like to see Vancouver get another shot. Biggest key is the explosion of basketballs popularity in Asia for Vancouver since Vancouver is such a high % Asian. 300 million people are playing basketball in China and that number is growing! www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_1008102489 percent of Chinese people aged 15 to 54 are aware of the NBA, according to findings in a 2008 survey conducted by leading global market researcher TNS. China is the NBA's largest international market and has grown at an annual pace of 30 to 40 percent in recent years www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2009-05/18/content_7786782.htmI think Vancouver may have to grow by another 200,000 to 400,000 to make it realistic but I hope it happens some day.
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Post by Snoopy on Apr 19, 2012 19:07:18 GMT -6
I would love too see this happen agan
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2012 22:45:10 GMT -6
I live in Vancouver and I gotta say there ain't much of a push to get an NBA team here again. The Canucks organization wouldn't be overly happy about the NBA's return.
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Post by Sam on Apr 27, 2012 3:49:07 GMT -6
Basketball is becoming pretty popular in places other than Canada and the US. Lots of players coming from European countries now and it's similar to soccer in that it's really inexpensive to join and play. The Grizzlies were an absolute joke and it's no surprise that they left after terrible management and a lackluster team bored fans out of their minds. I'd like to see Vancouver get another shot. You're right about the European influx of players etc. I follow British Basketball, or more importantly, British basketball players making it in the big leagues, and they're definitely increasing. It's the biggest increase of all the 'American' sports over here, easy & not expensive to play with increasing scouting over here due to a higher number of Brits in the Euro leagues and the USA/Canadian Colleges/Unis. And if the increase is this significant in Britain, which is prolly the worst league of all the Euro leagues, then it's definitely better in the other countries. Basically, tying this into how this would help the Grizzlies lol.. well it wouldn't directly, but it helps league-wide with better competition etc, which would then indirectly help the potential return of the Grizzlies. What I'm trying to say is.. give it another shot. You don't NEED to pay the big bucks to get the best players. Scout.
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