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Post by bigcanadiano on May 13, 2012 21:02:16 GMT -6
Kane has unlimited potential. He will be a scary power forward in the NHL, the kind you build franchises around. I say keep him, Kane can easily be our future franchise player / captain. Trade him now? No blanking way. If we are serious about winning, Bogo / Kane are off limits. And Staal? 4 Kaner. As if. Look at the way Kane will play in the future, we won't need Staal. I still say Scheif is the answer.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2012 3:13:23 GMT -6
Me either. They would have to give up Price, Subban or a package including their first pick to land Kane. That is a hefty price to pay. I think Price is overrated. I am content with Pavs. Hypothetically, I would trade Kane for Pacioretty and a 2nd Round pick.
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Post by gforce on May 14, 2012 6:52:06 GMT -6
I dont see Kane going anywhere unless he wants to go.
They (Jets) should be looking at getting Kane some support to create a true first line.
Just watching the Worlds shows what he's capable of when playing with equal talent.
No disrespect to the guys he plays with now, but we have never had a top NHL first line, just 2 second lines IMO.
I would like to see a trade to move up in the draft, but that will likely not happen.
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Post by roublerouser on May 14, 2012 7:24:09 GMT -6
Ok biff. I think you need to use the "recall this post" regarding Price. He and Ward are easily the two best goalies in canada today. And to put Pavelec in the same breath is literally insane. Now don't get me wrong, I love Pav, a lot. But regardless how you fell, IMO I don't think there's a way Habs let him go. With Kane and Pav in the conversation or not. You just don't trade your corner stone. I think Max and their first rounder is intreging but we need size and skill in the middle and this doesn't fill that. Staal, I think, does but not even for Kaner. They'd need to throw something else in. The 1 and done trade is to risky for this organization. P.S. I too question Eklund's skills and contacts, which IMHO, are equal to Lawle$$.
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Post by Tim on May 14, 2012 10:31:50 GMT -6
Here’s the question does Kane want to be here? If Kane has passed on this information to the team you have to ask the question, do you shop him around to other teams that he wants to play for and make the best trade possible, do you wait for arbitration and see what kind of compensation you get, or do you try like hell to make him want to stay here. I don’t know if any of this is true, but if he does not want to be here then you trade him and move on.
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Post by Grumpz on May 14, 2012 10:58:58 GMT -6
HereÂ’s the question does Kane want to be here? If Kane has passed on this information to the team you have to ask the question, do you shop him around to other teams that he wants to play for and make the best trade possible, do you wait for arbitration and see what kind of compensation you get, or do you try like hell to make him want to stay here. I donÂ’t know if any of this is true, but if he does not want to be here then you trade him and move on. There's no way Kane should be shopped...only brings down his value. If teams want to come crawling with offered, then that's a different story!
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Post by ministerofdefense on May 14, 2012 13:55:51 GMT -6
Kane has unlimited potential. He will be a scary power forward in the NHL, the kind you build franchises around. I say keep him, Kane can easily be our future franchise player / captain. Trade him now? No blanking way. If we are serious about winning, Bogo / Kane are off limits. And Staal? 4 Kaner. As if. Look at the way Kane will play in the future, we won't need Staal. I still say Scheif is the answer. couldn't disagree more except about bogo Kane will cap out at 35 goals will continue to be one dimensional and will suffer injuries from trying to run up the boards all the time He will always be a head case and won't last much longer here in Winnipeg He will never be a captain anywhere Scheif is not going to be the player he is projected I think mahachek will be our captain and first line center on the future and Ivan telegin will be better than Kane and shelf combined
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Post by jval07 on May 14, 2012 15:45:22 GMT -6
You don't make a trade involving Kane for another goalie (Price). I love Kane, have his jersey and would hate to see him go. And though I question why we'd even think about trading a very young 30 goal scorer, if we get a ton in return then I agree with others and say pull the trigger. However getting a goalie does not maximize the trade for us. We already have a good young goalie who can log a ton of minutes. Goaltending is not a hole we need filled. If we trade Kane we better be getting a talented forward, solid defenseman and a high draft pick. Do not settle for draft picks alone. We're too close to being a playoff team to chuck away a 30 goal scorer for picks.
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Post by jetsv2 on May 14, 2012 16:00:00 GMT -6
You don't make a trade involving Kane for another goalie (Price). I love Kane, have his jersey and would hate to see him go. And though I question why we'd even think about trading a very young 30 goal scorer, if we get a ton in return then I agree with others and say pull the trigger. However getting a goalie does not maximize the trade for us. We already have a good young goalie who can log a ton of minutes. Goaltending is not a hole we need filled. If we trade Kane we better be getting a talented forward, solid defenseman and a high draft pick. Do not settle for draft picks alone. We're too close to being a playoff team to chuck away a 30 goal scorer for picks. We finished 4th in arguably the worst division in the NHL, and after this next season we will be moving into the west and into a division that is one of the best in the leauge, along with a playoff format that involves finishing in the top 4 of your division to make the playoffs. Our divison will include Detroit, Nashville, St Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Minnesota and Columus.The Jets would have finished 6th in that division last year and would have been 17 points behind a playoff spot in the divison. We are still quite far away from being a cup contender or even a team that makes the playoffs every year, and our best hope that we make the playoffs at all in the next 5 years is that the BOG decides not to go ahead with thier divisional playoff format. Im not saying we need to trade Kane or anyone else, but to reject a deal because we almost made the playoffs this year is just crazy.
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Post by jval07 on May 14, 2012 16:53:49 GMT -6
You don't make a trade involving Kane for another goalie (Price). I love Kane, have his jersey and would hate to see him go. And though I question why we'd even think about trading a very young 30 goal scorer, if we get a ton in return then I agree with others and say pull the trigger. However getting a goalie does not maximize the trade for us. We already have a good young goalie who can log a ton of minutes. Goaltending is not a hole we need filled. If we trade Kane we better be getting a talented forward, solid defenseman and a high draft pick. Do not settle for draft picks alone. We're too close to being a playoff team to chuck away a 30 goal scorer for picks. We finished 4th in arguably the worst division in the NHL, and after this next season we will be moving into the west and into a division that is one of the best in the leauge, along with a playoff format that involves finishing in the top 4 of your division to make the playoffs. Our divison will include Detroit, Nashville, St Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Minnesota and Columus.The Jets would have finished 6th in that division last year and would have been 17 points behind a playoff spot in the divison. We are still quite far away from being a cup contender or even a team that makes the playoffs every year, and our best hope that we make the playoffs at all in the next 5 years is that the BOG decides not to go ahead with thier divisional playoff format. Im not saying we need to trade Kane or anyone else, but to reject a deal because we almost made the playoffs this year is just crazy. I didn't say reject a trade entirely. I said reject a trade for Kane if included bringing in another goalie (what good does having Pavelec if we resign him plus another #1???) Or if the trade was for draft picks entirely. I'm saying if we trade him get pieces that help us now as well as a draft pick.
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Post by jetsv2 on May 14, 2012 18:40:47 GMT -6
We finished 4th in arguably the worst division in the NHL, and after this next season we will be moving into the west and into a division that is one of the best in the leauge, along with a playoff format that involves finishing in the top 4 of your division to make the playoffs. Our divison will include Detroit, Nashville, St Louis, Chicago, Dallas, Minnesota and Columus.The Jets would have finished 6th in that division last year and would have been 17 points behind a playoff spot in the divison. We are still quite far away from being a cup contender or even a team that makes the playoffs every year, and our best hope that we make the playoffs at all in the next 5 years is that the BOG decides not to go ahead with thier divisional playoff format. Im not saying we need to trade Kane or anyone else, but to reject a deal because we almost made the playoffs this year is just crazy. I didn't say reject a trade entirely. I said reject a trade for Kane if included bringing in another goalie (what good does having Pavelec if we resign him plus another #1???) Or if the trade was for draft picks entirely. I'm saying if we trade him get pieces that help us now as well as a draft pick. I have no issue with hodling out for the best deal possible, where my issue lies, is with the mentality that we should be building this team like we are on the verge of being a playoff contender. We are much further away than this year reflects. Like I said after next year we will be playing in a division where we would have missed the playoffs by 17 points this season.
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Post by bigcanadiano on May 14, 2012 19:09:11 GMT -6
Kane has unlimited potential. He will be a scary power forward in the NHL, the kind you build franchises around. I say keep him, Kane can easily be our future franchise player / captain. Trade him now? No blanking way. If we are serious about winning, Bogo / Kane are off limits. And Staal? 4 Kaner. As if. Look at the way Kane will play in the future, we won't need Staal. I still say Scheif is the answer. couldn't disagree more except about bogo Kane will cap out at 35 goals will continue to be one dimensional and will suffer injuries from trying to run up the boards all the time He will always be a head case and won't last much longer here in Winnipeg He will never be a captain anywhere Scheif is not going to be the player he is projected I think mahachek will be our captain and first line center on the future and Ivan telegin will be better than Kane and shelf combined +1 I like how you think, young man. I have no issue with you, but I hope your scrutiny doesn't come to fruition. If anything, I am less skeptical about Kane. Calling him a head case, I have no idea, but I believe you in your argument. I think you're wrong about Scheif. I love mahachek, but Cpt? Sure I guess. I too believe Telegin will be a force, but I'd be looking forward to having Kane/Telegin together on this team. Think of it this way. . . would you outright reject Kane if he plays consistently, reaches the 30 goal plateau in consecutive 4 to 5 seasons. I think that is reasonable to assume. I would reckon that speaks to my original points of view. I never called him a 50 goal man. If Kane matures the way I think he can (and I do think he will.) This leads me to believe he can bring out the best in his team mates. That's where I was coming from with the ctp reference. I like the passion he plays with. As for my reference on Staal, I think he's good, but I rather sign Parise if I had to take a cap hit on a bonafide #1 center. Considering your argument, I'm sure you'd probably jump at the chance to grab Staal, that is, (again. . . going by your argument) you feel that strongly about kane.
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Post by LT on May 15, 2012 10:37:15 GMT -6
I'm torn on Kane because he has talent. I've been told by a few really good sources that Kane is a cancer. Management has a certain philosophy about the types of players they want and Kane doesn't fit the bill. I've also heard stories of him being a real jerk out on the town and that his concussion came from Wheeler knocking him out at a bar. I always like to believe the best in people but it's sounding like if they can get par value, there's a good chance Kane will be gone.
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Post by Tim on May 15, 2012 10:56:37 GMT -6
Love a player hate a player as long as you get good value in a trade nobody is untouchable. I still remember cursing when we trade Willy Lindstrom for this bum named Laurie Boschman, man was I wrong.
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Post by gobombersgo on May 15, 2012 12:07:45 GMT -6
I'm torn on Kane because he has talent. I've been told by a few really good sources that Kane is a cancer. Management has a certain philosophy about the types of players they want and Kane doesn't fit the bill. I've also heard stories of him being a real jerk out on the town and that his concussion came from Wheeler knocking him out at a bar. I always like to believe the best in people but it's sounding like if they can get par value, there's a good chance Kane will be gone. WOW, sure spewed out a lot crap in a few sentences! Good sources...... Who are they? Now Wheeler was the one the punched Kane out!!!! There is ablsolutely nothing to back any of this up!
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