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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 29, 2014 21:09:48 GMT -6
I think Montreal will eventually get another team. Crap just needs to really hit the fan in Tampa or Oakland so they build a downtown stadium in Montreal. Defiantly could work a team has been successful there in the past.
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 30, 2014 0:37:43 GMT -6
I dont see the raiders staying in oakland but the A's may be in good shape to stay if the raiders leave and vice versa its one or the other for oakland. I cant see them moving the A's east to montreal, montreal is better as a relocation threat for an eastern team like the rays to put the screws in on florida politicians. People whjo watch rays baseball are yanks and sox fans watching for the local coverage, they will still watch mlb and probably buy better tv packages to get the game. how can he say they dont have any teams that want to move...the A's are pretty clear on that and need to sue the mlb to get to san jose. Selig is such a chicken for not standing up to san fran. The raiders? out. I really think they are gone. Davis has had enough. Now rumors of Oregon looking to get the team and LA is always a distinct possibility. I don't know if the Raiders leaving would hurt or help. Short term it would help because the A's could do a lease extension at the Coliseum and not having a new football stadium would leave more room for development to pay for a baseball stadium but at the same time if the Raiders leave it probably means the whole Coliseum City thing was fake and the middle east investors were fake. MLB is definitely going to use this weekend series to put the screws to Tampa area politicians. They will say to the St. Pete mayor you better let the Rays out of their lease to go to Tampa right now or else we might move the rays to Montreal when it expires in 14 years. And they will say to Tampa build a new stadium or else. MLB and the US networks are going to want a team in Tampa the 14th biggest TV market in the US IF possible(new stadium). I know there's lots of Yankee/Soxs fans in Tampa but still that's not going to cut it. The reason Selig says what he says is the Rays have 14 years left on their lease and the A's want an 8 year extension at the Coliseum. If one of these teams does go Montreal someday it will be at least a decade bear minimum before it happens. Selig isn't going to stand up to San Fran and neither is the next commissioner. Selig is spineless and the next guy will be the same. The commissioners number 1 job other than to extort new stadiums is to protect territory rights. The fact is former A's owner Walter Hass signed them away and the Giants are not going to give up San Jose. The A's have to get a new stadium in Oakland. The Oregon thing is a joke. Oregon is not going to build a billion dollar stadium and the NFL is NOT going to pick Portland or LA.
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 30, 2014 0:47:37 GMT -6
I think Montreal will eventually get another team. crap just needs to really hit the fan in Tampa or Oakland so they build a downtown stadium in Montreal. Defiantly could work a team has been successful there in the past. Crap just did hit the fan!!! Literally. More plumbing problems at A's parkCoaches from the Oakland Athletics were sent scrambling after toilets in the home clubhouse backed up and overflowed before Saturday's exhibition game against the San Francisco Giants. It was the latest in a series of plumbing problems that have plagued the aging stadium, which was built in the late 1960s. There were multiple problems last year alone. In September, A's players reported foul smells from the bathroom end of their dugout. That came after a clogged pipe caused a sewage backup and flooding on the bottom floor of the ballpark in June, sending the Seattle Mariners and A's scrambling around in towels and heading for higher ground in the Oakland Raiders' locker room. Outfielder Josh Reddick tweeted about the latest problems Saturday. Josh Reddick ✔ @joshreddick16 Follow Back in Oakland? Sewage problems in clubhouse!! Yep. We are BACK BABAY! Saturday's game eventually was canceled because of rain. A steady downpour forced a delay of more than an hour, and the grounds crew covered the infield with a silver tarp before officials decided to call off the game, sending home a crowd that was expected to be near 30,000. espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10695166/plumbing-problems-plague-oakland-clubhouse-again
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 30, 2014 0:53:12 GMT -6
Attendance today was 50,221. Yesterday the mayor of Montreal was quoted as saying he knows public money will be needed for a park if the Expos are to return. He was seen talking to MLB officials on the field Friday night. He threw out the 1st pitch and was wearing an Expos jacket. Besides public $$$ and either Oakland or Tampa failing MLB needs to be comfortable PQ will go away for good. They always ruin everything. Maybe as more immigrants filter into Quebec PQ's chances will fade as time passes because most immigrants are against separation.
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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 30, 2014 8:58:19 GMT -6
I think most Quebeccors are against seperation anyways. The cards are starting to fall into place for the Expos return although I'm starting to think it might be the Athletics that move there. Solves two problems at once, what to do with the Athletica and the politics between The Giants and San Jose.
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Post by TheDeuce on Mar 30, 2014 13:33:46 GMT -6
Separatist sentiment is dying a slow but steady death for a number of reasons. Increasing Native influence, immigration, and the aging of the PQ base. The third point is particularly important. The driving forces behind the separatist impulse are fading from living memory. Things like the Manitoba Schools question, conscription in WW I and WW II, the influences of the Quiet Revolution and indeed the memory of the mercurial Jean Lesage (and Monsieur Leveque) are far removed from public consciousness.
The 'second classness' of the French Fact in Canada is a thing of the past as is the separatist school of thought it nurtured.
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 31, 2014 11:17:54 GMT -6
I think most Quebeccors are against seperation anyways. The cards are starting to fall into place for the Expos return although I'm starting to think it might be the Athletics that move there. Solves two problems at once, what to do with the Athletica and the politics between The Giants and San Jose. The problem with the Athletics is that MLB might lose it's antitrust exemption if MLB doesn't let them have San Jose. I do think congress would step in if MLB forced an American team that WOULD be a major market team out of the country in favor of the Giants. I don't think this gets solved soon. Selig promised to solve it by the end of the year but with the way he isn't able to make tough decisions I'm almost certain he will take the easy way out and push the problem off on the next commissioner.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 3, 2014 10:21:04 GMT -6
I think most Quebeccors are against seperation anyways. The cards are starting to fall into place for the Expos return although I'm starting to think it might be the Athletics that move there. Solves two problems at once, what to do with the Athletica and the politics between The Giants and San Jose. The problem with the Athletics is that MLB might lose it's antitrust exemption if MLB doesn't let them have San Jose. I do think congress would step in if MLB forced an American team that WOULD be a major market team out of the country in favor of the Giants. I don't think this gets solved soon. Selig promised to solve it by the end of the year but with the way he isn't able to make tough decisions I'm almost certain he will take the easy way out and push the problem off on the next commissioner. they need to work it out with Oakland. Selig must stand up to giants, have a settlement of some sort before any lawsuit goes through. Leagues need anti trust to keep their houses in order.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 3, 2014 10:23:23 GMT -6
Attendance today was 50,221. Yesterday the mayor of Montreal was quoted as saying he knows public money will be needed for a park if the Expos are to return. He was seen talking to MLB officials on the field Friday night. He threw out the 1st pitch and was wearing an Expos jacket. Besides public $$$ and either Oakland or Tampa failing MLB needs to be comfortable PQ will go away for good. They always ruin everything. Maybe as more immigrants filter into Quebec PQ's chances will fade as time passes because most immigrants are against separation. montreal could easily bang out a 37.5- 40k retro jewel box stadium. MLB needs the threat anyway. Tampa plays in a shanty. But i dont think oakland can be solved going east.
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Post by wolfmannick on Apr 3, 2014 11:30:15 GMT -6
^ If the Athletics do what the Cleveland Browns did when they tecnically relocated to Baltimore it buys everyone time. The Athletics and Raiders can't play in that dump much longer and Montreal and LA, if they build stadiums, are easy fixes. Then if San Jose or Oakland build a new stadium they get a baseball team when one becomes available. Let's the economy recover in the United States and when Tampa goes under they move West.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Apr 3, 2014 14:15:09 GMT -6
Thing is oakland doesnt have a monopoly on the name athletics.
Philadelphia, KC, Oakland...so the name a's stands
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Post by wolfmannick on Apr 3, 2014 14:46:08 GMT -6
^ But I would think a new team in Montreal would go by Expos anyways so there is no reason why they couldn't hold the name for a new team in the area.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 4, 2014 12:39:45 GMT -6
Attendance today was 50,221. Yesterday the mayor of Montreal was quoted as saying he knows public money will be needed for a park if the Expos are to return. He was seen talking to MLB officials on the field Friday night. He threw out the 1st pitch and was wearing an Expos jacket. Besides public $$$ and either Oakland or Tampa failing MLB needs to be comfortable PQ will go away for good. They always ruin everything. Maybe as more immigrants filter into Quebec PQ's chances will fade as time passes because most immigrants are against separation. montreal could easily bang out a 37.5- 40k retro jewel box stadium. MLB needs the threat anyway. Tampa plays in a shanty. But i dont think oakland can be solved going east. Not really. The stadium will seat only 36,000. LOL You'd need massive amounts of standing room or have people sit on other peoples laps to achieve that. Try to be realistic with your projections even if you are pro Montreal. Cromartie's/Quebecs feasibility study had lower 20,000s to 28,500. That would certainly still be viable but a small market especially when you factor in stuff like TV deals and the 90 cent dollar. Remember according to Cromatie the Expos will receive revenue sharing. One of the things I like most about Cromartie and his efforts is they don't use unrealistic figures like a lot of places do when trying to get teams or build new stadiums/arenas for the current team(hello Glendale). This effort is honest and 1st class. Also remember is took until last week to sell out the 2 preseason games after they had an absence for 10 years. It was impressive but that don't mean they are going to draw that season after season for the full 81 games especially during the rebuilds that small markets usually have to do. Oakland can be solved going east if they can't build a new stadium. You can always do realignment.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 4, 2014 12:50:40 GMT -6
^ If the Athletics do what the Cleveland Browns did when they tecnically relocated to Baltimore it buys everyone time. The Athletics and Raiders can't play in that dump much longer and Montreal and LA, if they build stadiums, are easy fixes. Then if San Jose or Oakland build a new stadium they get a baseball team when one becomes available. Let's the economy recover in the United States and when Tampa goes under they move West. This will NEVER happen. If the A's left the Giants would claim the territory and it would be theirs forever. As far as San Jose goes its soon or never. If the A's aren't allowed to build in San Jose in the next few years they will NEVER be allowed to build in San Jose. The San Jose stadium isn't lacking funding(the A's would fund it 100% themselves). It's lacking an OK from the Giants. If something can't be worked out in the next few years and the A's left that means the Giants won and no team will ever be going to San Jose. As far as Oakland goes the problem really isn't the economy. The problem is that even if the economy gets better Oakland is basically San Francisco's ghetto/slum. They don't have the money really to fund stadiums and won't in the future either even if the US economy recovers. It's looking really bad for the Raiders too. The funding gap has grown 100M on their stadium. newballpark.org/2014/04/02/the-growing-black-hole/#commentsReally the only solution for the A's that I see is it's announced they are moving to Montreal/congress steps in and says let the A's move to San Jose or lose your antitrust exemption, MLB then nixes the move and forces the Giants to settle. I don't see MLB forcing a settlement otherwise.
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Post by wolfmannick on Apr 4, 2014 14:54:05 GMT -6
^ You don't sell out baseball though. I've been to numerous Blue Jays games over the years and have never been to anything close to a sellout and I was at the first game Farrell came back with the Red Sox. This made an impression with the MLB when a team comes up for relo, and by the sounds of things its an eyes in two directions situation, Montreal will get first crack at a team.
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