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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Sept 10, 2011 23:06:17 GMT -6
I certainly hope traffic will not become worse with a 18000-20000 seats arena because last night it was rather hellish in the upper part of the city before the Remparts game. My bus that passes by every 9 minutes took half an hour to arrive and they had to stop letting people in for almost the entire ride.. Otherwise don't be surprised if during the first period the arena is half-empty during Nords games sometimes.  |
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Sept 11, 2011 0:10:05 GMT -6
I certainly hope traffic will not become worse with a 18000-20000 seats arena because last night it was rather hellish in the upper part of the city before the Remparts game. My bus that passes by every 9 minutes took half an hour to arrive and they had to stop letting people in for almost the entire ride.. Otherwise don't be surprised if during the first period the arena is half-empty during Nords games sometimes. EEK! Hope the city and team can find a way around it to ensure it doesn't happen! Like starting the games a bit later (like 8 pm) or organizing transport in such a way people can get in on time, etc... :no: One question though, how spread out is Quebec City? I just want to know how the city is setup so I can see how much of the population can possibly walk to the proposed area where the stadium would be... Thanks.... |
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Post by Lions67 on Sept 11, 2011 0:11:46 GMT -6
Otherwise don't be surprised if during the first period the arena is half-empty during Nords games sometimes. oh no you didnt!!!  |
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 11, 2011 13:34:07 GMT -6
I certainly hope traffic will not become worse with a 18000-20000 seats arena because last night it was rather hellish in the upper part of the city before the Remparts game. My bus that passes by every 9 minutes took half an hour to arrive and they had to stop letting people in for almost the entire ride.. Otherwise don't be surprised if during the first period the arena is half-empty during Nords games sometimes. That's why whenever I go to Devils games I usually leave 2-3 hours before the game...and this year I'll be taking the train there. Was the traffic in the city directly because of the Remparts? Is it always like that when the Remparts play? Maybe you guys could make some sort of light rail system? |
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 11, 2011 13:41:54 GMT -6
I would agree with quackbeth to some extent, but to me the Islanders only problem isn't the arena. If that were the ONLY problem, I would agree that I'd want to see the Islanders saved. But old arena or not, this team frequently draws under 10 000 fans to games. In todays NHL, that's embarassing and I realize an outdated arena doesn't help but to me they have crappy fan support so why should those fans deserve a team? The problem isn't lack of fans. Nassau County is just too far away from the population base. Even if voters would have approved the new arena attendance wouldn't be great although it would be better with a new arena. The only solution other than moving to Quebec is to make a deal with Bruce Ratner and move into the Barclays Center ASAP. There is still time to modify the design of the arena. Playing at the Barclays Center will put the Islanders near the main population base near mass transit. If Charlie Wang can't cut a deal soon the Islanders are done. This should have been done a long time ago but Wang is the worst owner in the league. No new arena is getting built for the Islanders anywhere else in NY. They suck and they charge $60 a ticket. They would definitely be drawing much more if they charged about $45 a ticket. That's the difference between them and Phoenix and Atlanta. Phoenix charges a lot less and draws less (Don't cite ESPN Attendance figures because the Coyotes lie about attendance and the Isles don't). Atlanta charges much less too and lies and gives away freebies. I don't think the Islanders give away freebies. |
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 11, 2011 23:44:00 GMT -6
The problem isn't lack of fans. Nassau County is just too far away from the population base. Even if voters would have approved the new arena attendance wouldn't be great although it would be better with a new arena. The only solution other than moving to Quebec is to make a deal with Bruce Ratner and move into the Barclays Center ASAP. There is still time to modify the design of the arena. Playing at the Barclays Center will put the Islanders near the main population base near mass transit. If Charlie Wang can't cut a deal soon the Islanders are done. This should have been done a long time ago but Wang is the worst owner in the league. No new arena is getting built for the Islanders anywhere else in NY. They suck and they charge $60 a ticket. They would definitely be drawing much more if they charged about $45 a ticket. That's the difference between them and Phoenix and Atlanta. Phoenix charges a lot less and draws less (Don't cite ESPN Attendance figures because the Coyotes lie about attendance and the Isles don't). Atlanta charges much less too and lies and gives away freebies. I don't think the Islanders give away freebies. Good points. I agree. However even if they charged 45 bucks a ticket they still wouldn't draw enough. The arena sucks and is poorly located. Any other owner than Charlie Wang would have cut a deal at Barclays by now. If the league was smart(which it definately isn't) they'd step in and tell Wang to do a Barclays deal or else. Whats going to happen is no deal with Barclays will be cut, Wang will try for an arena again in Nassau County, it will fail again, the Coyotes will move to Quebec and he will be stuck for a long time at Nassau Coliseum. |
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 5:34:07 GMT -6
They suck and they charge $60 a ticket. They would definitely be drawing much more if they charged about $45 a ticket. That's the difference between them and Phoenix and Atlanta. Phoenix charges a lot less and draws less (Don't cite ESPN Attendance figures because the Coyotes lie about attendance and the Isles don't). Atlanta charges much less too and lies and gives away freebies. I don't think the Islanders give away freebies. Good points. I agree. However even if they charged 45 bucks a ticket they still wouldn't draw enough. The arena sucks and is poorly located. Any other owner than Charlie Wang would have cut a deal at Barclays by now. If the league was smart(which it definately isn't) they'd step in and tell Wang to do a Barclays deal or else. Whats going to happen is no deal with Barclays will be cut, Wang will try for an arena again in Nassau County, it will fail again, the Coyotes will move to Quebec and he will be stuck for a long time at Nassau Coliseum. Really? Because I think if they charged 45 bucks per ticket they could get 3,000 more fans in their building. |
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 8:29:22 GMT -6
Don't forget if you charge less and draw more you get more revenue because with more fans in the building you get more revenue from food, parking, merch, etc.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 12, 2011 23:33:46 GMT -6
Yes really. That building is horrible. The price isn't the biggest problem. The problem is the building itself and the location. It is too far from the population with no mass transit. Even with 3000 more fans a game the Islanders would be a money loser because the building doesn't have enough luxuary suits or club seats. Thats where the big money comes from in sports. As far as food and merch etc. that would still be a problem because an old crappy building like this won't have the big team stores, concessions and restraunts(some of them 5 star) of a new building so you'd still be losing out big time in that area.
A new arena would have the same poor location, plus how do you pay for it? With the way the economy is no city or state will pay for it. New stadiums and arenas will be few and far between anywhere for a long time. If Wang has to pay for most of it it's too big of a risk especially in that location because if fans don't show up and he has comitted 100's of millions in construction costs he's screwed.
Other than moving the Coyotes to Quebec the next best thing that i would wish for in hockey is moving the Islanders into the Barclays Center and remodeling it so it would seat 15,000 to 16,000 people with no obstructed views. If this happened the Islanders would thrive. If the Islanders had a any other owner than Charlie Wang this would have happened by now. If Bettman was a real comissioner he'd force a move to the Barclays Center. In the NFL Roger Goodall told the Oakland Raiders in a meeting last year that if they don't share a stadium with the 49ers he won't give them any of the new G3 money from the new loan program for new stadiums because he realizes there is no way 2 seperate football stadiums will get financed in the Bay area. My guess is the 49ers and Raiders will come to an agreement in Santa Clara for a new stadium. This is what real comissioners do. They solve problems like this.
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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Sept 13, 2011 0:06:08 GMT -6
I certainly hope traffic will not become worse with a 18000-20000 seats arena because last night it was rather hellish in the upper part of the city before the Remparts game. My bus that passes by every 9 minutes took half an hour to arrive and they had to stop letting people in for almost the entire ride.. Otherwise don't be surprised if during the first period the arena is half-empty during Nords games sometimes. That's why whenever I go to Devils games I usually leave 2-3 hours before the game...and this year I'll be taking the train there. Was the traffic in the city directly because of the Remparts? Is it always like that when the Remparts play? Maybe you guys could make some sort of light rail system? Yeah my issue is that I finished working at 4:45 PM and live in another city south of Quebec. I also had to wait for someone else until 6 PM. So leaving before for the game wasn't possible, but next Friday I will. Also the traffic was not because of the Remparts game I am sure, because it was about 15 minutes away from the arena. Quebec city just has narrow streets in those areas and because of rush hour, it caused buses to be late for the next few hours. The worst gotta be during the Quebec Carnival, though... *remembers that one 1.5 hours long bus ride to Le Colisée that was supposed to last 38 minutes* Oh well, I bet they'll bring back the Nordiques Express for those who don't want to use their car and for me, the traffic and all will not stop me from going to a game when I can. |
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