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Post by phillymike on Feb 7, 2014 16:47:46 GMT -6
You want to roll the dice. Go for it, take the chance industry leaves the province in droves, families as well, we are already a welfare province, it's going to get worst. Let's double down!!
We laugh at Glendale.
We already give on average $8000.00 more a year to our province than an average family of 4 does to our neighbouring province Saskatchewan. There is a breaking point and our provincial government is bending that steel pipe, just a matter of time before it snaps. Guess what? one of the first things to disappear will be our beloved Jets.
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Post by phillymike on Feb 7, 2014 16:48:55 GMT -6
$8000 is a lot of money. To me anyway.
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 7, 2014 17:44:23 GMT -6
What's happening with Hydro? Really you haven't heard about Bipole III or any of the other dam expansion projects to sell power to the States that they don't want or need? Yeah but what's that got to do with the city? That's all Selinger's government.
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Post by USApegger on Feb 7, 2014 19:33:50 GMT -6
Really you haven't heard about Bipole III or any of the other dam expansion projects to sell power to the States that they don't want or need? Yeah but what's that got to do with the city? That's all Selinger's government. You asked what was happening with hydro?? I was shocked that anyone that lives in Winnipeg would not have heard the "plans" So yes, it has nothing to do with the city but this thread was already hijacked anyway
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Post by Ric O. on Feb 7, 2014 19:42:56 GMT -6
Well he was talking about the city's incompetence and then mentioned what they're doing with hydro so that's why I asked. As far as MBHydro's capital projects go...Conawapa, Keeyask, Keewatinoow/Riel, BPIII and the HVDC corridor western route vs. much shorter and perpetually more economical east, distribution network upgrades, yes I'm well aware of all of those.
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Post by phillymike on Feb 8, 2014 21:39:58 GMT -6
Yeah but what's that got to do with the city? That's all Selinger's government. You asked what was happening with hydro?? I was shocked that anyone that lives in Winnipeg would not have heard the "plans" So yes, it has nothing to do with the city but this thread was already hijacked anyway Mentioned in the original post: "Anyone have any other city/province/federal government debacles that is bugging them" so I wouldn't say the thread was hijacked.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 10, 2014 9:02:51 GMT -6
Hydro would be in a better position if the NDP hadnt raided their profits to do an end run around balanced budget laws. Then again, when that wasnt enough they just changed the laws.
The most corrupt and incompetent government in the country will see some drastic changes shortly (Goodbye Sammy & Greg)
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Post by Tim on Feb 10, 2014 9:30:05 GMT -6
Hydro would be in a better position if the NDP hadnt RAPED their profits to do an end run around balanced budget laws. Then again, when that wasnt enough they just changed the laws. The most corrupt and incompetent government in the country will see some drastic changes shortly (Goodbye Sammy & Greg) I fixed it for you.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 10, 2014 9:34:16 GMT -6
Hydro would be in a better position if the NDP hadnt RAPED their profits to do an end run around balanced budget laws. Then again, when that wasnt enough they just changed the laws. The most corrupt and incompetent government in the country will see some drastic changes shortly (Goodbye Sammy & Greg) I fixed it for you. I stand corrected. The length of time the NDP have been in power is a black mark on the modern history of this province.
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Post by Tim on Feb 11, 2014 6:52:32 GMT -6
This project is a big investment, but with big risk can come big rewards. We have something that everyone envies cheap electricity and it is a recourse that will not run out or dry up. Just go to Ontario and see what they pay for electricity, we can produce power cheaper than anyone else if we do a little more investing and if you think that the American cities that are paying double of what we do for electricity won't buy from us if we can save them money than your crazy. Why do you think the Manitoba consumer is getting subsidised to put all these energy saving devices in their homes, and there basically paying the bills for business to convert all there lighting needs to energy efficient lights? There doing this because they make more money sell this electricity to other places and the demand is there, if the need was not there these subsidies would not be happen. Look at the rates in Canada www.hydro.mb.ca/regulatory_affairs/energy_rates/electricity/utility_rate_comp.shtml you can tell the provinces that have the renewable resources by those prices. Now look at the US www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a tell me there is not a market there for Manitoba to make loads of money.
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Post by phillymike on Feb 11, 2014 8:51:56 GMT -6
riskyhydroplan.wordpress.com
Tim, taking a time out, and asking for a completely independent, non-partisan review of this plan before spending 34 billion is not a good idea?
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Post by Tim on Feb 11, 2014 9:59:22 GMT -6
riskyhydroplan.wordpress.com Tim, taking a time out, and asking for a completely independent, non-partisan review of this plan before spending 34 billion is not a good idea? Can we in todays world and into the future go without electricity? We have a very rich resource in this province, something most provinces and states would kill for and it's here till the world is no longer. It's a major investment with scary numbers but in the long run will keep this a very rich province for many years to come and if we don't do it Quebec will.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Feb 11, 2014 10:04:25 GMT -6
Well the issue is, our valuable is our electricty? We were told it was our "oil" but its not standing up well in todays market where American customers are paying less than we are for our electricity.
In a perfect world, we become a major supplier to the US and provinces East and West. But I have my doubts.
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Post by TheDeuce on Feb 11, 2014 11:13:02 GMT -6
riskyhydroplan.wordpress.com Tim, taking a time out, and asking for a completely independent, non-partisan review of this plan before spending 34 billion is not a good idea? Can we in todays world and into the future go without electricity? We have a very rich resource in this province, something most provinces and states would kill for and it's here till the world is no longer. It's a major investment with scary numbers but in the long run will keep this a very rich province for many years to come and if we don't do it Quebec will. We can't go far without electricity but then again, the electrical generation capacity we currently have isn't going anywhere. Making more of it without any assurance of a market to sell it to is insane. And it's not just the massive initial investment, it's the ongoing operational expense that makes this a foolish endeavor. We don't need any more capacity right now. There's no guaranteed market to sell surplus power to. Insane gamble to say the least. m.
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Post by Tim on Feb 11, 2014 12:05:23 GMT -6
Can we in todays world and into the future go without electricity? We have a very rich resource in this province, something most provinces and states would kill for and it's here till the world is no longer. It's a major investment with scary numbers but in the long run will keep this a very rich province for many years to come and if we don't do it Quebec will. We can't go far without electricity but then again, the electrical generation capacity we currently have isn't going anywhere. Making more of it without any assurance of a market to sell it to is insane. And it's not just the massive initial investment, it's the ongoing operational expense that makes this a foolish endeavor. We don't need any more capacity right now. There's no guaranteed market to sell surplus power to. Insane gamble to say the least. m. Question, if you can produce a product much cheaper then anyone else and sell it to someone for less money then they can produce it themselves, will that product sell?
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