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Post by Bruinsfan on Jan 21, 2016 10:24:06 GMT -6
wow, goes to show how dumb Georgia Frontier was. She could have waited and sold that team for a ton in LA.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 21, 2016 17:27:32 GMT -6
Yep, it's just mind boggling what happened. You NEVER leave a market like NY, LA, Chicago, San Francisco/San Jose, Boston, Philly, Dallas, Washington Houston, Toronto matter no what!
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 21, 2016 23:41:53 GMT -6
Rams owner reportedly leery of Raiders fans in shopping areas around new stadiumRams owner Stan Kroenke wants the San Diego Chargers to join his team in Los Angeles. Why? Because he doesn’t want the Raiders in town, Bleacher Report’s Jason Cole reports. Citing “multiple NFL sources,” Cole says (video at the end of the article) negotiations between the Rams and Chargers have gone smoothly and a deal could be done within two weeks. One of the big reasons, an underlying reason for the Rams wanting to have the Chargers in Los Angeles with them is that the Rams don’t really want to have the Raiders there. They view the Raiders as part of a marketing challenge because of the Raiders’ history there and specifically because they’re building such an elaborate complex in the Inglewood area that’s going to feature shopping. The Rams frankly don’t want to have a lot of Raider fans in that area. That’s what’s working against the Raiders working against Los Angeles in this situation.(This is Cole saying this)The Raiders played in Los Angeles between 1982 and 1994 and maintain a large fan-base in Southern California, according to Facebook data. Last week, NFL owners selected the Rams’ proposal for a stadium in Inglewood over the Chargers and Raiders’ joint proposal for a venue in nearby Carson. The agreement left open the possibility of either the Chargers or Raiders joining the Rams in Los Angeles. The Chargers have until March 23 to decide where they’ll play in 2016 and until next January to decide for sure whether to move to L.A. If they choose to remain in San Diego, the Raiders will be given the opportunity to relocate. In an odd conflict of interest, the Rams are apparently negotiating furiously with the Chargers because they believe the Chargers will be less successful in Los Angeles than the Raiders. It’s hard to imagine the NFL is thrilled with that reasoning, but the league set the rules, and Kroenke and company are following them. www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/rams-owner-reportedly-leery-of-raiders-fans-in-shopping-areas-around-new-stadium-012016
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 22, 2016 0:06:03 GMT -6
The Inglewood site is going to have a LOT of housing etc... too. Nothing will lower housing values like have Raider fans come 10 times a year.
Fred Roggin had a lot of stuff yesterday on the 1st hour of his show.
-says Spanos is still pouting and feels betrayed/boxed in
-Spanos trademarked LA chargers(big mistake, both he and Vinny say you have to rebrand)
-Chargers are indecisive and really don't know what to do, like a deer in headlights, if they go to LA the Raiders may go to San Diego which would be nightmare, if they stay in San Diego Raiders are coming to LA
-Spanos knows LA doesn't want him or the Chargers
- Says a LOT of NFL owners only want 1 team in LA to start, don't want to do too much too soon and they want to keep Oakland/San Diego markets anyway because those teams have a long history in those markets and because of the upside of those markets
- LOT of NFL owners still leary of Raiders in LA because of last time
- Roggin goes through the history of every LA owner and talks about who was good/bad. Liked the O'Malley family(Dodgers), A. Moreno(Angels), Jerry Buss(Lakers), Steve Balmer(Clippers), AEG(Kings) and the current Ducks owner. Says the failures were Fox(Dodgers), Frank McCourt(Dodgers) and Donald Sterling(Clippers). Compares Spanos to Donald Sterling without the racism. Says Spanos is under capitalized doesn't talk to public plus the Chargers have never won anything. Says that won't work in LA.
-says Spanos family can shut down criticism in San Diego by not granting access to the team. Can't do that in LA
-He says the Chargers monitor what he says and have transcripts of every show he does. LOL He ran into Spanos in the elevator last week. Spanos said nothing to him. Next time he saw him Spanos did say hello. Ran into Fabani. Fabani went the other way. Then meet again. Roggin tried to bury hatchet and offered to buy Fabani a drink. Fabani never accepted but told him they know what Roggin is saying because they get transcripts of his show.(this was on last week Thursday)
-Not on his show yesterday but Fabani went on local San Diego radio and called Rogin a joke.
Roggins response
Fred Roggin @frednbcla Jan 19 Who's the joke been on to this point?
LOL
My take is I think the Chargers are the best choice but ONLY if they rebrand. The problem is Dean is a baby and his main goal is to hurt San Diego by keeping the name/brand which will hurt himself too then try to make money if he can. If he don't oh well at least he hurt San Diego. The NFL should step in and tell Dean this. We will block the Raiders to San Diego(or make them become the Chargers) if they try to go but you MUST let San Diego keep the Charger brand. If you keep the Charger brand we will let the Raiders go to San Diego thus you will be hurt BADLY. ALL LA Raider fans will stay Raider fans since they will be an hour and a half away. Ram fans won't switch. You will be screwed. What is more important? Making $$$ or hurting San Diego? You pick.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 22, 2016 0:12:19 GMT -6
Rams have received 45,000 ticket depositsMore than 45,000 people have paid $100 for deposits on Los Angeles Rams tickets, suggesting that the team will have a robust fan base in its new home. The Rams started accepting the refundable deposits on Monday and announced on Wednesday that sales had topped 45,000. Fans who put down a deposit now get priority both for season tickets this year at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum and for 2019 tickets at the planned Inglewood stadium. “We could not be more pleased by Los Angeles’ passion for the return of the Rams,” Rams COO Kevin Demoff said in a statement. “It is evident that our fans are excited to be part of history this year in the Coliseum and their energy is fueling our organization as we begin to build our new stadium in Inglewood.” The Rams’ move back to Los Angeles is more about Stan Kroenke’s desire to develop the new stadium and the land around it than it is about the fans of Southern California being hungry for a team again. But the fans are showing enthusiasm for supporting the Rams. profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/21/rams-have-received-45000-ticket-deposits/Note-You can order up to 8 tickets per person. If these 45,000 people buy 2 tickets you are only about 3,000 short of selling out the HUGE 93,607 Coliseum.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jan 22, 2016 7:57:01 GMT -6
It should be only 2 teams in southern california.
Either chargers in san diego or LA
and Rams in LA.
The Raiders dont have the capital to pull it off IMO. I think they will get their minor league stadium in oakland, move in Santa Clara, or go to San Antonio.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 22, 2016 21:31:44 GMT -6
3 can work but under the right circumstances. San Diego and LA are separate. Two things that probably won't work though
1. Having a former LA team in San Diego(that's the once thing where the markets won't be separate) 2. Chargers brand in LA
This can all be avoided if Dean gives the Chargers name to San Diego. That probably blocks the Raiders brand. Problem is Dean won't do that because his number 1 goal is to hurt San Diego, not make money.
Raiders aren't going to go to Levi's and I don't think Davis wants to take the team to Texas unfortunately. I think you may be right and the minor league stadium will be built. There is a lot of talk of the A's looking at other sites than the Coliseum. John Fisher the actual majority owner of the A's was talking about Howard Terminal again. If Oakland gives Davis the land the stadium will be built.
If the minor league stadium don't work I think he's going to San Diego. The talk is the league would reduce/waive the relocation fee and that Davis would accept a Qualcomm renovation which would be a disaster.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 22, 2016 22:23:33 GMT -6
O'Neill: Losing the Rams should prompt an honest look in the mirrorWhat were we thinking, those who told us differently, who sold us the idea that buying tickets and attending Rams games could make a difference? As if we didn’t know any better. What were they thinking, those who spent tax-paid time jumping through hoops, skirting public votes and making promises they had little chance of keeping? Those who lined pockets for $16 million worth of financial caulk and moral duct tape, plans that were destined to be categorically rejected? As if March 1988 and the departure of the Cardinals never happened. What were they thinking, those who led St. Louis down the dead-end path, eager to compound the preposterous missteps of their predecessors? Willing to prostitute the city and pay more ransom to keep the Rams here? As if it made perfect sense. Not content to be snookered by Harold Hill once, they listened to “76 Trombones” again and encouraged us all to march along. It was irresponsible. Meanwhile, The Dubliner has packed it up, Harry’s is closing, Mike Shannon’s Steaks and Seafood will be history at the end of the month. Meanwhile, the St. Louis area is still missing more than 31,000 jobs it had in 2008. Meanwhile, our beloved town, the one we are so quick to defend against criticism, ranked 490th among 515 cities of various sizes in economic growth, according to a Wallet Hub study. It was 61st among 64 large cities with populations of over 300,000 and 511th overall in population growth. If you take exception to the evil Kroenkladites and what they said about St. Louis, go ahead. It’s like blaming your old pair of jeans for not being able to fit into your old pair of jeans anymore. We love St. Louis for a number of reasons, none of which were going to show up in a transfer application. But the truth hurts, and the nuts and bolts of Kroenke’s review were just that — spot on. What he might have added is that keeping the Rams here, building a $1 billion stadium on the north side of downtown would not have changed it. The scars, the liver spots, the challenges this city faces would still be here, with or without Case Keenum. Robbing Peter to pay Stan would have made us feel better about ourselves, would have continued the “big league” charade for the sports-minded community, would have provided a beer-infused, gambling-based distraction for eight or so weekends each year. It also would have exacerbated the problems. We already were living beyond our means with the Rams. We had no business getting in deeper, and we had no chance of going deep enough to match Kroenke’s pockets. It’s hard to see football leave, hard to be abandoned once more, absolutely. But it should make us sad, not angry. It should make us sad that a city with so many good people, promise and pedigree can’t compete. The Rams situation was over the moment the federal government made it impossible for the Rosenbloom family to keep the team and forced a sale to Kroenke, the moment a billionaire owner set his sights on Los Angeles, whether it was five years, five months or five minutes ago. It should make us sad our city has been so compromised by slumping schools and fragmented neighborhoods. That, according to the most recent FBI statistic, it is the murder capital of the country. That the infrastructure continues to crumble. That job growth is well under the national average. That our corporate community is now “the few, the proud … the few.” That our way of governing is so counterproductive that it pays someone a salary while also paying them a pension. That our victimization journalism and our own complacency feed the insidious cycle.And that should make you angry, angry that lawmakers and leaders are willing to fight so hard to save football when so many other things need saving. It should drive you crazy that we are willing to go to the mattresses, make paralyzing concessions, skirt laws, squeeze constituents and sell our soul to keep a NFL franchise. You should be incensed that going through this shakedown in the early 1990s wasn’t enough, that St. Louis was willing to say, “‘Thank you sir, may I have another?” If the same energy and effort were made to address the core issues, the real reasons St. Louis is a healthy scratch in the big-city lineup, we wouldn’t have a football problem. Smack dab in the middle of America, flush with honest, hard-working people who are passionate about sports and loyal to their athletes, St. Louis should be a destination city for big-league franchises, not a pit stop. So go ahead, miss football downtown. But miss your city more, miss what it used to be, how it used to sing, how it used to feel. The Rams departure is a blow to our civic ego, but it has a chance to be a positive fork in the road. We shouldn’t lament the loss, we should learn from it.Having an NFL team doesn’t make us a big-league city; it works the other way around. Maybe we will realize that. Maybe we will re-direct the focus to keeping businesses, expanding the economy and improving schools. Maybe we will do a better job of providing safety and integrating neighborhoods. Maybe we will stop patting ourselves on the back, stop blaming someone else and start looking in the mirror. If we do, losing the Rams might be the best thing that ever happened to St. Louis.www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/o-neill-losing-the-rams-should-prompt-an-honest-look/article_320973b2-257d-5c18-b2ee-11108e0c58b8.html
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 22, 2016 22:28:33 GMT -6
^^^^^^^Best written sports article of all time!!!!
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 24, 2016 18:32:05 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jan 25, 2016 11:29:25 GMT -6
im wondering if they have a second team buying in if they would have enough space to do a Glendale Grass system, arguably the coolest stadium in the world with the roll out grass.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 25, 2016 23:26:22 GMT -6
There are no plans to do that at this point and I don't think there is enough space with all the development/man made lake/parking.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jan 29, 2016 20:14:07 GMT -6
Chargers and Rams reach principal deal.
HOWEVER Chargers staying put for now.
It will cost the chargers 1.5 billion to buy in in LA (that includes relocation fee)
that is a HEFTy price tag that i Don;t think the chargers or Raiders would be smart to pay.
Here is my prediction, the chargers get themselves an open air stadium for a reasonable price or keep the LA threat alive.
No way in hell the Raiders can afford LA, and to be honest Kroenke may never let them come (gang thing).
Raiders start looking to Las vegas, portland, and san antonio before settling short term in Santa Clara.
Earmark San Antonio for the raiders long term, short term stay in the bay.
Then. The chargers work out a deal blocking LA from the Raiders but never having to pay the hefty fee to go.
Kroenke may have played this perfectly.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 29, 2016 23:22:47 GMT -6
The Chargers did the right thing! San Diego deserves a fair chance to keep the team. Telling the city you have 2 years, NOPE you have 1 isn't a fair chance. If the Chargers leave now both they and the NFL can at least leave with a clear conscience knowing you did all you could. If they do leave they will be able to keep a better % of San Diego fans. The Chargers can now say if the vote fails(or they can't come to terms with the city) hey we did all we could. Blame your fellow citizens for voting no or blame the mayor he is an idiot. What the Chargers are now going to do it threaten the city. This is it. No stadium deal we are gone. Bolts from the blue yesterday had an article about how the Chargers may want $500M in public money instead of the $350M. They speculated that the land at Qualcomm could be sold to cover the extra $150M and the Chargers would get a downtown stadium. www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/1/29/10866250/chargers-san-diego-los-angeles-stadium-public-moneyIf the Chargers do stay for good in San Diego the Raiders are 100% sure coming. Both Roggin and Bongsignore reported this. Davis probably can't buy in as an equal partner but he will pay the relocation fee and be a tenant. I guess according to Roggin the deal brokered with the Rams is that either team can be an equal partner OR be a tenant for 1 dollar. The Chargers/Rams can't block the Raiders from LA. It's in the agreement that the Raiders get 2nd dibs on LA. Davis can afford a relocation fee from the extra LA revenue(he's making nothing at the Coliseum now) assuming the new stadium with amenities/higher ticket prices can keep out the old crew from the Coliseum days. I actually don't mind giving the Raiders a shot at LA as long as 1. the Raiders agree to hire a TON of extra security 2. they keep ticket prices high/no cheap tickets. If you fail to sell them you DO NOT lower them leave seats go empty. 3. If you still can't keep the gangs out/they start destroying stuff/shop lifting like mad, you agree to leave and another NFL team comes in the future I would NEVER NEVER NEVER trust the Raiders to be LA's number 1 team with what happened the last time but I don't mind giving them the shot as the B team as long as you pull out ASAP if it don't work. Not every LA Raider fan is a gang member though there a lots of them. The early years the Raiders did have normal fans until that idiot Al Davis started willing promoting that. I will say this, there are a HELL of a lot more Raider fans(even once you count out gang members) than Charger fans in LA.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 29, 2016 23:35:54 GMT -6
One key thing to take away from today's announcement According to the relocation agreement between the teams, the Chargers have a one-year window that ends on Jan. 15, 2017, to move to Los Angeles as the second team at the Inglewood project, which is set to be completed by the 2019 season. The Chargers can extend that option to Jan. 15, 2018, if a referendum for public financing in San Diego is not approved before Nov. 15 of this year. espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14674980/chargers-remain-san-diego-2016-deal-reached-rams-long-term-solution-not-worked-outI think if the Chargers try for downtown even if they pass a referendum it's going to take a long time to do an EIR and get everything else lineup up so this is going to drag out a while. My guess is IF the Chargers do work something out they will need more than 1 year. The NFL isn't going to pull out of San Diego if a referendum passes but you need time for other stuff. They will tell the Raiders you have to wait for LA until San Diego finishes everything in case something goes wrong. IF Raiders do come it won't be until the new Inglewood stadium opens not only to keep LA open for the Chargers. Most temp places won't take the Raiders and I don't think the NFL will want to start the Raiders off at a temp site because a temp site = cheap tickets which for the Raiders = gangs. If gangs invade a temp site no one will buy tickets in Inglewood thinking the same will happen there.
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