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Post by Ric O. on Jul 12, 2016 20:15:53 GMT -6
The longer he goes not being signed the more a trade seems possible. Late signings aren't really new for the Jets I guess...Bogo used to wait until summer was about over before he'd sign, or that's how I remember it anyway.
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Post by Lions67 on Jul 12, 2016 21:19:08 GMT -6
He has no leverage. Relax guys, it will get done.
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2016 6:59:14 GMT -6
Hey I'd be happy seeing a solid stay at home Left handed shot defenseman in place of Trouba if a deal has to be done. I have never been a fan of make a defenseman play his opposite side unless it's on the power play and diffidently not on your number one pairing.
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Post by grumpy on Jul 13, 2016 8:27:11 GMT -6
What sort of return would you want for Trouba?
Kris Russell is a LD who was great for the Flames down the stretch and playoffs 2015 and really was outstanding for Dallas down the stretch when they had their injuries on Defense and was solid in the Playoffs. Dallas gave up a 2nd round pick , a roster player their 5/6 D Jokipakka and a reasonably high prospect #45 from 2014 Brett Pollock.
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Post by Grumpz on Jul 13, 2016 10:55:44 GMT -6
its not only boston but detroit too, that bastard overhardt up to his dirty tricks 4 1sts is nice but not of its a playoff team..... 4 picks in the 20s for trouba would suck Detroit doesn't have the pcs to compete anymore, so I'd take four firsts from them in a heartbeat, before I'd pay 6 plus mill for Trouba. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by lenny on Jul 13, 2016 11:08:40 GMT -6
Just heard Craig Buttons rip the Trouba camp and what they're purportedly looking for.
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Post by LT on Jul 13, 2016 11:11:30 GMT -6
Guys I really think Trouba wants to stay in Winnipeg. So unless his demands are outrageous, I trust that Chevy will get him signed.
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Post by Grumpz on Jul 13, 2016 11:20:53 GMT -6
Guys I really think Trouba wants to stay in Winnipeg. So unless his demands are outrageous, I trust that Chevy will get him signed. I think it'll happen too, but the delay tells me Trouba's ask is too high. Perreault was extended and Scheifele was locked in, while Trouba waits? I'm just suggesting that if someone swooped in and offered a massive over pay, take the picks...even from Detroit. That said, I fully expect a bridge. The Jets are too smart to over pay, and Trouba's only play it to hold out. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice
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Post by bcmike on Jul 13, 2016 11:30:05 GMT -6
If history is our guide the one thing we don't have to worry about is an overpay from Chevy (Unless the players name begins with Thorb)
I get the feeling there might (I said might...) be attitude problems, etc with Trouba. If a comparable D for D option is available take it, if someone wants to go batsh!t and do a huge offersheet take the compensation..
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Post by TheDeuce on Jul 13, 2016 12:26:21 GMT -6
its not only boston but detroit too, that bastard overhardt up to his dirty tricks 4 1sts is nice but not of its a playoff team..... 4 picks in the 20s for trouba would suck Detroit doesn't have the pcs to compete anymore, so I'd take four firsts from them in a heartbeat, before I'd pay 6 plus mill for Trouba. Posted w/ Grumpz D-vice If Detroit offer sheeted Trouba they wouldn't be offering a dollar figure that would get us four first rounders back. Boston had no choice - they didn't have the second round pick to put up as compensation so they would have been forced to offer sheet a dollar figure that used only first rounders as compensation. Trouba's market value would be in the range of $5,632,847 to $7,510,464 which would get us a First Round, Second Round, and Third Round pick. The Jets would almost certainly match for those dollars and with that compensation. Current offer sheet rules: www.colliganhockey.com/nhl-rfa-compensation-rules-2016/I'm sure the contract dragging is no different than what happened with Bogosian and Kane. A deal will get done. m.
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Post by lenny on Jul 13, 2016 12:54:27 GMT -6
Offer sheets like this aren't popular. That was displayed when word got out about Boston. There was all kinds of back peddling. Most GMs see them as poaching. But if there were to be one I agree it would be nothing like what Boston was purportedly prepared to give and the drafts as a consequence would be less impactful though still potentially worthwhile. Seth Jones has to be the wheelhouse right now at five for 5.4 per. The question I guess is if someone comes with a poaching offer sheet of over 6 is this something Chevy should bite and match. I say no. The return is as noted a first, second, and third rounder.
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Post by djk on Jul 13, 2016 13:09:59 GMT -6
I'm of the opinion that Trouba will stay and I think the Jets did the Scheifele deal first in order to set a bar for Trouba. Well, not really but that in effect is what they've done. Unless Trouba is delusional he cannot think he is more valuable to the Jets than Scheifele. That cuts his asking price down to $6 million. Unless he's delusional he cannot think he is better than Seth Jones either. He can't realistically expect to get more than 5 million per from the Jets.
I think an offer sheet is unlikely. If it comes from Boston you bite it off and run away before they change their minds. Anything else you'd have to see what the offer is. I just don't think teams are likely to do it. On the rare occasions it has happened it has led to bad blood and hasn't worked out well anyway.
The Jets have all the cards right now, Trouba has none unless an offer sheet comes in. I think holding out will cast him in a bad light.
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Post by smokes on Jul 13, 2016 14:12:48 GMT -6
I'm of the opinion that Trouba will stay and I think the Jets did the Scheifele deal first in order to set a bar for Trouba. Well, not really but that in effect is what they've done. Unless Trouba is delusional he cannot think he is more valuable to the Jets than Scheifele. That cuts his asking price down to $6 million. Unless he's delusional he cannot think he is better than Seth Jones either. He can't realistically expect to get more than 5 million per from the Jets. I think an offer sheet is unlikely. If it comes from Boston you bite it off and run away before they change their minds. Anything else you'd have to see what the offer is. I just don't think teams are likely to do it. On the rare occasions it has happened it has led to bad blood and hasn't worked out well anyway. The Jets have all the cards right now, Trouba has none unless an offer sheet comes in. I think holding out will cast him in a bad light. One of the most overheard quotes in player/management negotiations is, "It's business." If this is the case, why don't we see more offer sheets? The notion that offer sheets create bad blood or hurt a GM's reputation in the context of multi million/billion dollar business decisions seems incongruent. If an offer sheet was tendered by a franchise, accepted or not, would another team truly not make a deal that was good for them in the future simply because the team they were dealing with broke some sort of unnwritten code? Clearly, there is something I am missing here...
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Post by djk on Jul 13, 2016 14:26:08 GMT -6
I think it's more of a gentleman's agreement. The idea I have is that GM's don't want their RFA's offer sheeted so they don't do it to others very often if at all. And offer sheets also hurt the offering team in the same way that free agency often does in that you have to overpay to get your guy otherwise the other team just matches. Like offering big money and term to over 30 free agents it often just doesn't make sense.
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Post by TheDeuce on Jul 13, 2016 15:59:03 GMT -6
Offer sheets are rarely worth it imho. Either they get matched (which happens most of the time) and create some bad blood OR the offering team has to give up so much in draft picks that the crippling effect isn't worth it.
In the Trouba situation the Jets almost certainly would have matched any offer that was in the realm of reasonable. The $7 million x 7 would have been passed on though.
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