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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 1:01:49 GMT -6
I wanted to know what others think of our current management. Living in Calgary, and watching the Flames do seemingly everything right, frustrates me, as a Jets fan, to no end. The Flames are a top notch organization. True North may have been one of the best run teams in the AHL, but this is the big league. I'm tired of hearing people in my hometown paying some of the highest prices in the league for tickets, while the club either makes horrible decisions (letting go of Stempniak, Frolik, Montoya, etc), or does not do anything to fix the deficiencies of the club (defense and a veteran goaltender), while the Flames addressed this issue immediately.
I am not sure who is responsible for this mess- Chevy being a poor GM, or Chipman being more concerned about the bottom line, and having Chevy on a short leash. All I know is it's been six years, with only one playoff season. Winnipeg fans deserve better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 7:48:12 GMT -6
Gave them a fair grade. Haven't heard in a while, " at least we have a team", so we got that......Barf! If anyone has any money left to spend on other things non hockey wise... I have firewood for sale! our bundles are not Pine but Poplar and we offer Ash Bundles...campfires soon!
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Post by lenny on Mar 12, 2017 8:49:02 GMT -6
After that last game, TN should have announced a high noon presser and fired Chevy, Maurice, appointed an interim coach and interim GM, Zinger, and stated the club was going in a new and hopefully more aggressive direction - would start the search for a new coach and GM and that all player assets of the team were on the table except: Scheif, Ehlers, Laine, Trouba, Morrissey, Connor, Lowry and Helle. After the expansion draft let the fun begin.
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Post by USApegger on Mar 12, 2017 14:19:22 GMT -6
I wanted to know what others think of our current management. Living in Calgary, and watching the Flames do seemingly everything right, frustrates me, as a Jets fan, to no end. The Flames are a top notch organization. True North may have been one of the best run teams in the AHL, but this is the big league. I'm tired of hearing people in my hometown paying some of the highest prices in the league for tickets, while the club either makes horrible decisions (letting go of Stempniak, Frolik, Montoya, etc), or does not do anything to fix the deficiencies of the club (defense and a veteran goaltender), while the Flames addressed this issue immediately. I am not sure who is responsible for this mess- Chevy being a poor GM, or Chipman being more concerned about the bottom line, and having Chevy on a short leash. All I know is it's been six years, with only one playoff season. Winnipeg fans deserve better. I am one of those that pays for tickets, I have no problem right now in what is happening, or in letting go any of those players. I do believe with hindsight it was a mistake to go with the rookie goalie tandem, however I am sure the majority on here were happy to see Pavelec sent down I believe the team is being set up to win for a very long time, and I believe that starts next year This team had nothing when it came here and nothing in the farm system, you don't build a contender overnight (like the Rangers always tried in the non capped days) |
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Post by rainmanrh on Mar 12, 2017 14:23:52 GMT -6
I wanted to know what others think of our current management. Living in Calgary, and watching the Flames do seemingly everything right, frustrates me, as a Jets fan, to no end. The Flames are a top notch organization. True North may have been one of the best run teams in the AHL, but this is the big league. I'm tired of hearing people in my hometown paying some of the highest prices in the league for tickets, while the club either makes horrible decisions (letting go of Stempniak, Frolik, Montoya, etc), or does not do anything to fix the deficiencies of the club (defense and a veteran goaltender), while the Flames addressed this issue immediately. I am not sure who is responsible for this mess- Chevy being a poor GM, or Chipman being more concerned about the bottom line, and having Chevy on a short leash. All I know is it's been six years, with only one playoff season. Winnipeg fans deserve better. I am one of those that pays for tickets, I have no problem right now in what is happening, or in letting go any of those players. I do believe with hindsight it was a mistake to go with the rookie goalie tandem, however I am sure the majority on here were happy to see Pavelec sent down I believe the team is being set up to win for a very long time, and I believe that starts next year This team had nothing when it came here and nothing in the farm system, you don't build a contender overnight (like the Rangers always tried in the non capped days) Amen |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:53:30 GMT -6
I wanted to know what others think of our current management. Living in Calgary, and watching the Flames do seemingly everything right, frustrates me, as a Jets fan, to no end. The Flames are a top notch organization. True North may have been one of the best run teams in the AHL, but this is the big league. I'm tired of hearing people in my hometown paying some of the highest prices in the league for tickets, while the club either makes horrible decisions (letting go of Stempniak, Frolik, Montoya, etc), or does not do anything to fix the deficiencies of the club (defense and a veteran goaltender), while the Flames addressed this issue immediately. I am not sure who is responsible for this mess- Chevy being a poor GM, or Chipman being more concerned about the bottom line, and having Chevy on a short leash. All I know is it's been six years, with only one playoff season. Winnipeg fans deserve better. I am one of those that pays for tickets, I have no problem right now in what is happening, or in letting go any of those players. You are in the minority of Jets fans (or filthy rich...). You are in for an unpleasant suprise in 2017-18, when the Jets fail to make the playoffs, and Chevy does next to nothing in correcting our deficiencies in defence and goal. I now believe that is a misconception. It's true that we have far more offensive talent than we did in 2011, but were are far inferior in terms of good Defensemen. Some of the players that were hyped up as being instrumental in the organization's future never panned out. The same thing can be said of the Jets poor drafting of defensemen. I'm going to come out and say that no D-man we drafted in 2016, will ever be a regular in the NHL. Logan Stanley = Boris Valabik enough said. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 15:57:47 GMT -6
After that last game, TN should have announced a high noon presser and fired Chevy, Maurice, appointed an interim coach and interim GM, Zinger, and stated the club was going in a new and hopefully more aggressive direction - would start the search for a new coach and GM and that all player assets of the team were on the table except: Scheif, Ehlers, Laine, Trouba, Morrissey, Connor, Lowry and Helle. After the expansion draft let the fun begin. I have a feeling it may take years to learn the lesson that Edmonton and Toronto did. |
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Post by lenny on Mar 12, 2017 16:30:13 GMT -6
After that last game, TN should have announced a high noon presser and fired Chevy, Maurice, appointed an interim coach and interim GM, Zinger, and stated the club was going in a new and hopefully more aggressive direction - would start the search for a new coach and GM and that all player assets of the team were on the table except: Scheif, Ehlers, Laine, Trouba, Morrissey, Connor, Lowry and Helle. After the expansion draft let the fun begin. I have a feeling it may take years to learn the lesson that Edmonton and Toronto did. Looks like it. |
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Post by 76for13 on Mar 12, 2017 16:33:13 GMT -6
I'm not convinced that this current management regime will make the necessary changes. They seem to be fiercely loyal to their guys, which is an admirable trait, but also one that can doom an organization to long-term mediocrity, or worse. There was no real evidence to suggest that Hellebuyck and Hutchinson could carry the load. There was plenty of evidence that Pavelec couldn't, and he should have been bought out during the penalty-free buyout period immediately following the lock out.
Back in 2014-15 when they made the playoffs, the Jets were widely considered to be a big, tough physical team. That was their identity, and it would have served them well to continue down that path. They currently have no identity (at least not one that they'd want to be associated with). The special teams stink. The goaltending stinks. Defensive play stinks. They run up a pile of goals on occasion and win some games, but there is no path to sustainable success. The young guys up front have definite offensive upside, but there appears to have been zero defensive, 200-foot game development. It will take some serious effort to instil that in guys who've learned these horrible habits for a few years. The coaching culture needs to change, but I'm afraid it won't. A re-up with Maurice and his staff will ensure that what we see is what we get.
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Post by USApegger on Mar 12, 2017 17:42:11 GMT -6
I am one of those that pays for tickets, I have no problem right now in what is happening, or in letting go any of those players. (or filthy rich...). You are in for an unpleasant suprise in 2017-18, when the Jets fail to make the playoffs, and Chevy does next to nothing in correcting our deficiencies in defence and goal. I now believe that is a misconception. It's true that we have far more offensive talent than we did in 2011, but were are far inferior in terms of good Defensemen. Some of the players that were hyped up as being instrumental in the organization's future never panned out. The same thing can be said of the Jets poor drafting of defensemen. I'm going to come out and say that no D-man we drafted in 2016, will ever be a regular in the NHL. Logan Stanley = Boris Valabik enough said. Can you prove this? as you said, you don't live here |
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Post by Tracker on Mar 12, 2017 17:53:38 GMT -6
There's a good argument to be made that our forwards are a lot better than they were when the Thrashers came to town, but its a team game. Collectively, once you add up all the bits and pieces, the net result is a team that is not a lot better and the bottom line (wins vs losses) is the bottom line. And that does not flatter the current team and regime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 18:10:07 GMT -6
Mark Chipman is a true gentleman, unfortunately that may sometimes be his biggest downfall as an owner.......
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Post by phillymike on Mar 12, 2017 18:18:51 GMT -6
You are in the minority of Jets fans (or filthy rich...). You are in for an unpleasant suprise in 2017-18, when the Jets fail to make the playoffs, and Chevy does next to nothing in correcting our deficiencies in defence and goal. I now believe that is a misconception. It's true that we have far more offensive talent than we did in 2011, but were are far inferior in terms of good Defensemen. Some of the players that were hyped up as being instrumental in the organization's future never panned out. The same thing can be said of the Jets poor drafting of defensemen. I'm going to come out and say that no D-man we drafted in 2016, will ever be a regular in the NHL. Logan Stanley = Boris Valabik enough said. Can you prove this? as you said, you don't live here im not thrilled with what's transpiring at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 18:45:30 GMT -6
You are in the minority of Jets fans (or filthy rich...). You are in for an unpleasant suprise in 2017-18, when the Jets fail to make the playoffs, and Chevy does next to nothing in correcting our deficiencies in defence and goal. I now believe that is a misconception. It's true that we have far more offensive talent than we did in 2011, but were are far inferior in terms of good Defensemen. Some of the players that were hyped up as being instrumental in the organization's future never panned out. The same thing can be said of the Jets poor drafting of defensemen. I'm going to come out and say that no D-man we drafted in 2016, will ever be a regular in the NHL. Logan Stanley = Boris Valabik enough said. Can you prove this? as you said, you don't live here I lived in Winnipeg for most of my life. Probably more years in Winnipeg than you have. Unfortunately, you have the old school mentality - "the Jets and Bombers are fine, even if they haven't won anything since Milli Vanilli was a group!" I am of the new mentality - "Winnipeggers deserve better. Winnipeg is the best city in Canada, and should have one of the top NHL teams in the world. Mediocrity is not excellence. It's time to depart the "have-not Express" and jump aboard the "We can make our city great!" shuttle-bus. As Winnipeg's own Chris Jericho once said: "You people have been led to believe that mediocrity is excellence. Uh uh...JERICHO IS EXCELLENCE. And now, for the first time in NHL history, you have a team who can entertain you! You have a team who is good enough for you! You have a team who can make you jump up off your chairs, raise your filthy fat little hands in the air and scream 'Go JETS Go! Go Jets Go! Go JETS Go!' |
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Post by pokeybandit on Mar 12, 2017 20:00:46 GMT -6
Media obviously picking up on what others are thinking as well.... Ted Wyman from the Sun:
OPINION - Columnists
What reason do fans have to believe Jets will be better under Maurice next year?
Ted Wyman
Today at 5:32 PM
They stood or sat at their locker room stalls, saying words they’ve uttered all too often before.
They talked about being professionals, taking pride in their jerseys, being men who stand up and do their jobs even in the bleakest of times.
Even as members of the Winnipeg Jets spoke the words, they knew they were hollow.
The right thing to say, yes. But also hollow.
They said the same things last year and near the end of every season but one since the Jets moved from Atlanta six years ago.
They are the kinds of words one says when putting on a brave face.
Even though, on the inside, disappointment is gnawing at one’s gut.
And with the next breath, it pours out.
“There’s no beating around the bush about it,” defenceman Ben Chiarot says. “It sucks at this time of year when you’re not in a playoff spot or you know your chances are pretty slim of playing past the end of the regular season. It’s not fun and it’s easy to get really negative at this point of the year but you come and do your job.”
The Jets know their playoff dream is dead, once again, even though they are not yet mathematically eliminated from the NHL post-season.
They are nine points out of a playoff spot with 13 games left — starting Monday night in Nashville against the Predators — and it would take a miracle for them to get in.
The disappointment was palpable after the Jets lost their third straight game — 3-0 to the Calgary Flames — on Saturday night. Coach Paul Maurice said it “looked like they were carrying it around on the ice.”
It wasn’t much better in the stands at MTS Centre, where fans are getting frustrated by the team’s lack of success. There’s been only one playoff appearance in six years and even that only extended the Jets season by four games.
Like many of the players, the fans have been through all this before and expected it to be better by now. They’ve been patient with the draft and develop mantra preached by general manager Kevin Cheveldayoff and the rest of the organization and now want to see some results
“What reason do we have to believe that next season will be any better?” one fan asked me on Twitter Sunday morning.
That’s a good question.
I did not expect the Jets to make the playoffs this season when I did my pre-season predictions. I thought they were too young, and had big question marks on defence and in goal. I don’t think the organization really expected to make it either, seeing this as more of a learning year. Their actions at the trade deadline reinforced that thinking.
But a lot of people around the NHL expected more of this team when it added a stud rookie in Patrik Laine to an already-decent lineup featuring Blake Wheeler, Mark Scheifele, Bryan Little, Dustin Byfuglien and Jacob Trouba.
They see a big, talented, fast-skating, hard-hitting team and envision success.
There’s no question poor goaltending has been the biggest detractor from those positive attributes. That has to be addressed by management in the off-season.
Which brings us to the the real elephant in the room for many people.
The organization seems intent on giving Maurice a contract extension at the end of the season.
It’s admirable that the ownership group led by Mark Chipman is loyal to people like Cheveldayoff and Maurice — in the general manager’s own words, they are in it for the long haul — but surely some re-evaluation is needed after this season of discontent.
The Jets need 12 more points just to be as good as they were last season, when they finished 25th in the NHL.
They are 23rd right now and are looking at another lottery pick in the June draft.
Meanwhile, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Edmonton and Calgary are all currently in playoff position. Like the Jets, they all missed the playoffs last year.
Calgary (Glen Gulutzan), Ottawa (Guy Boucher) and Montreal (Claude Julien) all have new coaches this year, while Edmonton (Todd MacLellan) and Toronto (Mike Babcock) have coaches in their second years.
Paul Maurice is a good man and a good teacher, who has been a big part of the development of the Jets draft picks. He has been an NHL coach for 20 years for a reason.
But what proof have we seen in Winnipeg that he can mould this group into a winning team?
And how much longer can he possibly get before the Jets are forced to give someone else a chance?
If the same disappointment is prevalent at this time next year, we’ll surely have an answer.
Twyman@postmedia.com
Twitter.com/Ted_Wyman
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