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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 21:26:33 GMT -6
Off to Saskatoon!!
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Post by JimmyMann on Oct 19, 2011 22:18:30 GMT -6
About 4000-4500 of the fans there were reportedly Coyote fans. Pathetic. That number seems a little high.
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Post by domi on Oct 20, 2011 15:32:54 GMT -6
About 4000-4500 of the fans there were reportedly Coyote fans. Pathetic. That number seems a little high. I'm sure that number is accurate on most nights, but I was there and have to admit that most of the fans at the game were Coyotes fans. About two-thirds of the arena. They claimed the arena was sold-out (over capacity even), but that was simply not true. They were at least 1,000 short of a sell-out but probably closer to 2,000 short. I'm talking about the people in attendance. They may have actually distributed all the tickets, but that doesn't mean the people showed up. It also appears that there was a last minute discount of tickets and certainly they were giving free tickets to the season ticket holders too. As I mentioned earlier, the box suites were either Jets fans or virtually empty. Now that Winnipeg has a team, I don't really care so much if Phoenix keeps their team. But they have to admit, they have serious problems there. Problems that go way beyond not having an owner. The lack of owner is a symptom of the lack of fans, not the other way around.
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Post by Guardian on Oct 20, 2011 15:42:34 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the Coyotes fans who do attend games would come if they had a ticket prices similar to Winnipeg?
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Post by phillymike on Oct 20, 2011 16:37:23 GMT -6
I wonder how many of the Coyotes fans who do attend games would come if they had a ticket prices similar to Winnipeg? 174? Just guessing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 17:16:53 GMT -6
That number seems a little high. I'm sure that number is accurate on most nights, but I was there and have to admit that most of the fans at the game were Coyotes fans. About two-thirds of the arena. They claimed the arena was sold-out (over capacity even), but that was simply not true. They were at least 1,000 short of a sell-out but probably closer to 2,000 short. I'm talking about the people in attendance. They may have actually distributed all the tickets, but that doesn't mean the people showed up. It also appears that there was a last minute discount of tickets and certainly they were giving free tickets to the season ticket holders too. As I mentioned earlier, the box suites were either Jets fans or virtually empty. Now that Winnipeg has a team, I don't really care so much if Phoenix keeps their team. But they have to admit, they have serious problems there. Problems that go way beyond not having an owner. The lack of owner is a symptom of the lack of fans, not the other way around. 1. It has been widely reported by now, by experts and attendees alike, that the Jets contingent at the Yotes game was no more than 2500. That figure, which from my view is high, is not close to 1/3 capacity of the arena. That is less than 15% (less than 1/6). 2. Full season ticket holder here. I've been given my share of free tickets to pass out to friends the previous two seasons. So far this season: none. Season ticket holders were not given free tix for home opener. 3. Yes, attendance counts tix sold and distributed. That's how it is everywhere. Yes, people don't always put butts in seats when they have tix. However, home opener did not have close to 2000 no-shows. My seats have perfect views thoughout. A few hundred at most, and that's given those who just refuse to stay seated during game. 4. Blackhawks game: tons of Hawks fans, I would say 3500+. The attendance figure was not off on that one: empty seats, sure, but the reported attendance was close to accurate butts in seats. Remember, our capacity is 17.5k. Tonight against LA, will sadly be less. Interest in hockey in the Valley is weak, but an owner willing to spend money on just a bit more advertising should be able to entice a few thousand converts out of this population, and I have met countless people the past couple years who have stated they USED to be STH but dropped them until they saw if team would stay. A poor attitude, but let's see what happens as we gain our new owner (and, yes, there will be an xx year out-clause) in a couple months. -TODD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2011 17:21:06 GMT -6
^^A picture speaks a thousand words. Not when that picture is purposely aimed at the least populated section of the arena. Yes, we had thousands of empty seats, but point that camera fairly, instead of to only the end/corner, and that picture will speak different words. -TODD
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Post by Douggy-D on Oct 20, 2011 19:41:11 GMT -6
That number seems a little high. I'm sure that number is accurate on most nights, but I was there and have to admit that most of the fans at the game were Coyotes fans. About two-thirds of the arena. They claimed the arena was sold-out (over capacity even), but that was simply not true. They were at least 1,000 short of a sell-out but probably closer to 2,000 short. I'm talking about the people in attendance. They may have actually distributed all the tickets, but that doesn't mean the people showed up. It also appears that there was a last minute discount of tickets and certainly they were giving free tickets to the season ticket holders too. As I mentioned earlier, the box suites were either Jets fans or virtually empty. Now that Winnipeg has a team, I don't really care so much if Phoenix keeps their team. But they have to admit, they have serious problems there. Problems that go way beyond not having an owner. The lack of owner is a symptom of the lack of fans, not the other way around. I was talking about the Coyotes game from Tuesday night against the Blackhawks. They claimed to have 11,000 at the game, which may or may not have been accurate, I haven't really seen highlights. That number in itself is pathetic. It was also reported that about 60% of the crowd were Blackhawks fans, meaning that the number of Phoenix fans was 4000-4500, which makes it even more sad. I can't name a single arena that would get 11,000 against the Blackhawks over the last 2 or 3 years. Especially because a huge contignent of the crowds in Hawks-Yotes games in Phoenix are Chicago fans.
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Post by JimmyMann on Oct 20, 2011 22:36:46 GMT -6
Big crowd again in Glendale, Arizona tonight. Isn't it great that we have a team and can just laugh at this stuff.
Announced attendance vs. Kings
7,128
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Oct 20, 2011 23:36:07 GMT -6
Big crowd again in Glendale, Arizona tonight. Isn't it great that we have a team and can just laugh at this stuff. Announced attendance vs. Kings 7,128
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 1:31:31 GMT -6
For those who enjoy taking your shots at Yotes attendance: yes, we all know attendance here is embarrassing. It's shameful, I know. We also know that you love to toss your shots at Yotes attendance and how cheap tix can be had because Phoenix took your team 15 years ago and most of you salivated for them back as they struggled, so you want to see them fail for good. Yes we also know that the absence of NHL in Winnipeg these past 15 years has brought rabid excitement for your team and not a ticket can be had.
However, many of you enjoy to take your digs at low prices for tix in the single digits available on Stubhub for Yotes home games. As I said above; yes, it is humiliating. However, a random check of some relatively popular teams on Stubhub show the following; so let's be fair. These are low prices too. For much more popular teams. Who have owners. And past and usually strong fanbase and some Stanley Cups. I offer just for the fun of it, though I'm sure it will elicit the same responses about how Yotes are far worse:
Date, Home Team, Tix Available As Low As
10/21 Detroit. $18 10/22 Philadelphia. $29 10/21 Anaheim. $9 10/22 Los Angeles. $15 10/27 Minnesota. $22 10/30 Edmonton. $13 10/26 Calgary. $9 11/01 Washington. $16
-TODD
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Post by swervinmervin on Oct 21, 2011 6:14:29 GMT -6
2011-12 Attendance RK TEAM GMS TOTAL AVG PCT 1 Chicago 3 64,922 21,640 105.6 2 Montreal 3 63,819 21,273 100 3 Detroit 2 40,132 20,066 100 4 Toronto 5 97,213 19,442 103.3 5 Calgary 3 57,867 19,289 100 6 St. Louis 2 38,300 19,150 100 7 Vancouver 3 56,580 18,860 102.4 8 Tampa Bay 2 37,385 18,692 94.6 9 Ottawa 4 74,672 18,668 97.5 10 Washington 4 74,024 18,506 101.3 11 Carolina 2 35,163 17,581 94.1 12 Boston 5 87,825 17,565 100 13 San Jose 3 52,686 17,562 100 14 Minnesota 4 69,319 17,329 95.9 15 Nashville 2 34,226 17,113 100 16 Edmonton 4 67,356 16,839 100 17 Florida 2 33,163 16,581 86.4 18 Buffalo 2 32,039 16,019 85.7 19 Los Angeles 3 46,218 15,406 85 20 Anaheim 3 45,598 15,199 88.5 21 Winnipeg 1 15,004 15,004 99.9 22 New Jersey 3 41,977 13,992 79.4 23 Pittsburgh 4 55,577 13,894 76.8 24 NY Islanders 4 53,505 13,376 82.4 25 Philadelphia 3 39,276 13,092 67.1 26 Columbus 4 45,578 11,394 62.8 27 Dallas 4 37,845 9,461 51.1 28 Phoenix 3 28,183 9,394 54.9 29 Colorado 2 18,007 9,003 50 30 NY Rangers 0 0 0 --
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Post by swervinmervin on Oct 21, 2011 6:16:11 GMT -6
2011-12 Attendance RK TEAM GMS AVG PCT 1 Chicago 3 21,640 105.6 2 Montreal 3 21,273 100 3 Detroit 2 20,066 100 4 Toronto 5 19,442 103.3 5 Calgary 3 19,289 100 6 St. Louis 2 19,150 100 7 Vancouver 3 18,860 102.4 8 Tampa Bay 2 18,692 94.6 9 Ottawa 4 18,668 97.5 10 Washington 4 18,506 101.3 11 Carolina 2 17,581 94.1 12 Boston 5 17,565 100 13 San Jose 3 17,562 100 14 Minnesota 4 17,329 95.9 15 Nashville 2 17,113 100 16 Edmonton 4 16,839 100 17 Florida 2 16,581 86.4 18 Buffalo 2 16,019 85.7 19 Los Angeles 3 15,406 85 20 Anaheim 3 15,199 88.5 21 Winnipeg 1 15,004 99.9 22 New Jersey 3 13,992 79.4 23 Pittsburgh 4 13,894 76.8 24 NY Islanders 4 13,376 82.4 25 Philadelphia 3 13,092 67.1 26 Columbus 4 11,394 62.8 27 Dallas 4 9,461 51.1 28 Phoenix 3 9,394 54.9 29 Colorado 2 9,003 50 30 NY Rangers 0 0 --
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Post by swervinmervin on Oct 21, 2011 6:29:33 GMT -6
I wanted to post it again, but cutting out another column or 2. The NYR haven't had a home game yet as of the day these stats were tabulated. These are the average home attendance to date, using announced attendance figures. The last data point for each row is the percent of arena capacity. I have 3 points to make - 1) Edmonton and Calgary are both selling out every game. Stub hub prices for those 2 markets are irrelevant, since the clubs take in revenues based on the actual selling price, not the resale price. Other data says that the actual average ticket prices in Edmonton in Calgary are good, and among the highest in the league. When you're selling out games every game, you won't have too much trouble with low ticket prices - at least for what the club is taking in for revenues. 2) I was sadly surprised to see Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with attendance in the 13,000's, and well below capacity. 3) When a facility is FAR from capacity every night, it creates a negative feedback loop. People in that market begin to think that they shouldn't have to pay full price for a ticket, since there is excess supply of tickets. "I'll look for a bargain price" is the idea that takes hold. In this situation, the stub hub price may be closer to the actual ticket transaction price for the club. It won't be the same as the actual ticket transaction price, but it may be closer to the actual transaction price for the club. Source - ESPN - see following link espn.go.com/nhl/attendance
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Post by swervinmervin on Oct 21, 2011 6:47:47 GMT -6
Re Calgary stub hub prices - people who live there tell me that the worst seats in the Saddledome are actually very poor seats (capacity is over 19,000). So, if the low stub hub sale price is for those poor seats, then that stub hub price for the cheap seats doesn't tell much of the overall story for Calgary - esp. when they are selling out their full capacity of over 19,000 seats every game.
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