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Post by iliketherangers on Oct 21, 2011 21:50:41 GMT -6
and BTW the kings have only had one actual home game this season which they sold out. Those numbers included the europe games in which the attendence was poor
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Oct 21, 2011 21:59:41 GMT -6
This picture was sent to me by someone that attended the Kings vs PHX game yesterday:
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Post by JimmyMann on Oct 21, 2011 22:04:50 GMT -6
^^^^clearly someone pulled the fire alarm^^^^^
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Post by Ric O. on Oct 21, 2011 22:49:27 GMT -6
So, i derived the following from actual gamesheets found on NHL.com; therefore,its more accurate than what ESPN is reporting. Updated as of Oct 20th, 2011 games. TEAM/Avg.Attend/GP CHI 21,641 3 MTL 21,273 3 DET 20,066 2 PHA 19,645 3 TOR 19,443 5 CGY 19,289 3 STL 19,150 2 VCR 18,860 3 TMP 18,693 2 OTT 18,668 4 WSH 18,506 4 PIT 18,495 4 COL 17,765 2 BOS 17,565 4 SJS 17,562 3 CAR 17,376 2 MIN 17,330 4 NSH 17,113 2 EDM 16,839 4 FLA 16,582 2 BUF 16,020 2 LAK 15,406 3 AHM 15,199 3 WPG 15,004 2 NJD 13,992 3 NYI 13,376 4 PHX 11,770 3 CLB 11,395 4 DAL 9,461 4 NYR 0 * *NYR haven't played a home game yet. Good work...for some reason ESPN's attendance page is completely out of whack right now.
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Oct 22, 2011 11:19:47 GMT -6
Coyotes only draw 7,100 to Kings game Mike Sunnucks Senior Reporter - Phoenix Business Journal Memo to National Hockey League commissioner Gary Bettman: You probably don’t want schedule too many Phoenix Coyotes Phoenix Coyotes home games against the Los Angeles Kings on weeknights in October. The Coyotes have struggled to draw fans to weeknight games early in the season against teams that aren’t from Canada or don’t have transplant following here in Arizona (i.e. Detroit, Chicago, Boston). Consequently, the Coyotes had an announced crowd of 7,128 fans at Thursday’s 2-0 loss to Kings. Some arena staff at the game estimated the crowd as smaller than that pegging its 5,000 to 6,000.fans. Jobing.com Arena in Glendale seats 17,100 fans for hockey. The Coyotes sold-out their home opener Saturday with an overflow crowd of 17,132. Phoenix drew an announced crowd of 11,000 on Tuesday against the Chicago Blackhawks (which had plenty of fans in the stands). That figure might have also been a little generous but there was a decent weeknight crowd for the Chicago win. The Coyotes aren’t alone in announcing attendance that might not completely match actual fans in the stands. Pro sports teams will sometimes announce crowds as the number of tickets sold and not the supporters actually in the seats. There were a number of season ticket holders not at the Thursday Phoenix-L.A. game, according to arena officials working the game. The NHL has owned the Coyotes since 2009 and is trying to forge deal before Christmas to keep the team here and have them not owned by the league. Attendance during football season has been a challenge for the franchise as has getting fans to game on weeknights, especially when the opponents are from other warm weather markets. www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/morning_call/2011/10/coyotes-only-draw-7100-to-kings-game.htmlPictures from the game published by the Phoenix Business Journal:
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Post by JimmyMann on Oct 22, 2011 11:28:58 GMT -6
Say it can be so. I thought a very reliable poster has said the pictures were from a pre-season game.
A picture tells 25 million dollars words
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 11:51:45 GMT -6
Guess I was wrong as I knew there were a few more than that photo. From scoreboard, hard to see, could be final minute and half or so of period or game, thus our from seat neighbors STH friends not being there: they left with a few minutes left. Never left seat during game play until then.
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Post by quackbeth on Oct 22, 2011 15:22:24 GMT -6
15,000 is good for the LA market, especially as there are two teams there splitting the interests...and that'll pick up when 1. the teams make the playoffs, which they both almost certainly will this year, and 2. When the economy rebounds, California was hit HARD by the housing bubble's popping and other such effects of the Great Recession
But PHX and DAL just look pathetic.
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Post by enarwpg on Oct 22, 2011 20:40:16 GMT -6
15,000 is good for the LA market, especially as there are two teams there splitting the interests...and that'll pick up when 1. the teams make the playoffs, which they both almost certainly will this year, and 2. When the economy rebounds, California was hit HARD by the housing bubble's popping and other such effects of the Great Recession But PHX and DAL just look pathetic. 15,000 is good? I don't think so considering the population of California is 37,254,000, all of Canada 34,350,000.
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Post by quackbeth on Oct 23, 2011 15:58:54 GMT -6
"5,000 is good?
I don't think so considering the population of California is 37,254,000, all of Canada 34,350,000."
Honda Center seats 17,000 for hockey...
So we have 15,000/17,000 possible...WITH the Kings ALSO drawing across the street.
15,000=88% capacity...
That's respectable for having cross-town rivals who also are playoff bound, yes?
That's respectable period, I think...sellouts are better, but I'll freely admit--
We're not Canada, hockey is the 2nd or 3rd sport to many down here, and so sellouts are fewer...
That being said--88% and 15,000 beats less than 50% and maybe 5,000, yes?
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Post by quackbeth on Oct 23, 2011 16:02:44 GMT -6
15,000 or thereabouts, I think, is the benchmark for respectability in NHL attendance.
The smallest arena, the MTS in Winnipeg, seats about 15,000...
And for most other arenas, like Honda Center, 15K=about 85% capacity or so.
85%=a B grade, and a B is respectable...
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Post by iliketherangers on Oct 23, 2011 19:43:40 GMT -6
15,000 or thereabouts, I think, is the benchmark for respectability in NHL attendance. The smallest arena, the MTS in Winnipeg, seats about 15,000... And for most other arenas, like Honda Center, 15K=about 85% capacity or so. 85%=a B grade, and a B is respectable... ur right quackbeth, the economy is pretty bad down here. The Kings are definetely the bigger deal, as there are more corporate suites and support. As a kings fan, I give anahiem credit. I expect every team to sellout, but 15,000 is decent. No less though
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Post by Douggy-D on Oct 23, 2011 20:09:31 GMT -6
Same with the Devils. Their crowds are nothing to ride home about but not bad considering that we don't even have the state to ourselves. Nearly everyone in South NJ is a Flyers fan. All the people down there root for the Philly teams. For example, I was in Ocean City last month (Which is deep in South NJ) and walking up and down the boardwalk I saw TONS of people wearing Phillies shirts. I saw some Flyers shirts as well. It was crazy. Also, at the sports apparel stores down there, its hard to find any shirts of teams in the NY Metropolitan Area. It's all the Philly teams.
Not to mention that most Devils fans live in Northern to Central NJ and we don't even have that part to ourselves (I live in Northern NJ, about 10-15 minutes away from the border between New York State and about 1/2 hour from New York City). Many Ranger fans live here, although it is more Devil fans.
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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Oct 23, 2011 22:59:33 GMT -6
ALso for attendance figures we have to consider ticket prices. A team may sell out a game, but what if their ticket prices average isn't even $40? If they draw an average of 14000 per game, they aren't going to survive for very long. Even worse if they give away plenty of tickets.
Also when only 5000 people out of the 10000 ticket owners shows up, this means only 5000 people actually buying food and stuff.
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 24, 2011 0:11:22 GMT -6
15,000 is good for the LA market, especially as there are two teams there splitting the interests...and that'll pick up when 1. the teams make the playoffs, which they both almost certainly will this year, and 2. When the economy rebounds, California was hit HARD by the housing bubble's popping and other such effects of the Great Recession But PHX and DAL just look pathetic. I agree. Not every team is going to be a Toronto or New York Rangers. Anaheim is no Phoenix or Atlanta. I think all the talk about Dallas doing so bad is overblown too. Yes the attendance is horrific this year. But the economy is in the dumps which it won't be forever, the Rangers are in the world series and the Stars lost Mike Modano and Brad Richards in back to back offseasons. Teams go through slumps sometimes. In the Stars 17 seasons in Dallas not counting this one they have only been under the league average in attendance 3 times!!! Not a market worth giving up on.
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