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Post by wolfmannick on Jan 24, 2019 11:06:58 GMT -6
Love the Analysis Mike, I agree this is doom for the Coyotes, but Bettman hates quebec so it could just mean houston or KC if they can find a sucker to take them there. I think Houston is next for the NHL
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 25, 2019 3:15:34 GMT -6
Love the Analysis Mike, I agree this is doom for the Coyotes, but Bettman hates quebec so it could just mean houston or KC if they can find a sucker to take them there. Don't see anyone stepping up in KC given the market size and 2 other teams. Houston makes the most sense if the league is anti-Quebec but I'm getting the sense they could be anti-Houston too. Many northern fans are pro Houston so the league could look at Houston as part of the north even though it's located south in swamp land. Plus with Dallas being so successful that is a strike against Houston since the NHL loves failure. I predict Bettman and the NHL are nuts and let them rot in Arizona and lose $20M+ per year perpetually. You know there has been some talk of NHL to Austin. The College is building an arena with Oak View though no word on if it's NHL compatible or how revenue sharing would work for a team with Oak View and the University. Austin is the fastest growing city in either Canada or the US, there is no other competition other than the university. I think it would be a good move(along with Quebec and Houston).
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 25, 2019 3:18:55 GMT -6
Phoenix approved a Suns arena renovation deal. But could it still head to voters?Opinion: A group called Common Sense Phoenix says it intends to collect 27,000 signatures in 30 days to refer the Talking Stick Resort Arena deal to Corrections and clarification: The article has been updated to reflect the number of signatures required to qualify the measure on the ballot. Could the the Phoenix Suns arena renovation deal be the latest cause celebre of naysayers out to circumvent the Phoenix City Council by going straight to voters? It looks that way. Seems there’s a group of people upset by the $230 million agreement approved by the council late Wednesday afternoon that's seeking a referendum that would give the public an up or down vote on the matter. Drew Chavez of Petition Partners, a Phoenix outfit that runs a majority of initiative petitions in the state, said a committee calling itself “Common Sense Phoenix” is set to file paperwork Friday. Group says a vote 'would be a public service' “The group and my firm are serious,” Chavez said in an email. The group would have 30 days to gather roughly 13,700 signatures of registered Phoenix voters to qualify the referendum for an election. (There’ll actually be two referenda given there were two council actions — one on the agreement and the other granting authorization to issue bonds to pay for the renovation.) Chavez declined to identify committee members, only to say he has been approached in recent weeks by close to half a dozen people who believe the city is committing too much to upgrade the Suns' home. He issued a statement from Common Sense Phoenix: “This seems like a situation where the voters of Phoenix very well may want to weigh in. If we can give them a chance to do so, it would be a public service. We’re talking about millions of dollars that could be spent on public safety or repairing our streets instead of fixing up the arena for the Suns and their billionaire owner.” Measure may be 1 of 3 on Phoenix ballot As for his confidence of gathering sufficient signatures in a month’s time, Chavez says his outfit will secure 27,000 signatures. The direct democracy route on the arena would certainly add to a strange year in Phoenix. Two other initiatives seek to do what the city council wouldn’t. One would halt light rail expansion and redirect the city portion of funding toward street improvements; that measure has been certified by the city but faces a challenge in court. The other would reform how city pension obligations are calculated and funded. It awaits verification of the petition signatures. The trio of measures is remarkable given that citizen initiatives and referendums are often considered a tool of the left — increasing the minimum wage, legalizing recreational marijuana, mandating clean energy, etc. Here, all three are grounded on conservative principles. With the Suns arena referendum, it is the opposition to what’s viewed as corporate welfare or subsidies. There are those who wanted, all along, a public vote on the matter. but because Talking Stick Resort Arena is not a new structure, Phoenix needed only city council approval to reach a deal. The referendum would make a public vote real — and final. (One possible wrinkle: The council could itself rescind the deal instead of calling an election, and essentially restart negotiations with the team.) But is Common Sense Phoenix and its efforts real? We’ll know in about 30 days. www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2019/01/24/suns-arena-renovation-referendum/2665253002/
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 25, 2019 21:53:29 GMT -6
Jordan Rose, founder and president of Rose Law Group, who represents the Phoenix Suns, says: “The action of the council was an administrative, non-referable act, and the Courts will ultimately decide. This petition company is not inexpensive to gather that many signatures–someone will be spending hundreds of thousands of dollars–so this is absolutely not some grassroots effort. While the huge money interest behind this clearly wants to remain secretive and under the cover of darkness, we will be able to find out their true identities in court. It’s strange because once residents realized the only people paying for the upgrades to the arena are the Suns and tourists, they overwhelmingly supported the proposal. There is someone out there with wealth and a desire to diminish downtown Phoenix. Luckily, the court action will reveal their identity.” roselawgroupreporter.com/2019/01/phoenix-approved-a-suns-arena-renovation-deal-but-could-it-still-head-to-voters-rose-law-group-founder-and-president-jordan-rose-comments/
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 25, 2019 21:54:08 GMT -6
You are a lawyer Bruinsfan. Who's in the right here the team or the guys who want to file the petition?
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jan 26, 2019 13:24:32 GMT -6
You are a lawyer Bruinsfan. Who's in the right here the team or the guys who want to file the petition? From a lawyer standpoint, Arizona always seems to find a way around referendums when giving billionaires cash. I’m curious as to who the big pockets the suns are signaling out and if it’s actually the coyotes behind it because they are mad they were left out.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 26, 2019 14:13:43 GMT -6
You are a lawyer Bruinsfan. Who's in the right here the team or the guys who want to file the petition? From a lawyer standpoint, Arizona always seems to find a way around referendums when giving billionaires cash. I’m curious as to who the big pockets the suns are signaling out and if it’s actually the coyotes behind it because they are mad they were left out. Don't think it's the Coyotes. Sounds like they will get enough signatures. Drew Chavez @drewchavez 14h14 hours ago More Drew Chavez Retweeted Drew Chavez My bad 1290 on each measure.Drew Chavez added, @drewchavez 1171 signatures each on both @suns referendum issues. We started at 3pm. May be done in 2 weeks. ☄️🇺🇸
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 28, 2019 20:12:36 GMT -6
You are a lawyer Bruinsfan. Who's in the right here the team or the guys who want to file the petition? From a lawyer standpoint, Arizona always seems to find a way around referendums when giving billionaires cash. I’m curious as to who the big pockets the suns are signaling out and if it’s actually the coyotes behind it because they are mad they were left out. I think you might be right about the Coyotes! Just an idiotic move to fool with the longest standing Arizona sports team. Jason Rose PR @jasonrosepr What other #Arizona sports franchise, if any, is messing with #Phoenix/Suns arena approval? #ThereAreNoSecrets # PaybackCanBeAUKnowWhat
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 29, 2019 2:09:28 GMT -6
Will Phoenix try to keep you from voting on the Suns arena deal?Opinion: Who is behind the petition drive, and is the city trying to find a way to prevent a public vote? The evidence points to 'yes' on the second question. Two big questions loom on the referendum efforts against the city of Phoenix's $230 million deal to renovate the Phoenix Suns arena: Who is behind the petition drive? And is the city trying to find a way to prevent a public vote? The answers are elusive, although the evidence seems to point to "yes" on the second question. The city is meeting Tuesday in executive session – that is, behind closed doors – and one of the items for "discussion and consultation" with in-house legal counsel is the referendum petitions. (There are two because of separate city council actions – one on the agreement and the second on the granting of authorization to issue bonds to pay for the renovation.) The buzz at city hall is that Phoenix management may look to find an out that would make the council actions "non-referable" to a public vote.What the city might argue on its votes One way would be to interpret the votes as administrative actions, not policy actions, and thus not be subject to a referendum. That would be a very liberal interpretation given that administrative actions tend to rely on statutes and standards to guide the decisions. Many zoning or land-use cases, for instance, fit the administrative-action category. On the other hand, the Suns arena agreement – the basic deal is that the city would pay $150 million in renovations with tax dollars from its Sports Facilities Fund, while the Suns would pay the remaining $80 million and any cost overruns – was based on two-plus years of negotiations, with a late series of amendments to squeeze the Suns for more commitment to city programs, that were decided, at least in parts, by political values of individual council members. Hard to fashion an administrative-action argument using that framework. Who's funding this? Good question Mike Dwyer, a Phoenix resident, speaks during a public hearing to discuss the pending renovation cost for Talking Stick Resort Arena in Phoenix. Nathan J. Fish, The Republic | azcentral.com Harder – for the moment, at least – is determining who is underwriting a six-figure campaign to force a public vote on the matter. Drew Chavez, owner of the petition-circulating company Petition Partners, declines to reveal who is paying for the referendum, other than to say the individuals believe the city shouldn't be paying subsidies to billionaire Suns owner Robert Sarver and it entered into a bad deal. The two individuals listed on the Common Sense Phoenix committee behind the referenda are affiliated with Petition Partners, and Chavez brushes off concerns of dark-money influence. He should understand the optics aren't good: It's one thing to take on an ultrarich sports franchise owner on behalf of taxpayers, it's another to shield the person or group taking the swing at him.Chavez said the outfit has 60 circulators out in the field and will collect twice the number of needed valid signatures – roughly 13,700 are required – to qualify the measures over the next four weeks. Should the city find a way to declare the council actions administrative and force a legal fight, the identity(ies) may come forward and be revealed regardless. All this is admittedly conjecture. The executive session may prove to be an innocuous discussion. Anything more, however, runs risky for the city. Finding a way to blunt direct democracy tends to have that effect. www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2019/01/28/phoenix-suns-talking-stick-resort-arena-deal-referendum/2703720002/
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 2, 2019 7:54:44 GMT -6
Are the referenda on Suns arena renovation deal DOA? To quote: "On Thursday, an attorney retained by Phoenix notified the group behind the referenda that the city clerk’s office will reject and otherwise not process the petitions when they are submitted. The basis for that? The council actions on the $230 million renovation deal “do not constitute legislative acts subject to referendum,” according to the attorney, Jean-Jacques Cabou of Perkins Coie. Drew Chavez, who operates Petition Partners, won’t disclose who is writing the check. Nor has he responded to requests to comment on the city’s letter, although he previously said attorneys that the group consulted conclude there’s “no way” the council votes constitute administrative actions — and thus, would be subject to referendum." Source: www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/abekwok/2019/02/01/suns-arena-renovation-deal-referendum-public-vote-dead/2746183002/
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 5, 2019 16:30:55 GMT -6
Anti-arena group drops referendum on Phoenix Suns arena fundingAn attempt to send the controversial $230 million Phoenix Suns arena renovation deal to the voters is dead, The Arizona Republic confirmed Tuesday. The Phoenix City Council approved the deal, which will keep the Suns in downtown Phoenix through at least 2037, in late January. But a group calling itself Common Sense Phoenix immediately launched a referendum campaign — hoping to collect enough signatures to send the deal to the ballot later this year and give voters the final say. Attorneys for Phoenix sent Common Sense Phoenix a letter late last week warning that the city clerk would not accept its petitions because only "legislative acts" are subject to referendum, and the city does not believe the arena deal was a "legislative act." Rather than fight the city in court, the group is bowing out. "After careful consideration and long conversations with my clients, we have decided to pull the plug on our petition effort to refer the Phoenix Suns arena deal to the ballot," Petition Partners owner Drew Chavez said in a statement.
We thank the thousands of voters who signed the petitions over the past week. Rather than press ahead with a bitter conflict, we believe it is time for the city to move forward to more important issues and less partisan battles," he said. Chavez has refused to disclose who was paying for the referendum effort. City officials said they will proceed with the Suns deal as planned. "City staff is continuing to move forward with next steps to renovate the arena based on the ordinances the council approved on Jan. 23, 2019," Phoenix spokeswoman Julie Watters said in a statement. www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2019/02/05/common-sense-phoenix-drops-referendum-phoenix-suns-talking-stick-resort-arena-funding/2772188002/
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 5, 2019 16:40:58 GMT -6
The threats to try and derail any Coyotes future arena caused the Coyotes to drop this.
A few thoughts
-Very happy to see the suns staying in Talking Resort Arena. Every early 90's arena in the NBA has been renovated. It would be a waste to build a new arena anywhere in the area for either the Suns or Coyotes. Glad too they stay downtown. The tribe land is NOT the right location for an arena. Currently every arena is located downtown in the NBA though that might change with a new LA Clippers arena in Inglewood(see below)
-The Los Angeles Clippers are the only NBA team left wanting a new arena though it might be a ploy to get a better tenant deal at the Staples Center. If not they want an arena next to the Rams/Chargers new stadium in Inglewood.
-Memphis and New Orleans while not needing new arenas may need a new market(Seattle) The Anthony Davis thing is very bad for New Orleans.
By sport teams that want new facilities/renovations that are NOT currently 100% done in terms of approvals
NBA
1. LA Clippers(Not a relocation candidate, they are a top 10 $ team, it will be Inglewood or Staples Center lease extension)
NFL
1. Washington 2. Buffalo(likely a renovation since the areas is so small and poor the people can't pay for fancy club seats/boxes
MLB
1. Oakland 2. Tampa Bay 3. LA Angels(most likely a renovation by developing the parking lot, they are rich and not a relocation candidate) 4. Arizona Diamondbacks(renovation or new park on tribe land by their spring training facility, not a relocation candidate)
NHL
1. New York Islanders(may break ground on Belmont arena this spring) 2. Calgary 3. Ottawa 4. Arizona?(trying for a new arena, may need a new market, most likely thing is to stay and rot in Glendale and lose $20M plus because the NHL won't admit they are wrong) 5. Buffalo(renovation) 6. Nashville(renovation)
The last 2 aren't big deals and will get done easily.
There's also rumors in the NBA the state of Indiana is going to get a jump and renovate the Pacers arena this session so maybe I should have listed that. There's also rumblings of the Tennessee Titans wanting a renovation in the NFL. There is also the dream of the Chargers moving back to San Diego in a new stadium. The voters approved a small cheap college stadium last November that can be expanded some day for NFL.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jun 20, 2019 12:32:33 GMT -6
From a lawyer standpoint, Arizona always seems to find a way around referendums when giving billionaires cash. I’m curious as to who the big pockets the suns are signaling out and if it’s actually the coyotes behind it because they are mad they were left out. I think you might be right about the Coyotes! Just an idiotic move to fool with the longest standing Arizona sports team. Jason Rose PR @jasonrosepr What other #Arizona sports franchise, if any, is messing with #Phoenix/Suns arena approval? #ThereAreNoSecrets # PaybackCanBeAUKnowWhatYup it seemed fishy!
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 20, 2019 22:14:12 GMT -6
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 20, 2019 3:20:29 GMT -6
Phoenix Suns Unveil New Casino Arizona Pavilion Rendering The Phoenix Suns have unveiled a rendering of a new Casino Arizona Pavilion, part of upcoming renovations at the team’s Talking Stick Resort Arena. In what represents an early visual for the renovation project, the Suns released a rendering Friday that depicts a drastically overhauled Casino Arizona Pavilion. The focuses of this upgrade will be on creating more gathering space within the arena and improving technology. According to information provided by the Suns, the redesigned Casino Arizona Pavilion will feature 8,500-square feet of LED screens and a communal space with views of the arena’s inner bowl. Plans for the Casino Arizona Pavilion emerge as the Suns plot a major renovation at Talking Resort Arena. The renovation project moved forward in January, when the Phoenix City council approved a $150 million contribution from the city’s Sports Facilities Fund toward the $230 million public-private partnership with the team. The renovation, which is being branded by the Suns as Project 201: PHX Reimaginged, is aimed at improving arena infrastructure while enhancing the fan experience through upgrades in areas such as technology. Construction work is currently expected to begin in the spring, with the revamped Casino Arizona Pavilion being completed in time for the 2020-21 NBA season. Talking Stick Resort Arena first opened in 1992, and is currently the fourth-oldest venue in the NBA. arenadigest.com/2019/11/08/phoenix-suns-unveil-new-casino-arizona-pavilion-rendering/
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