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Post by lovethejets on Aug 19, 2020 7:05:43 GMT -6
I too was crying watching the Dale tributes...he was a great ambassador of the game and our city....a class act indeed.
I hoped he would end up behind our bench as head coach one day to monster cheers at the hanger. very sad news. I have never forgiven the Flames for that Macoun cheap shot at Ducky in the playoffs that busted his ribs. I will always cheer against the Flames for that. Go Stars.
F@#$ cancer.
My very best to the Hawerchuk family.
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Post by jamiequirk17 on Aug 19, 2020 8:50:28 GMT -6
Heart broken for Dale, his family and all his fans in Winnipeg and beyond.
Wonderful that Chipman was able to tell Dale last weekend that the jets will be building a statue in his honour.
RIP #10
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 19, 2020 9:14:57 GMT -6
10 should be retired. But not until the arena is filled with fans. That's the right way to do it
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Post by sportsmem817 on Aug 19, 2020 11:27:15 GMT -6
He was one of the best. here is a short video tribute to Dale. RIP  |
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Post by bcjet on Aug 19, 2020 14:21:34 GMT -6
I too was crying watching the Dale tributes...he was a great ambassador of the game and our city....a class act indeed. I hoped he would end up behind our bench as head coach one day to monster cheers at the hanger. very sad news. I have never forgiven the Flames for that Macoun cheap shot at Ducky in the playoffs that busted his ribs. I will always cheer against the Flames for that. Go Stars. F@#$ cancer. My very best to the Hawerchuk family. I hoped he would have been behind the bench too, he was a class act. Very sad. RIP. |
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Post by rainmanrh on Aug 19, 2020 14:32:55 GMT -6
92 reported TN is going to erect a statue of Dale.
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Post by iceland2018 on Aug 19, 2020 18:31:18 GMT -6
What does one say...great Jet, great person and family man. Gone too soon. Rest in peace Ducky. Mr Chipman has shown loyalty to his players, coaches,employees,city, and province. Perhaps too much at times ? Amen. F**k Mike Smith. F**k Cancer |
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Post by Ric O. on Aug 19, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -6
He was one of the best. here is a short video tribute to Dale. RIP Nicely done, thank you for sharing this. |
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Post by ekjet72 on Aug 20, 2020 21:39:15 GMT -6
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 21, 2020 6:24:53 GMT -6
because management and ownership, in particular, back then were in way over their heads - no cash and no business acumen |
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Post by Tracker on Aug 21, 2020 8:54:10 GMT -6
"Death is not the extinguishing of the light.
It is putting out the lamp because dawn has come”.
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Post by Ric O. on Aug 21, 2020 9:08:34 GMT -6
It was a long time ago but if I remember it right, Hawerchuk wasn't happy with how Bob Murdoch was running the lineup and cutting his minutes. Mike Smith sided with the coach and granted Ducky's trade request. Murdoch won coach of the year in Hawerchuk's final year. Team crashed and burned the next season without Ducky and Murdoch didn't have much of an NHL coaching career after that.
I think moving impact players in and out at the pleasure of the coach is usually a mistake, but I guess it still happens. It's rare but some coaches are maybe bigger than the team mainly because they are so respected by the players...a guy like Scotty Bowman in the old days or maybe Trotz today. Murdoch was obviously nowhere near that class.
Agree though that ownership was a major problem, what with the government owning 36% of the team and having the power to dictate the payroll in exchange for covering losses. What were they thinking??? I think it's probably true that the coach was just icing on the cake and Hawerchuk could see if he was ever going to win a Cup it was pretty hopeless here the way things were going.
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Post by iceland2018 on Aug 21, 2020 14:07:48 GMT -6
It was a long time ago but if I remember it right, Hawerchuk wasn't happy with how Bob Murdoch was running the lineup and cutting his minutes. Mike Smith sided with the coach and granted Ducky's trade request. Murdoch won coach of the year in Hawerchuk's final year. Team crashed and burned the next season without Ducky and Murdoch didn't have much of an NHL coaching career after that. I think moving impact players in and out at the pleasure of the coach is usually a mistake, but I guess it still happens. It's rare but some coaches are maybe bigger than the team mainly because they are so respected by the players...a guy like Scotty Bowman in the old days or maybe Trotz today. Murdoch was obviously nowhere near that class. Agree though that ownership was a major problem, what with the government owning 36% of the team and having the power to dictate the payroll in exchange for covering losses. What were they thinking??? I think it's probably true that the coach was just icing on the cake and Hawerchuk could see if he was ever going to win a Cup it was pretty hopeless here the way things were going. From everything I have heard, it was Mike Smith alone that ran out Hawerchuk. He may not have cared for Murdoch, but almost immediately after Fergie was let go in the fall of 1988, Ducky was having problems with Smith. Mike Smith developed a reputation for conflicts with his top stars, and he would have a fallout with Phil Housley as well a few years later. I never recall Ducky saying anything that bad about Murdoch, and to be fair maybe Smith was meddling in the background, and it resulted in Ducky's ice time being cut. It's also peculiar that for most of his tenure, Hawerchuk was the sole captain of the Jets, until the last season, where he was forced to share the honors with a couple of other Jets, which never made any sense. Hawerchuk has even gone on record, saying that he always thought he would play out his entire career in Winnipeg, but Mike Smith made that impossible for him. And when John Ferguson, the man who drafted Hawerchuk, lost his job as GM, No. 10’s days were numbered.
During the 1990 draft, Mike Smith traded him to Buffalo.
“Mike Smith and I never seemed to see eye-to-eye,” Hawerchuk said. “Right from Day 1 when I got there, he wasn’t one of my big supporters in the organization. And he kind of let me know that… and I guess I resented it the rest of my time there.”
source: winnipegsun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets/hawerchuk-to-join-hot-line-in-jets-hall-of-fame |
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Post by Ric O. on Aug 21, 2020 21:25:30 GMT -6
Yeah, good memory, now that you post that I do recall reading that Ducky quote about Mike Smith. Based on that, as he said, there was a lot of resentment stewing there. At the time when Murdoch was here though I remember pretty clearly it being mentioned by at least one media outlet (can't remember the exact source...CJOB or Freep probably), that Hawerchuk was very unhappy with his ice being cut by Murdoch to roll 4 lines more or less equally. Maybe it was the last straw because next thing you know, the trade. Such a shame. In any case, Smith was the guy in charge so I agree that's where the blame ultimately belonged.
Mike Smith, I think was a forgettable GM as far as building a winning team goes. But I think he was viewed as the right nickel and dimer for that era of Jets who needed someone to keep the payroll in the bottom third of the league. Not surprisingly we got what we paid for. |
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Post by ddanger on Aug 22, 2020 19:14:10 GMT -6
My wife and I drove downtown this afternoon to True North square. First of all, what an amazing place. We went to see the Dale Hawerchuk tribute, and that was a heartbreaking and emotional time for both of us. Strongly recommend going down there if you can. You won't be disappointed with the venue or the video tribute. This organization is such a class act.
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