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Post by Tracker on Sept 16, 2020 8:17:29 GMT -6
Ladd is ancient history as is Buff now and probably Little too, so although Chevy's hand has been forced on that for the most part, you could say we've already moved on from what we knew as the core not long ago. The influence of Wheeler is too strong in the room and with Maurice, so he's a fly in the ointment once you've decided you're turning over the team to the next generation... and you can't very well take the captaincy away from him so he regrettably should go (plus, he just doesn't look like the player who also peaked in 2018).
No I don't think Chevy will do this and it's just my opinion of course.
As far as Laine trade talk goes, that was started by Saravelli out of Toronto, right? I can't believe the Islanders paid so much for Ladd. Trading him away was a huge win for the Jets, as it opened up cap space. Wheeler will likely play with the Jets for at least a couple more years, as I can't see him going anywhere. If a coach with a great track record comes around, we should seriously look at cutting Maurice loose. He was an OK coach, but his run is approaching 7 years. Little will likely be going on the LTIR, and may not ever play again. The Jets need a #2C and hopefully an experienced top RHD. The only way I see obtaining that, is to trade either Laine, Ehlers, or Connor. Little is probably done, and the Jets' needs are pretty well agreed upon by all and sundry. I don't see Maurice going anywhere but Chevy's future here may well be decided by how well he fills the gaps in the Jet lineup this season. Having the NHL back is nice, but Chevy has to show that the past season was an anomaly, not what we ought to expect.
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Post by grumpy on Sept 16, 2020 15:19:06 GMT -6
I just listened to TSN's Drive home from yesterday. Craig Button was emphatic that both Heinola and Samberg are NHL ready for 20-21. Samberg moreso than Heinola.
He said that with Morrissey and Pionk and Poolman , plus Heinola and Samberg the Jets are pretty set on defense for the coming season. Need to sign a UFA or trade for someone to fill in the top 6.
He didn't mention anyone but Hamonic, Dillon and Demelo would be on my 2 out of 3 list.
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Post by grumpy on Sept 16, 2020 15:20:59 GMT -6
Really interesting that Minny extended Brodin with a 6x7 that kicks in 2021-22.. I was expecting that there would be a lot of teams with internal CAPS... Without the ticket sale revenue the break even on players salaries is 63M. Any cap over 63M means the owners with be lending money to the Players that the player will pay back out of escrow when revenues go up.
I won't be surprised when the Jets don't spend up to the CAP and go bargain hunting on UFA contracts.
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Post by Tracker on Sept 16, 2020 16:34:07 GMT -6
Gonna be a VERY interesting coupke of months for not only the Jets but for many, if not most NHL teams as they try to juggle their big-dollar contracts along with reduced salary caps, both NHL caps and internal caps. Darned few teams are going to not have sharply reduced incomes.
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Post by grumpy on Sept 17, 2020 14:30:35 GMT -6
there is a rumor that Dumba is on the market. The Wild will have trouble protecting him in the expansion draft. The Jets are supposed to be a contender but the Wild want a top-6 Centre.
Guerin just traded their #1C Eric Staal out to Buffalo for Marcus Johansson who is getting paid more than Staal with both having a year left on their contract. He signed their #4 D Brodin to a 7 year 6M deal. Remember in the playoffs 2 years ago how Brodin shut down Scheif and Laine..... yep neither do I as it never happened.
The closet thing that sort of makes sense is Ehlers for Dumba. Jets need to run away. Carson Soucy is 26 Year old UFA 6-5 210 D-man that was team best +16 on the Wild in his rookie year. Sign Soucy and keep Ehlers
The Wild had their Big 4 defense for the whole season and finished behind the Jets who were Playing Sbisa and Kulikov in the top-4 when they weren't hurt.
Maybe offer Perreault and the rights to Little as Guerin seems to want a high draft pick and be interviewing coaches twice a year.
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 17, 2020 20:21:40 GMT -6
I can't believe the Islanders paid so much for Ladd. Trading him away was a huge win for the Jets, as it opened up cap space. Wheeler will likely play with the Jets for at least a couple more years, as I can't see him going anywhere. If a coach with a great track record comes around, we should seriously look at cutting Maurice loose. He was an OK coach, but his run is approaching 7 years. Little will likely be going on the LTIR, and may not ever play again. The Jets need a #2C and hopefully an experienced top RHD. The only way I see obtaining that, is to trade either Laine, Ehlers, or Connor. Little is probably done, and the Jets' needs are pretty well agreed upon by all and sundry. I don't see Maurice going anywhere but Chevy's future here may well be decided by how well he fills the gaps in the Jet lineup this season. Having the NHL back is nice, but Chevy has to show that the past season was an anomaly, not what we ought to expect. Firing Chevy would be a colossal mistake. He is one of the better GM's. People in Winnipeg need to realize that Winnipeg is arguably the lest desirable NHL city to play in. It is on most players NMC, so he is at a huge disadvantage. This is why the Jets are primarily a draft and develop team. If we look at the situation in Edmonton, Ottawa, and Buffalo (3 teams that always make the NMC list), the Jets have done an amazing job with the disadvantage they have.
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Post by Tracker on Sept 17, 2020 20:33:46 GMT -6
Little is probably done, and the Jets' needs are pretty well agreed upon by all and sundry. I don't see Maurice going anywhere but Chevy's future here may well be decided by how well he fills the gaps in the Jet lineup this season. Having the NHL back is nice, but Chevy has to show that the past season was an anomaly, not what we ought to expect. Firing Chevy would be a colossal mistake. He is one of the better GM's. People in Winnipeg need to realize that Winnipeg is arguably the lest desirable NHL city to play in. It is on most players NMC, so he is at a huge disadvantage. This is why the Jets are primarily a draft and develop team. If we look at the situation in Edmonton, Ottawa, and Buffalo (3 teams that always make the NMC list), the Jets have done an amazing job with the disadvantage they have. I like Chevy as a GM- he had to start from scratch, in some ways worse that a new franchise in that he assumed some bad contracts and players as part of the Thrasher purchase. But so far he has had 10 years and the team has been in decline. The team has a window of maybe two years and he has to get to the Cup final. and Winnipeg is a better destination to play in than Phoenix or Miami, to name a couple.
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 17, 2020 21:55:38 GMT -6
Firing Chevy would be a colossal mistake. He is one of the better GM's. People in Winnipeg need to realize that Winnipeg is arguably the lest desirable NHL city to play in. It is on most players NMC, so he is at a huge disadvantage. This is why the Jets are primarily a draft and develop team. If we look at the situation in Edmonton, Ottawa, and Buffalo (3 teams that always make the NMC list), the Jets have done an amazing job with the disadvantage they have. I like Chevy as a GM- he had to start from scratch, in some ways worse that a new franchise in that he assumed some bad contracts and players as part of the Thrasher purchase. But so far he has had 10 years and the team has been in decline. The team has a window of maybe two years and he has to get to the Cup final. and Winnipeg is a better destination to play in than Phoenix or Miami, to name a couple. Last season, the Jets just had bad luck. Byfuglien screwed over the team by not informing the team that he was going to retire. Little got hurt badly early in the season. So we played the majority of the year without our top RHD and a #2C. This is on top of Trouba not only wanting out, but insisting on going to the Rangers. Chevy handled that trade masterfully, considering our limited options. Pionk and Heinola combined, could conceivably turn out better than Trouba. We were smart to walk away from Tanev, as Pittsburgh overpaid for him. We had no idea Buff would not return, so we thought Myers was expendable. Overall, Chevy did a damn good job of setting the Jets up to be in contention again later down the road. However, the big test is how we are going to replace little, and gain a top pairing D-man. What to do with Laine's contract, and who will the Jets part with to obtain the missing pieces. We shall see.
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Post by ekjet72 on Sept 18, 2020 8:31:53 GMT -6
FWIW, I agree with Iceland. The only thing i would add is that Ben Chiarot was also a casualty of Buff's late retirement. He cost us wiggle room with a few players. While Chiarot would have been great for us he wouldn't have been as good as he was in Montreal. We need to rethink our defensive system. More than one hockey analyst has commented on how it confuses the players and results in high quality chances on our net.
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Post by smokes on Sept 21, 2020 13:35:33 GMT -6
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Post by Tracker on Sept 21, 2020 15:48:24 GMT -6
I have always thought that Trouba wasn't all that much better than Chiarot who came at a much friendlier contract price. I can't help feeling that Trouba will become an albatross for the Rangers who will soon be unable to shed his bloated contract.
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Post by Tim on Sept 22, 2020 7:45:49 GMT -6
I like Chevy as a GM- he had to start from scratch, in some ways worse that a new franchise in that he assumed some bad contracts and players as part of the Thrasher purchase. But so far he has had 10 years and the team has been in decline. The team has a window of maybe two years and he has to get to the Cup final. and Winnipeg is a better destination to play in than Phoenix or Miami, to name a couple. Last season, the Jets just had bad luck. Byfuglien screwed over the team by not informing the team that he was going to retire. Little got hurt badly early in the season. So we played the majority of the year without our top RHD and a #2C. This is on top of Trouba not only wanting out, but insisting on going to the Rangers. Chevy handled that trade masterfully, considering our limited options. Pionk and Heinola combined, could conceivably turn out better than Trouba. We were smart to walk away from Tanev, as Pittsburgh overpaid for him. We had no idea Buff would not return, so we thought Myers was expendable. Overall, Chevy did a damn good job of setting the Jets up to be in contention again later down the road. However, the big test is how we are going to replace little, and gain a top pairing D-man. What to do with Laine's contract, and who will the Jets part with to obtain the missing piHeinolaeces. We shall see. Heinola is 4" shorter then Trouba and 30lbs lighter........sorry Heinola not going to be the answer unless he switches to woman's hockey.
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Post by Tracker on Sept 22, 2020 8:52:38 GMT -6
A smaller, mobile, intelligent defenceman can shine in the NHL as a part of a properly structured defence, as Quinn Hughes has proven, but you also need the beef and nastiness in the defensive corps.
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Post by ekjet72 on Sept 22, 2020 13:37:13 GMT -6
Tracker I concur. Cale Maker stepped right into the 2019 NHL playoffs from NCAAs with a tremendous performance. He did great in the bubble and was awarded rookie of the year for 2020. His height?....5'11". So there is room for a player of limited stature but a whole defensive corp of smurfs doesn't work.
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Post by shakinallover on Sept 22, 2020 15:14:10 GMT -6
Not 1 defenceman in the SC final is under 190 lbs. Dallas doesn't have one under 200. The islanders had 1 under 190 and Vegas were 190 and above. I see a pattern..... Niku is 176, Pionk is 184, and Heinola is 178. Bugs that will get stepped on.
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