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Post by mikecubs on Jul 31, 2014 21:19:24 GMT -6
Reading toronto commoents on the bills once again shows how completely delusional the people from toronto are. They dont bother to see stadium issues, they dont bother to see why the nfl couldn't care less about canada, they dont bother to see that the groups bid limit was most likley already beat in the initial bids when terry pegula said I want it, Give it to me, and the nfl will not refuse nor will the trust most likely be able to refuse the bid. funny thing is the material purpose of the trust may be to keep the team in buffalo meaning highest buffalo central bid automatically wins as long as a certain price is met. Pegula won see you in october. I think Toronto is the worst football town in North America. They really don't understand the game at all. Think about it, no help for a stadium is coming, you totally failed at supporting one game a year(they cancelled it LOL) yet you think people are going to buy expensive PSL's left and right to fund a new stadium. LOL. I hesitate to say this but I think Phoenix may be better at supporting hockey than Toronto is at football.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 31, 2014 21:23:10 GMT -6
you arent far off. Toronto = white people and suburbanites leafs only. Minorities and inner city yuppies= NBA basketball. They really cant see beyond leafs and raptors. They are just infatuated with the leafs.
iv been researching this buffalo trust...all indications say highest bidder wont staisfy the trust which means stying in buffalo is most likely very important to the purpose of the trust. Trustees can be held liable for breaching their duties to the trust...so this trustee wont take a chance and if the highest bid is buffalo? done deal.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 31, 2014 21:45:57 GMT -6
Ya, that's Toronto. But you do have to factor in the Blue Jays drew great from when they started until the late 90's. People do watch the Blue Jays on TV. They absolutely would support them at a big market level again IF they had a real stadium instead of that circular monstrosity. But any type of football? LOL
Who heads this trust???
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 31, 2014 21:51:05 GMT -6
Ya, that's Toronto. But you do have to factor in the Blue Jays drew great from when they started until the late 90's. People do watch the Blue Jays on TV. They absolutely would support them at a big market level again IF they had a real stadium instead of that circular monstrosity. But any type of football? LOL Who heads this trust??? im not sure who the trustee is, the trust appears to be for the benefit of hi family, the trustee may be morgan stanley... or some appointed attorney who specializes in trust administration and will follow the purpose...now its easy to follow the purpose when the highest bidder happens to follow the purpose, less legal fudging needs to happen. Pegula is an easy choice, the league loves that kind of cash too.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 31, 2014 21:55:50 GMT -6
Being reported trump is still in the mix rumored bid up to 1.1 billion. Trump as much as a clown as he is, can do real estate well and is an attractive candidate. I could see him looking right at the ralph and thinking lets just put a renovated new shell inside like soldier field or lambaeu
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 31, 2014 22:19:51 GMT -6
^^^ That's an ok option if that's all you can afford as a last resort but I'd rather see a new stadium in either downtown Buffalo or Niagara Falls. If Pegula gets it he will try for a domed stadium downtown. He is already building a development around the hockey arena. He's trying to revive downtown.
FYI, at soldier field they demolished everything except the historic collinades, at lambeau they did the opposite. They kept the historic bleachers/seating bowl but demolished the outside of the stadium(Lambeau used to have green aluminum on the outside) and expanded the concorses/built the atrium.
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 1, 2014 0:44:04 GMT -6
^^^ That's an ok option if that's all you can afford as a last resort but I'd rather see a new stadium in either downtown Buffalo or Niagara Falls. If Pegula gets it he will try for a domed stadium downtown. He is already building a development around the hockey arena. He's trying to revive downtown. FYI, at soldier field they demolished everything except the historic collinades, at lambeau they did the opposite. They kept the historic bleachers/seating bowl but demolished the outside of the stadium(Lambeau used to have green aluminum on the outside) and expanded the concorses/built the atrium. do us a favour please. on Bomber GameDay, do not bump the Bombers Thread. thanks.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 1, 2014 0:59:38 GMT -6
you arent far off. Toronto = white people and suburbanites leafs only. Minorities and inner city yuppies= NBA basketball. They really cant see beyond leafs and raptors. They are just infatuated with the leafs. iv been researching this buffalo trust...all indications say highest bidder wont staisfy the trust which means stying in buffalo is most likely very important to the purpose of the trust. Trustees can be held liable for breaching their duties to the trust...so this trustee wont take a chance and if the highest bid is buffalo? done deal. There's a few things to consider about Toronto and its football and no, I don't want the NFL here. 1) I know A LOT of football fans here. Thing is, every fan I know in the Burlington/Oakville/Mississauga area is a Ti-Cats fan. Big support in the area because, yeah, there's a big F*** Toronto attitude towards the Argos 2) Lot of options for entertainment in the area. Leafs trump, followed by the Jays and Raptors. You have a football team an hour away plus all the minor league hockey teams in the area as well. 3) There is ZERO advertisment for the Argos ANYWHERE in the GTA. If you drive through Hamilton there's Ti_Cats logos and signs everywhere. You go through TO and you'll see stuff about the Leafs, Raptors, Jays even Toronto FC but there is nothing advertising or drawing people to Argos games. I honestly think Rogers is trying to set them up to fail to gather interest in an NFL team coming to Toronto. No advertisment, no permanent stadium, no owner, tecnically. You get a guy like John Candy to buy the team they'll do well again. But somebody needs to want the team to succeed, no t just be a presence in Toronto.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 1, 2014 7:58:46 GMT -6
Alot of Reports are coming in.
Pegula and Trump are confirmed to have advanced...not a single report on toronto, everyone is saying its unknown, they may have been told no already which is nuts but again if the trust is strong and very clear as to the purpose no way the trustee would believe the Toronto group.
Pegula can outbid trump but highest bid may not win if trumps bid includes a strong stadium plan. Pegula most likley has a stadium plan as well, probably a closed dome which would be very popular come NCAA title tournament for both football and basketball (syracuse can be the "host"), a domed stadium brings wrestlemania, UFC, etc. Now the ncaa football tournament has set locations, but i believe they do bids for the final and the dome could create a new yearly bowl game for non tournament teams.
Also a dome makes a superbowl possible which the nfl has been very keen on rewarding cities for new stadiums.
But back from stadium topic, its very strange to me that there is no rumor of what is going on with toronto and they arent confirmed yet to still be in the running
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 1, 2014 8:07:59 GMT -6
Bon jovi is playing at the HOF induction, nothing he can do can pressure the nfl to keep terry pegula out. The biggest issue is apparently Bon Jovi isnt worth enough to be a principle owner in the nfl if the bid goes any higher than it is. freaking joke. How this guy has got the ears of these nfl owners is beyond me, he isnt getting the team, pegula is going to pay a stupid amount of money to win.
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Post by Hannu Smail on Aug 1, 2014 8:51:25 GMT -6
Lots of back patting and stroking going on in here. Not that I disagree with the premise (except for a few laughable/ignorant comments) or probable outcome.
But...
You guys as confident in this "guaranteed" outcome as you were the Coyotes would be out of Glendale by now?
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 1, 2014 8:58:17 GMT -6
Lots of back patting and stroking going on in here. Not that I disagree with the premise (except for a few laughable/ignorant comments) or probable outcome. But... You guys as confident in this "guaranteed" outcome as you were the Coyotes would be out of Glendale by now? Well its completely different, here we are saying the guaranteed outcome is the team stays under terry pegula. Totally different because pegula is a loon and will pay a ton for the team and im making this judgement on what i know legally about trust law and the duties of a trustee. I think the standard is on my side here as opposed to coyotes where the standard was the team stays unless, here im on the side of team staying.
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Post by Hannu Smail on Aug 1, 2014 9:05:47 GMT -6
Lots of back patting and stroking going on in here. Not that I disagree with the premise (except for a few laughable/ignorant comments) or probable outcome. But... You guys as confident in this "guaranteed" outcome as you were the Coyotes would be out of Glendale by now? Well its completely different, here we are saying the guaranteed outcome is the team stays under terry pegula. Totally different because pegula is a loon and will pay a ton for the team and im making this judgement on what i know legally about trust law and the duties of a trustee. I think the standard is on my side here as opposed to coyotes where the standard was the team stays unless, here im on the side of team staying. I will never question your legal opinion and training because I have none, but you don't think the Toronto group has legal counsel who would tell them to not waste their time if it was ironclad? And again, I find it very unlikely the Bills would move. I just always question anyone's stance where there's an appearance of overconfidence (that's my Coyote's tie-in). I will say this, though... reading through this thread is exactly why I cringe when I read staunch Canadian hockey fans cry foul that "our" game is being promoted (in vain) and forced into some non-traditional markets. There's a real sense of "Football is America's game, dammit!" reading between the lines here. Ignoring the fact that football has been played "professionally" for 100+ years up here.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 1, 2014 10:58:00 GMT -6
^ I think Toronto would be a bad football market due to the apathy and other reasons I've listed above and it would crush the CFL, which I like more. Other Canadian cities are HUGE football markets but Winniped, Saskatchewan, Calgary are too small to support the NFL.Football works in Canada, I just don't think there's a market that could support the NFL.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 1, 2014 11:41:26 GMT -6
Well its completely different, here we are saying the guaranteed outcome is the team stays under terry pegula. Totally different because pegula is a loon and will pay a ton for the team and im making this judgement on what i know legally about trust law and the duties of a trustee. I think the standard is on my side here as opposed to coyotes where the standard was the team stays unless, here im on the side of team staying. I will never question your legal opinion and training because I have none, but you don't think the Toronto group has legal counsel who would tell them to not waste their time if it was ironclad? And again, I find it very unlikely the Bills would move. I just always question anyone's stance where there's an appearance of overconfidence (that's my Coyote's tie-in). I will say this, though... reading through this thread is exactly why I cringe when I read staunch Canadian hockey fans cry foul that "our" game is being promoted (in vain) and forced into some non-traditional markets. There's a real sense of "Football is America's game, dammit!" reading between the lines here. Ignoring the fact that football has been played "professionally" for 100+ years up here. I dont think Toronto wants to relocate the team out of new york, here me and mike disagree. I think the toronto group has looked at relocation and realized its not realistic. They would rather move closer to canada and keep the buffalo and rochester markets combined with the canadian border markets. This way they can appease cuomo and the NY gov and not have to deal with the Canadian federal and provincial governments who will be very pro CFL. I dont think they want Canada they want to keep that rochester money, buffalo dedication and appease Canadian fans, by relocating to Niagra falls.
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