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Post by frozenpondblue531 on Oct 27, 2011 17:12:29 GMT -6
Hundreds of Avs fans have switched to a cheaper alternative for Hockey, the Colorado Eagles who are vying to break the Avalanche's sellout streak. The switch for many was caused by loss of goodwill between Avalanche owner & fans in recent years plus state of economy made it more fiscally attractive for many to spend on Eagles. Hockey in Denver is not in trouble nor decline (check youth hockey numbers), simply another team arrived and many switched the egress of their hockey dollars.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Oct 27, 2011 20:24:17 GMT -6
It also does not help matters that they set the bar high by winning the Cup their first year! They are exhibit A of why I'd rather have a new team suck first before getting better!
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Post by quackbeth on Oct 29, 2011 5:19:19 GMT -6
^^^ That point is the best regarding the USA's relative disinterest to hockey! Parts of the USA, maybe...but not NEARLY the whole... The Coasts, Atlantic and Pacific, love their hockey... And the Northern USA loves it...the Midwest is hit-and-miss, depends on the team and year... Really it's mainly the Plain States and South--with the notable exception of CAR and possibly NSH and TB. Those states like NASCAR...and we on the Coasts and in the North prefer the NHL... So we're split, while most Americans like a NFL and/or MLB team...then some like NASCAR to go along with it, and some, like myself, prefer an actual sport, hockey. But we're ALL of us, North, South, East, West, American, Canadian... ALL of us united in our disinterest towards the shell that was once the NBA. (But seriously, jsut saying--Americans love hockey, too...and plenty of us...and that number IS growing.)
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Post by frozenpondblue531 on Oct 30, 2011 1:59:07 GMT -6
^^^ That point is the best regarding the USA's relative disinterest to hockey! Parts of the USA, maybe...but not NEARLY the whole... The Coasts, Atlantic and Pacific, love their hockey... And the Northern USA loves it...the Midwest is hit-and-miss, depends on the team and year... Really it's mainly the Plain States and South--with the notable exception of CAR and possibly NSH and TB. Those states like NASCAR...and we on the Coasts and in the North prefer the NHL... So we're split, while most Americans like a NFL and/or MLB team...then some like NASCAR to go along with it, and some, like myself, prefer an actual sport, hockey. But we're ALL of us, North, South, East, West, American, Canadian... ALL of us united in our disinterest towards the shell that was once the NBA. (But seriously, jsut saying--Americans love hockey, too...and plenty of us...and that number IS growing.) USA Hockey is most represented by the Midwest and Northeast. Youth Hockey is dominated by the 3 M's: Minnesota, Massachusetts, & Michigan. Chicago is next best, followed by New York. Then, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Wisconsin, St. Louis, and California. All this is demonstrated by number of players registered in hockey, and who the top midget AAA teams are (before they head off to Juniors or NCAA). Of course, states like North Dakota, Maine, New Hampshire, etc. have roots with Hockey, but are separate pedestal because they're low-populated states. But density-wise, all 3 states are up there in interest. On a pro hockey level, in east-to-west order, Boston, New York metro, Philadelphia, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Minnesota all have supported their teams and some have had obvious bumps in the road... but the overall scale is still stable and impressive. California has risen close to the same long-term stability. Colorado/Texas/Nashville/Tampa/Carolina have had short term success, but haven't really been around long enough to uplift to the levels of the other cities yet. Even as they continue to establish youth hockey and identity in their market, it's unlikely any could reap the benefits of a Minnesota or Chicago or Detroit or Philadelphia or Boston. Those areas have just been established with hockey for so long. Obviously, USA Hockey is not close to Canada. Anyone who says otherwise would be an idiot. But that in no way equates to USA Hockey is a failure. It isn't - it's a niche sport that's very successful in half the country. There's even small amounts of Hockey fans in the plains and South.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2011 8:34:42 GMT -6
Hundreds of Avs fans have switched to a cheaper alternative for Hockey, the Colorado Eagles who are vying to break the Avalanche's sellout streak. The switch for many was caused by loss of goodwill between Avalanche owner & fans in recent years plus state of economy made it more fiscally attractive for many to spend on Eagles. Hockey in Denver is not in trouble nor decline (check youth hockey numbers), simply another team arrived and many switched the egress of their hockey dollars. I hope you realize the Eagles are OUR ECHL Affiliates!!
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Post by frozenpondblue531 on Oct 30, 2011 9:31:05 GMT -6
If you combine the NHL-AHL-ECHL sellouts, although an obscure stat, the Jets' franchise chain might lead the league after the year in sellouts. Possible it could be domination, too.
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Post by jkayak on Nov 4, 2011 12:59:09 GMT -6
I agree start packing the trucks Insane Canadian nationalism alert!!! Guess who owns the longest sell out streak in NHL history? Nope not one of the sacred Canadian teams. It's Colorado at 487 games. Yep let's move them. 7 of the 11 seasons they have played at Pepsi Center they have been above the league average in attendance. Whoa! Easy, there, Hoss! I was only cracking a joke! Every hockey fan knows how great a franchise the Avs are. Still, I'd love to see Quebec back in the NHL. The Quebec Coyotes certainly has a nice ring to it...
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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Nov 4, 2011 14:50:58 GMT -6
Ew no lol. They gotta bring back the Nordiques (or Aces) name.
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Post by jkayak on Nov 6, 2011 10:43:56 GMT -6
Aces would be really cool, but I could also live with Nordiques. I just wanna see that old Quebec/Montreal rivalry start up again!
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 8, 2011 0:50:39 GMT -6
Insane Canadian nationalism alert!!! Guess who owns the longest sell out streak in NHL history? Nope not one of the sacred Canadian teams. It's Colorado at 487 games. Yep let's move them. 7 of the 11 seasons they have played at Pepsi Center they have been above the league average in attendance. Whoa! Easy, there, Hoss! I was only cracking a joke! Every hockey fan knows how great a franchise the Avs are. Still, I'd love to see Quebec back in the NHL. The Quebec Coyotes certainly has a nice ring to it... Oops. My mistake. I apologize.
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Post by jkayak on Nov 8, 2011 11:58:27 GMT -6
No apologies necessary, Mike. I could never stay mad at a fellow Cubbies fan!
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Post by jetsnordiquesfan on Nov 9, 2011 23:31:21 GMT -6
Also I wonder if there were ever any pic of the Avs attendance? Are their numbers legit at least? If they announce 12000 fans and there's really 12K in the building, at least it's better than when Phoenix announces 13000 and there are only 8000 in there. That's an extra 4K that might buy food and stuff. I remember watching a Detroit game recently and despite the sellout, a bunch of seats remained empty through the entire game.
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Post by floatyghosthat on Nov 13, 2011 0:18:29 GMT -6
Of all the moves and expansions over the past 20 years, the Avs are by and far the biggest success, both on and off the ice.
The team has huge local support, and still sells very well, even with abysmal on-ice performance. Hockey is big in Colorado. Always has been. I'm really glad that Colorado got a team back, it's just very unfortunate that Quebec had to lose one. In a perfect (and hopefully near) NHL, both teams would exist.
Sidenote: I'd say that Minnesota would be a close second as far as "new teams".
Don't take the word of one hack sports writer as fact about what's happening in Denver. We've all read plenty of negative stuff about the Jets in the Sun.
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Nov 13, 2011 0:35:48 GMT -6
Of all the moves and expansions over the past 20 years, the Avs are by and far the biggest success, both on and off the ice. The team has huge local support, and still sells very well, even with abysmal on-ice performance. Hockey is big in Colorado. Always has been. I'm really glad that Colorado got a team back, it's just very unfortunate that Quebec had to lose one. In a perfect (and hopefully near) NHL, both teams would exist. Sidenote: I'd say that Minnesota would be a close second as far as "new teams". Don't take the word of one hack sports writer as fact about what's happening in Denver. We've all read plenty of negative stuff about the Jets in the Sun. I don't really agree on a number of levels. Denver was handed an all-star team which won the Cup right off the bat and was great for years and included several HOF players. They've hardly been "abysmal" through a rebuild which has brought in a lot of good young promising players. The low points are just a natural fact of life for most teams. Attendance suffered considerably as soon as the team was no longer one of the best. I'd say Minnesota given their on ice performance has been more impressive. They have had an abysmal team. The test of a market is when it isn't a top team imo. Hockey as a sport really isn't big in most of the USA, although some NHL teams have great local/regional support. It certainly isn't that big of a deal in Colorado. If your measuring stick is Canada there really isn't anywhere in the USA where the popularity of hockey is comparable. You might say it comes close in pockets of Minnesota, Michigan, Massachusetts and New York, but even there hockey is one of several popular sports and not quite as big a deal as it is in most of Canada.
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Post by Douggy-D on Nov 13, 2011 11:50:09 GMT -6
Also I wonder if there were ever any pic of the Avs attendance? Are their numbers legit at least? If they announce 12000 fans and there's really 12K in the building, at least it's better than when Phoenix announces 13000 and there are only 8000 in there. That's an extra 4K that might buy food and stuff. I remember watching a Detroit game recently and despite the sellout, a bunch of seats remained empty through the entire game. Yeah but at least the empty seats at the Joe are paid for unlike the seats at the Joking.com Arena.
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