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Post by Sam on Dec 1, 2011 11:47:28 GMT -6
Okay, as almost every other hockey-related forum in the world is talking about it, I really want to hear from you guys what you think they should do, being my favourite team. After reading a few articles on the matter, well, I still don't know which camp to put myself in.. to trade or not to trade?
In 2 years time, Jarome will be 36 and a free agent, and our other ageing stars will be pretty much the same, with Miikka being 37 and having one year left on his deal, and Tanguay will be 35. Now, I'd happily trade Tanguay, wouldn't be too happy about trading Kipper, but I still think trading Iggy is a big no-no. I know, it isn't 04 now and he isn't putting up the numbers, and if he wasn't possibly one of the biggest faces of any franchise in history, I'd be up for trading him providing we'd get the right deal. But he is, and I'd really love for there to be a way we could phaze-out/trade other players, but keep Iginla, using him as what the Selanne is to the Ducks.
But on the other hand, do we cash in now and rebuild like us Jets are doing? The only way I can see them doing that is if they can find someone else to use as the face of the franchise.
So, along with my other questions (Do we/don't we?), If you were in the position of being able to trade Iggy, what would you do and who would you trade him for?
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Post by jetsorbust on Dec 1, 2011 12:24:02 GMT -6
To me it comes down to this - What would you rather see? The flames win a cup without Iggy or to keep him his whole career but not win a cup?
Now, obviously no one is saying that to trade or not trade him would guarantee anything. Heck, there are never any guarantees.
But I think it's pretty obvious that Calgary isn't positioned to win a cup in the next couple years. So what good does having Iggy on the team do? In 2 years, he certainly won't fetch much in the open market, so Calgary will have lost that value.
As a Jets fan I hope for Calgary and all other teams to suck. I consider Iginla a threat that would help any contending team, so I'd rather see him stay in Calgary so he can't be a threat to the Jets in the playoffs (if/when they should make it there)
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Post by lukemiguez on Dec 1, 2011 12:45:29 GMT -6
Flames should move Iginla because they desperately need the prospects and picks they'd get as a return for his services. They really should start the rebuild sooner rather than later lest they needlessly prolong the pain.
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Post by jkayak on Dec 1, 2011 15:08:34 GMT -6
I'm definitely in the "trade him" camp. Calgary has to seriously start thinking about the future if they have any hopes of bringing home another cup. Iginla's value to the team right now mostly lies in the assets they'll acquire by shipping him off to another team. These can only decrease in 2 years time, so why wait?
With all that being said, I have a ton of respect for Iggy and all he's ton for the Flames franchise. Any team in the NHL would be lucky to have him in their uniform.
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Post by IantheD on Dec 1, 2011 16:59:51 GMT -6
They should trade him. Dismantle now instead of later. Besides, Iginla deserves another shot at the cup. They should try to give him a shot like Boston did with Borque.
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Sam
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Post by Sam on Dec 1, 2011 17:10:06 GMT -6
Good points, I know this really, but me being pretty much a die-hard Flames fan, it's just one of those things I cannot come to terms with, ha ha. And so do I, I do hope the men upstairs give him a chance at it, although it does grind my gears that it won't be with the Flames.
So, the question is.. who for, what for, and where?
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Post by Guardian on Dec 1, 2011 19:18:59 GMT -6
They should have begun the process of dismatling this team two seasons ago.
The Flames are consistently inconsistent and this is due to the core group of players in the dressing room.
Look at Philadelphia, they determined that Richards and Carter would not help them win a cup, so they were traded for very good young players.
As a former Flames season ticket holder I found the organization to be very arrogant and dismissive of its fan base.
They cater to their corporate partners and ignore the rest.
I gave up season tickets long before the NHL return to Winnipeg was announced.
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Post by jkayak on Dec 2, 2011 12:35:08 GMT -6
I've been thinking a lot about where he could go, and it's a pretty tricky thing to figure out. My guess is that he'd most likely be picked up by a team that's got a legitimate shot at the Cup this season, and just needs that extra kick to put them over the top.
We can obviously rule out Vancouver, since there's no way Calgary will let him go to a team in their own division. I'm also pretty sure they'd be loath to let go of him anywhere in the west, so it's a pretty safe bet he won't be going to Chicago, Dallas or Detroit.
In the East there's a few teams that I could see him going to. I think we can all agree that he won't be a Jet, since TNSE is all about developing young talent and building from within. Picking up Iginla would be more harmful than helpful to the Jets because of what we'd lose by acquiring him. I also don't see him going to the Leafs for the same reasons. The days of Toronto squandering first round picks on veterans is (hopefully!) over. Pittsburgh's already pretty loaded, and I doubt they could afford his salary without going over their cap. My money's on the Flyers, the Rangers or the Bruins. Possibly the Sabres.
Thoughts anyone?
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Post by Guardian on Dec 2, 2011 15:10:08 GMT -6
I'm thinking the Kings or the Penguins.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Dec 2, 2011 17:49:59 GMT -6
Ill go one step further. If Iggy himself doesnt offer to be traded, all this talk of him being a company guy are BS.
Sundin was a selfish prick who royally screwed the Leafs because he was too much of a baby to accept a trade to a cup contender for the last couple months of the season.
Iggy is more man than Sundin. I think he'll accept a trade to the right team because ultimately, if he's a Flames guy, he could do far more to help them by leaving than he can do by staying.
I also dont know where talk of Iggy to the Pens comes from with them so close to the cap. You'd essentially say they'd have to trade Stall + just to clear the cap space.
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Post by bottsy on Dec 2, 2011 20:18:03 GMT -6
They should trade him. Dismantle now instead of later. Besides, Iginla deserves another shot at the cup. They should try to give him a shot like Boston did with Borque. I agree give him a chance at glory. It definitely isnt going to happen within his career at Calgary. They missed their chance! |
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Post by phillymike on Dec 2, 2011 20:31:16 GMT -6
I think he's going to stay put.
No team is as far out of contention for the cup anymore, as people seem to make them out to be.
All a team needs is to make it to the playoffs, then anything is possible. The chances may be slimmer, but how many 8th seeded teams have recently made it to the Cup finals? Conference finals?
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Post by jetsv2 on Dec 2, 2011 21:05:51 GMT -6
The flames will not win the cup until they admit to themselves and the fans that its time to blow up the team and rebuild. If you finish 8th-11th every year and are the oldest team in the leauge you are in some serious trouble in a few years. They need to get some high draft picks for a couple of years and get a true number 1 center becasue right now they have 2-3 third line centers.
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Post by Jetsfan47 on Dec 3, 2011 1:51:11 GMT -6
With the Flames history of trades we could Iggy for Oduya and Wheeler, but the flames should trade away Iggy Kipper and Tanguay and collect Picks and prospects time to rebuild and those players have some value
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Post by Snoopy on Dec 3, 2011 9:11:05 GMT -6
I got a feeling he is on the block, no waay he comes to winterpeg
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