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Post by Sam on Aug 12, 2011 7:57:27 GMT -6
Quebec, Hamilton, Seattle and Hartford. They'll be the places most likely to get a team back.
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Post by IantheD on Aug 16, 2011 14:16:51 GMT -6
Quebec, Hamilton, Seattle and Hartford. They'll be the places most likely to get a team back. Agree, in order it might go Quebec, Seattle, Hamilton, Hartford. I'd like to see Milwaukee get a team since the Moose had a rivalry with the Admirals. the Jets could do the same thing with and NHL team in Milwaukee.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Aug 16, 2011 19:49:57 GMT -6
Quebec, Hamilton, Seattle and Hartford. They'll be the places most likely to get a team back. Agree, in order it might go Quebec, Seattle, Hamilton, Hartford. I'd like to see Milwaukee get a team since the Moose had a rivalry with the Admirals. the Jets could do the same thing with and NHL team in Milwaukee. Dude, I am with you regarding the order of cities getting a team in the future! ;D
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 6:34:54 GMT -6
Quebec, Hamilton, Seattle and Hartford. They'll be the places most likely to get a team back. Agree, in order it might go Quebec, Seattle, Hamilton, Hartford. I'd like to see Milwaukee get a team since the Moose had a rivalry with the Admirals. the Jets could do the same thing with and NHL team in Milwaukee. Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes.
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Post by Douggy-D on Aug 21, 2011 17:38:59 GMT -6
Agree, in order it might go Quebec, Seattle, Hamilton, Hartford. I'd like to see Milwaukee get a team since the Moose had a rivalry with the Admirals. the Jets could do the same thing with and NHL team in Milwaukee. Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. Hartford could happen. If they get an owner who is willing to pay for a new arena by himself, or with little public money involved, they could get a team back. I don't think the economy will be a huge factor, because Hartford has about 2 million people and the NHL will be the only game in town.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Aug 21, 2011 19:11:53 GMT -6
Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. Hartford could happen. If they get an owner who is willing to pay for a new arena by himself, or with little public money involved, they could get a team back. I don't think the economy will be a huge factor, because Hartford has about 2 million people and the NHL will be the only game in town. And don't forget that CT has one of the highest per capita income averages in the USA!
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Post by Guardian on Aug 21, 2011 20:17:27 GMT -6
Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. Hartford could happen. If they get an owner who is willing to pay for a new arena by himself, or with little public money involved, they could get a team back. I don't think the economy will be a huge factor, because Hartford has about 2 million people and the NHL will be the only game in town. I would love to see the Whalers back!
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 23:41:04 GMT -6
Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. Hartford could happen. If they get an owner who is willing to pay for a new arena by himself, or with little public money involved, they could get a team back. I don't think the economy will be a huge factor, because Hartford has about 2 million people and the NHL will be the only game in town. Hartford is 1.2 million not 2 million. Your right about the rest except that a team owner is unlikely to fund it themselves. Most sports facilities have public help except a very few. I hope it happens however. With a new arena and the only game in town Hartford would be another Winnipeg.
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Post by jjmoohead on Aug 22, 2011 0:30:24 GMT -6
Hartford could definitely host a team too. I still think they have one of the best all time logos.
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Post by Tim on Aug 22, 2011 6:24:55 GMT -6
I think the major problem is that Quebec does not have a David Thomson, reality is without David Thomson we do not have a team, he was the credibility behind the deal and a person who could not be ignored. No knock on Mark because I feel he could make a team work in many markets with his group and nohow. A guy like Jim" Balsillie did not have the the clout to get it done because in the big picture he means nothing in these circles of people and owners, might as well said the Richardson family wanted to buy, and they have a big fortune then Balsillie, but it is not impressive enough. Don't ever forget that Gary did not want to come here he gave us a team because he had no other choice!!!
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 22, 2011 6:57:53 GMT -6
I think the major problem is that Quebec does not have a David Thomson, reality is without David Thomson we do not have a team, he was the credibility behind the deal and a person who could not be ignored. No knock on Mark because I feel he could make a team work in many markets with his group and nohow. A guy like Jim" Balsillie did not have the the clout to get it done because in the big picture he means nothing in these circles of people and owners, might as well said the Richardson family wanted to buy, and they have a big fortune then Balsillie, but it is not impressive enough. Don't ever forget that Gary did not want to come here he gave us a team because he had no other choice!!! The problem isn't that Quebec doesn't have a David Thomson. They have a major media company like Quebecor and CEO Pierre Karl Peladeau behind there bid. The problem is that unlike Winnipeg they do NOT have an arena due to political backbiting and the fact that the arena they are proposing is 400 million dollars. The MTS Centre cost only 131 million. They should cut back on the size of the arena(18,000 seats) it is way too big. That would make it easier to pass but for some reason they can't figure this out. As far as Jim Ballsillie the reason he got rejected is because he didn't play by the rules and the fact that territory rights with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres came into play. Not because he was or wasn't "impressive enough". The last part about Bettman not wanting to come to Winnipeg is an absolute myth made up by insane canadian nationalist on message boards. If the NHL didn't want a team in Winnipeg there wouldn't be a team in Winnipeg. He would have found an owner in KC or given the team to Leslie Alexander in Houston. Yet Houston and KC were never even mentioned. Bettman always said he wanted to go back to Winnipeg and Quebec City as long as they had owners willing to buy the team and modern arenas. Check out the Why Not Canada Series. For sure watch part 6 it sums up everything nicely Some very interesting quotes from Bettman like "relocation to Canada won't happen overnight be patient" "Winnipeg has always been a good hockey market and now they have a modern arena" "People don't need to get hung up on 1000 less seats at MTS Centre" "Could Southern Ontario support another team? Probably its not something we looked at. My focus is and has been to go back to the places that once supported us before we go somewhere new"(ie Winnipeg/Quebec) "You could look at a market that might be 3 or 4 million people and it might have an NFL team, an NBA team a MLB team and a hockey team i'm not sure that just because the markets bigger it would be better than a smaller market that had no profession sports and the hockey team would be the only team in town"
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Post by Tim on Aug 22, 2011 7:36:13 GMT -6
I think the major problem is that Quebec does not have a David Thomson, reality is without David Thomson we do not have a team, he was the credibility behind the deal and a person who could not be ignored. No knock on Mark because I feel he could make a team work in many markets with his group and nohow. A guy like Jim" Balsillie did not have the the clout to get it done because in the big picture he means nothing in these circles of people and owners, might as well said the Richardson family wanted to buy, and they have a big fortune then Balsillie, but it is not impressive enough. Don't ever forget that Gary did not want to come here he gave us a team because he had no other choice!!! The problem isn't that Quebec doesn't have a David Thomson. They have a major media company like Quebecor and CEO Pierre Karl Peladeau behind there bid. The problem is that unlike Winnipeg they do NOT have an arena due to political backbiting and the fact that the arena they are proposing is 400 million dollars. The MTS Centre cost only 131 million. They should cut back on the size of the arena(18,000 seats) it is way too big. That would make it easier to pass but for some reason they can't figure this out. As far as Jim Ballsillie the reason he got rejected is because he didn't play by the rules and the fact that territory rights with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres came into play. Not because he was or wasn't "impressive enough". The last part about Bettman not wanting to come to Winnipeg is an absolute myth made up by insane canadian nationalist on message boards. If the NHL didn't want a team in Winnipeg there wouldn't be a team in Winnipeg. He would have found an owner in KC or given the team to Leslie Alexander in Houston. Yet Houston and KC were never even mentioned. Bettman always said he wanted to go back to Winnipeg and Quebec City as long as they had owners willing to buy the team and modern arenas. Check out the Why Not Canada Series. For sure watch part 6 it sums up everything nicely Some very interesting quotes from Bettman like "relocation to Canada won't happen overnight be patient" "Winnipeg has always been a good hockey market and now they have a modern arena" "People don't need to get hung up on 1000 less seats at MTS Centre" "Could Southern Ontario support another team? Probably its not something we looked at. My focus is and has been to go back to the places that once supported us before we go somewhere new"(ie Winnipeg/Quebec) "You could look at a market that might be 3 or 4 million people and it might have an NFL team, an NBA team a MLB team and a hockey team i'm not sure that just because the markets bigger it would be better than a smaller market that had no profession sports and the hockey team would be the only team in town" I'm a insane canadian nationalist on message boards, and Gary Betman means everything he says, Ok I'm with you
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Post by daletallon on Aug 22, 2011 9:24:30 GMT -6
Agree, in order it might go Quebec, Seattle, Hamilton, Hartford. I'd like to see Milwaukee get a team since the Moose had a rivalry with the Admirals. the Jets could do the same thing with and NHL team in Milwaukee. Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. In a hypothetical world with an arena & owner, Milwaukee would have a very good chance of working. Wisconsin is a top 5 US State for Hockey & is another midwestern city that typically supports its teams very well. The Bucks would likely have to move, which could very well happen within 5 years, but people in Wisconsin don't like Basketball anyway. You'd also have many of the northern Chicago people who can't get tickets to the Black Hawks. You're right that it likely can't happen in the Bradley Center. There would have to be a new arena. And there would have to be an owner too. But if Milwaukee could ever get both (and the Bucks, who very few care about, move) it would far well be more supported than Seattle. No contest.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 22, 2011 23:50:17 GMT -6
The problem isn't that Quebec doesn't have a David Thomson. They have a major media company like Quebecor and CEO Pierre Karl Peladeau behind there bid. The problem is that unlike Winnipeg they do NOT have an arena due to political backbiting and the fact that the arena they are proposing is 400 million dollars. The MTS Centre cost only 131 million. They should cut back on the size of the arena(18,000 seats) it is way too big. That would make it easier to pass but for some reason they can't figure this out. As far as Jim Ballsillie the reason he got rejected is because he didn't play by the rules and the fact that territory rights with the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres came into play. Not because he was or wasn't "impressive enough". The last part about Bettman not wanting to come to Winnipeg is an absolute myth made up by insane canadian nationalist on message boards. If the NHL didn't want a team in Winnipeg there wouldn't be a team in Winnipeg. He would have found an owner in KC or given the team to Leslie Alexander in Houston. Yet Houston and KC were never even mentioned. Bettman always said he wanted to go back to Winnipeg and Quebec City as long as they had owners willing to buy the team and modern arenas. Check out the Why Not Canada Series. For sure watch part 6 it sums up everything nicely Some very interesting quotes from Bettman like "relocation to Canada won't happen overnight be patient" "Winnipeg has always been a good hockey market and now they have a modern arena" "People don't need to get hung up on 1000 less seats at MTS Centre" "Could Southern Ontario support another team? Probably its not something we looked at. My focus is and has been to go back to the places that once supported us before we go somewhere new"(ie Winnipeg/Quebec) "You could look at a market that might be 3 or 4 million people and it might have an NFL team, an NBA team a MLB team and a hockey team i'm not sure that just because the markets bigger it would be better than a smaller market that had no profession sports and the hockey team would be the only team in town" I'm a insane canadian nationalist on message boards, and Gary Betman means everything he says, Ok I'm with you I was talking about other boards i've read including the old jets owner forum and some of the predictions on there. NOT YOU. As far as Bettman meaning what he says look at his actions since that video. The Jets have returned. Why didn't he push for a Houston or KC?? If Quebec City can get their act together and the Glendale City Counsel doesn't do something drastically stupid watch what will happen. I don't mean to defend Bettman, i think he's the worst commissioner of the 4 big sports, he added way too many teams in the NHL. He should have expanded much more slowly but there is NO anti-canada plot what so ever. I've heard certain Canadians claim a lot of insane stuff like the Jets will never return Bettman hates us, Bettman will never come back and will use the size of our arena as an excuse, he will pick Kansas City or Houston over us, they will never give us the Jets name back or Bettman will charge us too much money for the Jets name because he hates us(then he gives it back for free LOL). Look at how Bettman let Mark Chipman pick whatever opponent he wanted on opening night. This hardly sounds like a guy who hates Canada. He couldn't care less as would any comissioner in any sport weather a team is American or Canadian. All comissioners care about is $$$ and putting teams in good markets with modern arenas. What would you prefer Bettman to do about Quebec City? Move a team right now even though they don't have an arena funded?
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 23, 2011 0:05:41 GMT -6
Milwaukee won't happen. The Bradley Center is outdated. Plus Milwaukee doesn't have the population for 3 pro teams. Hartford won't happen. The city is in awful financial shape. Seattle could with an arena but they will get the NBA back 1st before the NHL comes. In a hypothetical world with an arena & owner, Milwaukee would have a very good chance of working. Wisconsin is a top 5 US State for Hockey & is another midwestern city that typically supports its teams very well. The Bucks would likely have to move, which could very well happen within 5 years, but people in Wisconsin don't like Basketball anyway. You'd also have many of the northern Chicago people who can't get tickets to the Black Hawks. You're right that it likely can't happen in the Bradley Center. There would have to be a new arena. And there would have to be an owner too. But if Milwaukee could ever get both (and the Bucks, who very few care about, move) it would far well be more supported than Seattle. No contest. Yes, i agree in a hypothetical world it would work. But in the real world it won't. I'm from Wisconsin by the way. As far as not liking basketball thats a little too strong to say. The Bucks don't do that horrible in attendance and do have a long history here. But basketball is still the least popular sport here. Its impossible to say when the Bucks will move. The owner is long time senator Herb Kohl. He won't move the team while he is alive but he is 75yrs old. After he dies is when people here are worried. There is some talk he could sell the team to some unnamed trust when he dies to buy more time for a new arena to be built. Its also possible he could take some of his life savings and donate that to a new Bucks arena but it would still require a lot of public dollars. If an arena does get built it will be for the Bucks. But its going to be almost impossible give the financial situation the state is in and the fact that people are still mad about how shaddy the passing of Miller Park was for the Brewers. If the Bucks did move and somehow some way an arena got built hockey would work but it can't work and the NHL won't come with the NBA here. As far as odds go my guess is the Bucks move and an arena doesn't get built. If they do come up with an arena it will be for the Bucks. There is 0 talk of the NHL coming here.
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