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Post by Tim on Oct 30, 2012 5:31:18 GMT -6
Edmonton's Future Arena: 18,000 seats Quebec City's Future Arena: 18,000 seats Prudential Center (2007): 17,625 seats Console Energy Center (2010): 18,387 seats Seattle's Future Arena: 18,000 seats I don't think smaller venues are necessarily the "wave of the future". MTS Centre at 15,000 makes sense for Winnipeg. Barclays Center can only hold 15,000 for hockey and besides, I think the last time the NY Islanders genuinely sold 15,000 tickets at full price and had 15,000 people show up was the 1980's. Madison Square Garden is 20 minutes away. On a night where the Rangers & Islanders are both playing at home, that's 33,200 people watching NHL hockey within the radius of a few miles. "MTS Centre at 15,000 makes sense"It only makes sense because that’s what he was forced to build, if they would have allowed him to build a 12,000 seat arena that's what we would have had today! (Just speaking the truce not bashing as some would think)Would 17,000 seats make more sense in Winnipeg? Would 17,000 seats make Mark more money for concerts and attractions? Would 17,000 seat push Winnipeg standings up as one of the busiest arenas in North America and the world? The answer is yes to all above! Thank Mr. Murry for having some for site in making Mark build it larger, and if Mark had any Idea (or a crystal ball) on how big of a cash cow this would be, we would have a 17,000 seat arena, or bigger!
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 30, 2012 6:51:22 GMT -6
Edmonton's Future Arena: 18,000 seats Quebec City's Future Arena: 18,000 seats Prudential Center (2007): 17,625 seats Console Energy Center (2010): 18,387 seats Seattle's Future Arena: 18,000 seats I don't think smaller venues are necessarily the "wave of the future". MTS Centre at 15,000 makes sense for Winnipeg. Barclays Center can only hold 15,000 for hockey and besides, I think the last time the NY Islanders genuinely sold 15,000 tickets at full price and had 15,000 people show up was the 1980's. Madison Square Garden is 20 minutes away. On a night where the Rangers & Islanders are both playing at home, that's 33,200 people watching NHL hockey within the radius of a few miles. You and Tim are right. Winnipeg and the Islanders were unique circumstances. Winnipeg was headging it's bets on the NHL and the Islanders spent too long fooling around with Nassau country which is beyond broke thus the arena was made with only 15,000ish for hockey to save money which isn't the worst thing in the world since New York does have 3 teams. You can add Markhams new arena to your list as well. That will have 20,000. If Calgary and Detroit ever get new arenas they will seat 18,000 some according to both teams which is less than both teams have now but no where near 15,000. One correction Seattle arena will be only 17,500 for NHL it will be 18,500 for NBA. Now in fairness to Guardian teams in general in most sports are building stadiums and arenas with less capacity. Just not anything as extreme as 15,000 seat arenas. Barclays Center for NBA will seat only 17,774 people which is the first new arena in the NBA to seat under 18,000 people. The Golden State Warriors of the NBA are trying to build a new 17,000 some seat arena in San Francisco despite the fact the current arena seats 19,596 and the team usually averages over 18,000 a game at worst. The Detroit Pistons who have the largest capacity in the NBA at 22,076 removed 16 luxury boxes this offseason and made that area part of the concorse(which will reduce capacity) and they are talking about "reconfiguring the seating bowl" which will surely mean even a bigger drop in capacity. In baseball teams used to share cookie cutter stadiums with football teams that used to seat 60,000 plus for baseball which was insane. In the 90's when the new retro ballparks emerged they mostly had capacities in the high 40,000's. When the early 2000's came most of the new stadiums in that time period were build with capacities in the low 40,000's. The last 2 stadiums in MLB Minnesota and Miami were built with 39,000 and 36,000 some seats. The Oaklands A's new proposed park in San Jose will only seat 34,000 if built. The A's owner was only going to have 32,000 seats but MLB told him he had to have at least 34,000. The Tampa Bay Rays proposed stadium will only seat 35,000 if it is ever built. The Los Angeles Dodgers who have the biggest capacity in MLB with 56,000 seats are going to cut back according to the team president. My guess is likely somewhere between 6,000 to 10,000 seats. The Arizona Diamondbacks who have a 48,600 seat stadium want to reduce capacity. Last offseason the Baltimore Orioles who had a 48,000 seat stadium chopped off around 3,000 seats by making the seats in the upper deck wider. Each of the last 2 offseasons the Washington Nationals removed a couple 100 seats. When the Kansas City Royals renovated Kauffman Stadium a few years ago they reduced the capacity from 40,625 to 37,903. Even the Yankees and Mets have reduced capacity. When the Yankees moved into the new Yankee Stadium in 2009 capacity went from 57,000some to 50,291. When the Mets moved into their new park in 2009 capacity went from 57,000some at old Shea to 41,922 at the new park. Even in the NFL there have been a few capacity reductions the biggest being when the Washington Redskins removed 6,704 seats in the upper deck droping the capacity of the stadium from 91,704 to 85,000. The new San Francisco 49ers stadium under construction in Santa Clara will seat 1,200 less people than the old stadium. The Atlanta Falcons new proposed stadium (if approved) would seat only 65,000, the current stadium seats 71,228.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Oct 31, 2012 20:07:57 GMT -6
perfect move, have been calling it for years.
Move to brooklyn is smart. its literally across the street from the long island railroad to bring in Nassau fans. Queens fans are much closer, Brooklyn is ON Long Island.
Islanders arent even relocating they are moving to another part of the island where more people live.
Long Islanders go to the bronx and queens on the regular to watch the yankees and Mets.
Tons of KNicks fans on LI too who take the trip to Manhattan.
This solidifies the fanbases.
it is now officially
Yankees, Giants, Knicks, Rangers- Bronx, Manhattan, Staten Island.
Mets, Jets, Nets, Islanders- Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, Suffolk
Now thats not always the same, plenty of fans are mix and match and from al over.
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 20, 2012 10:14:02 GMT -6
I think the reason for this(below) is that Bruce Ratner is going to get the Islanders out of their lease 2 years early and they will start the 2013-14 season at the Barclays Center(if they have a season). Wang mentioned this was possible on the day they had the announcement. Sources: Ratner to play key role in Coliseum's future Developer Bruce Ratner, who built the new Barclays Center in Brooklyn, is going to try to do what others have failed to do: figure out how to create a competitive sports and entertainment arena on the 77-acre Nassau Coliseum site in Uniondale, sources familiar with the situation said. Ratner will advise the county on what to do with the arena itself, the sources said. He will come up with a plan in 2013 to increase the arena's viability and allow it to compete for shows, concerts and other events. Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano will announce Tuesday that Ratner will play a strategic role in developing an entertainment facility at the Coliseum, the centerpiece of the Hub site, the sources said. Donald Monti, of Renaissance Downtowns in Plainview , will be designated as the master developer on the rest of the property, beyond the arena itself, the sources said. Monti previously said he would build research and development facilities, retail and office space at the Hub, while linking the area to the housing and other development he plans in the Village of Hempstead . Monti will partner with Scott Rechler , of RXR Realty, who worked with New York Islanders owner Charles Wang to create the $3.8-billion Lighthouse Project, an unsuccessful attempt to develop the Coliseum site, according to the sources. Monti and Rechler are partners in building Glen Isle, a waterfront revitalization project in Glen Cove . Wang announced last month that the team was moving to the Barclays Center, which also is home to the NBA 's Brooklyn Nets . Ratner and Wang agreed on a 25-year lease for the Islanders to play at the Barclays Center. The lease will begin with the 2015-16 season. County officials have said losing the Islanders could mean the loss of 2,660 jobs and $243.4 million in annual revenue. Rechler told Newsday last month, after the Islanders announcement, that he had renewed interest in the Hub because developers could now start with a "clean sheet of paper" there. Among Monti's other partners are Jones Lang LaSalle , a real estate services company in Manhattan, and Spector Group, an architecture company in Woodbury . Wang introduced Ratner to Mangano in recent weeks, a source close to the situation said. Wang has a lease to play all Islanders home games at the Coliseum through June 2015 and also owns the Long Island Marriott Hotel and has an easement giving him control of the property between the hotel and the arena. Monti had competed for the role of master developer of the site against Patchogue-based Baldassano Architecture and Syosset's Blumenfeld Development Group, headed by developer Ed Blumenfeld, through a Request for Qualifications process that began in July. When he first announced his plans to compete, Monti said he hoped to keep the Islanders, but either way would try to stay within the confines of the Town of Hempstead 's zone to make the approval process a smooth one. He also suggested that he would get community input -- as he said he has done at other projects he is working on in Bristol, Conn., Hempstead and elsewhere. "The idea is to keep things moving forward and do nothing to put them to a standstill and put them in reverse," Monti said at the time. Today's announcement comes after several attempts to build a new or renovated Coliseum and redevelop the site -- now mostly a surfaced parking lot -- failed. The Lighthouse Project was stalled after Hempstead Town officials said it was too dense, but Wang argued that any development with less density wouldn't be able to provide enough revenue to pay for the cost of rebuilding the arena. And last summer, Nassau County officials put on the ballot a $400-million referendum to build a new arena with public funds that failed in a public vote. mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;jsessionid=506FE7A861394FCC20EA.3266?site=newsday&view=top_stories_item&feed:a=newsday_1min&feed:c=topstories&feed:i=1.4245726&nopaging=1
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 20, 2012 10:18:03 GMT -6
One other piece of info, one the guys on HF board said they heard Wang say in a radio interview on the day of the announcement that Barclays was going to hold 15,500 for hockey(Bettman said 15,000+ that day). So Winnipeg will still have the smallest capacity.
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 9, 2013 20:20:02 GMT -6
Sources: Islanders Looking at Bolting for Brooklyn a Year Early Over the next several months, the Islanders and Nassau County are expected to discuss the possibility of the hockey team getting out of its Nassau Coliseum lease a year early. If they strike a deal, the Islanders would begin play at Barclays Center in Brooklyn at the start of the 2014-15 season. According to sources with Nassau and the Islanders, both sides are open to a financial arrangement that could benefit the bankrupt county and the money-losing team. The Islanders’ lease does not expire for another two full seasons, in the summer of 2015. Leaving Nassau Coliseum a year earlier would enable the Islanders to begin capitalizing on revenue streams in Brooklyn, while not playing as lame duck tenants at the old barn on Hempstead Turnpike any longer than possible. A source with knowledge of the team’s internal discussions has told Point Blank that “without question” the Islanders will play next season, the 2013-14 season, at the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum. Islanders Point Blank has reached out to the Islanders for comment, but they have not responded at the time of posting. The source was emphatic that the Islanders will not head to Brooklyn this summer. “Too soon,” a source said. “Too much work to be done heading into Barclays.” The source added that if a deal is finalized to get to Brooklyn in time for the 2014-15 season, the Islanders would have next season to bid Long Island and the Coliseum “an appropriate farewell.” There remains a slight possibility that the Islanders will play a couple of games at the Barclays Center during the 2013-14 regular season. No decision has been made by the team yet. Any regular season games played at Barclays would have to be specifically negotiated with the county, per the Islanders’ lease. This coming summer, a preseason game in Brooklyn, likely against the New Jersey Devils, is expected to be announced for September 2013. islanderspointblank.com/news/sources-islanders-looking-at-bolting-for-brooklyn-a-year-early/#more-40134
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Post by Douggy-D on Apr 9, 2013 23:26:39 GMT -6
This was probably mentioned earlier but are they going to be called the New York Islanders or the Brooklyn Islanders?
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 10, 2013 1:29:46 GMT -6
^^^The name will remain New York Islanders. That was announced during the press conference last fall. The speculation is they will do a slight modification to the Islanders logo(adding Queens and Brooklyn) and the 3rd alternate jersey will to have a Brooklyn theme to it.
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Post by mikecubs on May 4, 2013 23:08:20 GMT -6
The Islanders may play 6 games(2 preseason and 4 regular season) games at Nassau Coliseum one they move to Brooklyn. The Coliseum may undergo a $229M dollar renovation that would reduce it to 13,000 seats. A new dream Coliseum
LI makeover plansDeveloper Bruce Ratner and Madison Square Garden officials yesterday pitched rival plans to renovate Nassau Coliseum that closely resemble Brooklyn’s Barclays Center and the major renovation of MSG. “It would be what the Eiffel Tower is for Paris!” boasted Ratner about his plan for a $229 million complex to be designed by SHoP Architects, which planned his Barclays Center. The Coliseum’s current anchor tenant, the NHL’s New York Islanders, will be moving to Barclays Center after the 2014-15 season. MSG’s $250 million plan would use BBB Architects, which designed the Garden’s ongoing, $1 billion top-to-bottom makeover. Both plans – which promise to bring more than 300 events a year and new development -- are considered the front-runners among four submitted to redo the 41-year-old, 17,686-seat eyesore in Uniondale, LI. Ratner’s group — which includes rap mogul Jay-Z — wants to downsize the arena to 13,000 seats. It would also build on site a 2,500-seat outdoor amphitheater, 50,000 square feet of retail space and a veterans’ memorial. The group is also trying to cater to the Islanders’ dejected Long Island fan base by having the club continue to play four regular-season and two pre-season games a year in the revamped arena. The Brooklyn Nets would also play a pre-season game there, and group says it would also bring a minor league hockey team and plenty of concerts – including performances by Jay-Z. Barclays Center honchos dubbed their group “the Dream Team.” It also includes Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov, concert promoter Live Nation, Jay-Z’s Roc Nation, and Legends -- an entertainment and food-concession company owned by the New York Yankees and Dallas Cowboys and headed by ex-MSG President Dave Checketts. MSG’s proposal includes downsizing the arena to 14,500 seats – still large enough to attract A-list performers like Justin Timberlake and Elton John, Garden officials said. It would also include an on-site development called “Long Island Live” -- five acres with 150,000 square feet of high-end restaurants featuring celebrity chefs like Jean Georges, retail shops, sports bars and a public plaza for free shows and events. “We’ve put together a quality team ... plus this is what we do! We operate seven venues, and we’ve restored and revitalized each and every one, “said MSG President Hank Ratner, who is not related to Bruce. MSG promised to bring pro sports to the arena, including games by the New York Liberty, the New York Rangers' minor-league affiliates and the New York Knicks' D-League team. “We know we can create a quality sports and entertainment experience, which includes the return of pro sports,” said Hank Ratner, adding that MSG’s plan would create “a destination that provides people -- particularly young people -- a reason to come to Long Island and stay in Long Island.“ Syosset developer Ed Blumenfeld proposed razing the Coliseum and building a new 9,000- to 12,000-seat arena with an adjacent convention center at a cost of $200 million. He said the arena would feature minor league hockey. Bayville developer Bernard Shereck, CEO of New York Sports & Entertainment, pitched a $60 million to $80 million plan to downsize the arena to 8,000 to 10,000 seats. He said he’d also bring minor league hockey to the venue. Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano formed a 17-member business advisory council that hosted yesterday’s meeting in Mineola. County officials want to choose a winner by June. Nassau voters in August 2011 rejected a plan to use county money to redevelop the site. www.nypost.com/p/news/local/new_dream_coliseum_FcVrq3KCQgYMQ3mu1TbneO
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Post by mikecubs on May 4, 2013 23:10:36 GMT -6
I don't like this idea at all. They should make a clean break from Nassau County. Nassau County has supported the Islanders about just as well as Phoenix has supported the Coyotes.
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Post by Douggy-D on May 5, 2013 12:47:42 GMT -6
^^^The name will remain New York Islanders. That was announced during the press conference last fall. The speculation is they will do a slight modification to the Islanders logo(adding Queens and Brooklyn) and the 3rd alternate jersey will to have a Brooklyn theme to it. Nice man a hockey team in Brooklyn would be pretty dope. I'm definitely going to check out a game or two when the Devils play them there. Would be real cool to see them at Nassau Coliseum before they move out.
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Post by Bruinsfan on May 5, 2013 19:57:58 GMT -6
islanders need to get out of nassau asap, that building is a pit, nassau has treated them very poorly. They screwed wang over with the lighthouse project (he was going to use mostly private funds). And wang is a nice owner that he still keeps the team technically on the island.
Plus islanders havent been the team bettman hates in the NY market, iv heard he hates the devils, hates their style of play they won cups with and hates that they are the third team in the market
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Post by mikecubs on May 16, 2013 0:46:59 GMT -6
Sources: Battle over Isles brewingThere's a potential battle brewing involving the New York Islanders and New York Rangers, and it isn't even on the ice. A major selling point of Bruce Ratner's pitch to win the renovation rights to Nassau Coliseum is the promise to bring the Islanders back to the arena for a six-game slate after they move to Brooklyn's Barclays Center. And while that would appear to be enticing to the Nassau County executives who are currently deciding among four bidders, it's not a promise Ratner necessarily can deliver. According to multiple sources, both Madison Square Garden and the NHL would have to sign off on that scenario, and that is not guaranteed to happen. Madison Square Garden, which owns the Rangers, is also among the four bidders. "He made a promise that is not 100 percent in his hands," a person familiar with the situation told ESPNNewYork.com. The league also would have to approve the six-game tour. It is not immediately clear whether it is open to doing that considering the seat capacity and potential revenue reduction that could result. Barclays Center CEO Brett Yormark said he has informed the league about this plan in the case they are awarded the renovation rights, and he doesn't envision it being a problem. "The NHL is a fan-friendly league," Yormark said when reached by phone Wednesday. "I'd assume they'll ultimately do what's best for the fans in Long Island." According to NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly, via a league spokesperson, the issue is an "internal matter upon which we are not commenting." Although at least one league source doubted the capacity issues would be a deterrent -- "I don't think that would be a determining factor," the source told ESPNNewYork.com -- another person briefed on the situation believes otherwise.
That source said sacrificing revenue on those six games at Nassau, which is expected to hold a capacity of 13,000 fans after renovations, is a major concern.Barclays Center, home of the Brooklyn Nets, is fitted to seat 14,500. Nassau, currently the oldest arena in the league, seats 17,686. The Islanders signed a 25-year lease with Barclays Center starting in 2015, though there have been indications the team would like to move there sooner. The consent needed from both the league and the Rangers is derived from Article 4.2 and 4.3 of the NHL's constitution, which deals with territorial rights of the league and of its members. espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/story/_/id/9279796/bruce-ratner-pitch-win-renovation-rights-nassau-coliseum-hits-roadblock-according-sources
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 20, 2013 2:47:37 GMT -6
Looks like the Islanders will play 2 preseason and 4 regular season games at a renovated 13,000 seat Nassau Coliseum every year. Terrible move!!! I can see the preseason games but for a pro team to have 2 homes in the regular season is a joke! Bush league. The NHL should reject this. Nets beat Knicks for Nassau Coliseum renovation contract
Posted on August 15, 2013 by Neil deMause Okay, before anyone says anything, that headline is blatantly misleading, I’ll readily admit: Forest City Ratner, which today was picked to redevelop the Nassau Coliseum and its surrounding property, is only a minority owner of the Brooklyn Nets now after selling majority ownership to Mikhail Prokhorov to raise funds to build the Barclays Center; and Madison Square Garden, which lost out to FCR, owns other stuff in addition to the Knicks. I feel dirty with SEO. But anyway, Forest City Ratner will indeed be the Nassau Coliseum developers, which means it’s going to be their problem how to figure out to make over an arena with no anchor sports tenant and hefty competition from the Garden, the Prudential Center (now with less feeble owner), and, yes, Barclays. It’s conceivable that FCR will try to bundle its two arena properties somehow to offer something that the other local arenas can’t, but unless that’s “We won’t book you into Brooklyn unless you play your second local night on Long Island,” I’m not sure what that’d be. Anyway, Nassau can now look forward to getting its own version of the Brooklyn spaceship, only with less rust on the outside. Not like anyone should care much in Nassau since no one lives within half a mile of the place there, and not like FCR’s initial designs in Brooklyn looked anything like what they ultimately built, but if you’re the type who gets off on vaportecture, go crazy. www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/08/15/5750/nets-beat-knicks-for-nassau-coliseum-renovation-contract/#comments
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 20, 2013 19:12:12 GMT -6
Barclays center will be renovated easily. Areas that are without stands will turn into pop up luxary sections
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