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Post by jetsv2 on Jun 24, 2012 14:23:17 GMT -6
I can't believe only 1 vote for grigorenko and 14 in favor of Trouba. Something smells rotten. I mean as fans we should be way more objective then this. Im sorry, but the obsession youve had with Grigorenko over the last two days tells me that you are not thinking objectivly and are just mad becasue the jets didnt pick your favorite player in the draft.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 24, 2012 21:58:59 GMT -6
If that's what you characterize as obsession, it's not the first time someone's called it that and won't be the last. Point being, that there is no reason to suggest I give a false impression of myself, based on my objectivity as a fan. To call it obsession is quite a loaded term, and this board has called me worse. Another point being, if I can't defend myself against proper judgement, then I make moot observations (as I like to call them level headed.)
Putting all that aside, I am not far removed from Trouba being the pick we have.
I can assure you, my obsession is not with the player in question but conceding to the fact we don't have him. I am well within reason to carry out disputed claims, touting me as a weak liar who has egg on his face.
^All that being said, my debate is pretty clear to everyone else, no one wants to dismiss Trouba as our pick (I get that.) However, to say that was my intent as in obsession is quite laughable at best.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 24, 2012 22:07:14 GMT -6
So if all of you agree with the pick, that's fine. I don't expect you to believe me, if you honestly think I'm wrong. Also, that is to say - if (a) you really do agree that Trouba is our best choice then (b) must you feel free in negating even a hint of my personal agnostic attitude. This follows (c) I make a pretentious claim against all of you who think "this guy just rides on his high horse, that's all we need to know."
Give me a break.
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Post by jetsv2 on Jun 24, 2012 22:25:53 GMT -6
Nobody is right and nobody is wrong until we have seen all of these players play at least a full season in the NHL, then and only then can you properly determine who was the better pick.
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Post by bleedingwhite on Jun 24, 2012 22:59:09 GMT -6
I know a lot of people were talking that Grigorenko may not be committed to coming to the NHL as well, hence he dropped down. Would suck to pick him top 10 and he goes to the KHL.
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Post by joelmikk on Jun 25, 2012 9:26:22 GMT -6
we passed on DOugie Hamilton last year...(as i'm also a huge B's fan i'm ok with that haha) so i think this year they didn't make the mistake....it's not about where a guy is ranked according to central scouting or anything..its what you see your team needing down the road..you dont draft for immediate help...you draft for your future....Dougie Hamilton was the CHL defenseman of the year...Trouba could be that same guy in a year or two...he's a phenomenal Dman...we need to be more patient and trust the people that are ACTUALLY running the team! hard to believe there is this much hate already in the new Jets life. *shakes head*
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 25, 2012 9:51:38 GMT -6
Hate. That's a funny way to look at any of this. Am I afraid the jets made the wrong pick, yes. Amn I certain they made the right pick, no. There is something about speculation that doesn't necessarily trigger hatred of the team or of the pick. I believe in the size and skill grigorenko has. I equally believe in the strength and saving goal differential trouba has. It's not a one sided argument, that's not up for me to decide, although it has become a glaring misconception in what people are willing to concede. To think we made the right choice in trouba is far too easy to contemplate, without consideration of what we passed up on. The pick is just as relevant, if we did pick someone else.
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Post by TheDeuce on Jun 25, 2012 10:25:55 GMT -6
I'd be more comfortable putting faith in Chevy and co if I wasn't getting this uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. Jets 1.0 went off the board and showed some odd decision making at draft time on a number of occasions and we all know how those picks worked out.
Wait and see. We don't have any choice.
m.
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Post by Lions67 on Jun 25, 2012 10:36:58 GMT -6
I'd be more comfortable putting faith in Chevy and co if I wasn't getting this uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. Jets 1.0 went off the board and showed some odd decision making at draft time on a number of occasions and we all know how those picks worked out. Wait and see. We don't have any choice. m. thats a normal feeling. we only have v1.0 to go on.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 25, 2012 10:42:38 GMT -6
Nobody is right and nobody is wrong until we have seen all of these players play at least a full seas on in the NHL, then and only then can you properly determine who was the better pick. That's totally fair, but to come on here and feign interest, or more specifically to alienate the better half of the board simply on the fact I choose to go where nobody else wants to. Let me clarify, I think grigorenko is the purely most skilled player among forwards that were available, I don't believe in yakupov's style of play strictly based on his size.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 25, 2012 10:49:11 GMT -6
I'd be more comfortable putting faith in Chevy and co if I wasn't getting this uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. Jets 1.0 went off the board and showed some odd decision making at draft time on a number of occasions and we all know how those picks worked out. Wait and see. We don't have any choice. m. Let's talk about edm. Not picking murray, a franchise defenseman, all because tambellini over valued the pick decided to go with yakupov. Good luck trading yakupov, nobody wants him. It makes no sense, the fact murray brings to the table a huge asset the oilers needed, and they passed on him tells me they picked the wrong guy. Tambellini dangled the bait and lost big time. Nobody wants a guy who plays bigger then his size. No one.
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Post by Lions67 on Jun 25, 2012 10:49:17 GMT -6
^ let him go man. he isnt playing here. not now, not ever. and for good reason too.
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Post by jetsorbust on Jun 25, 2012 10:59:13 GMT -6
I'd be more comfortable putting faith in Chevy and co if I wasn't getting this uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. Jets 1.0 went off the board and showed some odd decision making at draft time on a number of occasions and we all know how those picks worked out. Wait and see. We don't have any choice. m. This time though I don't think the Jets went "off the board" really. Scheifele was under that category, but taking Trouba I think I would summarize by saying we chose the "less risky" pick. I wanted the Jets to take Grigeranko because I feel the biggest thing we need is true top line talent. Not top 6 but game changing top line talent. But to me, I think Gregeranko could turn into a bust or a great game-changing player. That seems to have been the prevailing fear for teams, and his inconsistency I think was the biggest reason why he dropped so much from at one point a number 2 projected pick. To me the Jets chose the less risky pick. A big bruising defenseman rather than a flashy skilled Russian forward with some consistency issues. Could work out for us or not, only time will tell (as with any pick)
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Post by bigcanadiano on Jun 25, 2012 11:04:59 GMT -6
I want to apologize to anyone who feels I'm acting suspiciously toward that end. I would hope a thread like this would create perspectives on the other picks that were available. Chevy obviously believes in size, as do the los angeles kings, no harm in modeling that type of team. I see grigorenko like a kopitar type of player.
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Post by jetsv2 on Jun 25, 2012 12:59:45 GMT -6
I'd be more comfortable putting faith in Chevy and co if I wasn't getting this uncomfortable feeling of deja vu. Jets 1.0 went off the board and showed some odd decision making at draft time on a number of occasions and we all know how those picks worked out. Wait and see. We don't have any choice. m. Except that the jets picked a guy who was depending on where you looked ranked between 5 and 9. They didnt go off the board this year.
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