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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 7:01:40 GMT -6
Here's a video i found about the NHL coming to Hamilton. They asked Bettman about Hamilton and he said the league hasn't studied it but if a 2nd team did come to Southern Ontario it may be in London or Waterloo.
This actually would make sense. It would be farther from Buffalo and preserve some of Southern Ontario for the Sabres. Buffalo is the 2nd smallest market in the league.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 21, 2011 12:19:17 GMT -6
I think if the US economy continues to have it's problems we may see another team in Southern Ontario and a second team in Toronto.
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Post by jjmoohead on Aug 21, 2011 15:05:14 GMT -6
I would be curious to see what could happen in Toronto with 2 teams. Leafs fans are probably the most loyal fans in the world. I wonder if the new team would be accepted?
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Aug 21, 2011 19:36:36 GMT -6
I don't mind having one as long as it does not affect Buffalo!  |
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Post by Guardian on Aug 21, 2011 20:14:53 GMT -6
^^I think Buffalo will be fine with their new ownership.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 22:50:17 GMT -6
I think if the US economy continues to have it's problems we may see another team in Southern Ontario and a second team in Toronto. No way will that happen as much as pro canadian nationalist would like to see it. I wouldn't be suprised to see 1 more team but not 2. Its going to be very hard to get 1 more team in South Ontario. I predict it will be a long drawn out process but in around 10 or 15 years it will happen. Not only does a new ownership group need to pay off/overcome the Maple Leafs and Sabres but they will have to fund a new arena. It will probably cost 1 billion dollars total for a 2nd team. If i was the NHL i'd put the team in downtown Toronto. Toronto is big enough for 2 teams and it would be far away enough not to hurt Buffalo. |
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 22:54:34 GMT -6
I would be curious to see what could happen in Toronto with 2 teams. Leafs fans are probably the most loyal fans in the world. I wonder if the new team would be accepted? With a new arena it would work. The Golden Horseshoe area has 8.1 million people. Thats more than enough in hockey mad Canada to make it work. They would always be a distance 2nd favorite to the Leafs but they would still be a success. The 2nd team would be similar to the New York Mets in baseball or the Los Angeles Angels in baseball both 2nd favorites in their respective hometowns to the Yankees and Dodgers yet very successful. |
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 21, 2011 22:57:56 GMT -6
^^I think Buffalo will be fine with their new ownership. Probably but Buffalo is the 2nd smallest market and its one of the few big metro areas in United States that is shrinking. The NHL shouldn't risk putting a team in Hamilton because if Buffalo fails where do you move them? Once southern Ontario,Quebec City and maybe Seattle are filled you are out of options. Putting a team in Toronto or London/Waterloo is a much safer option because then Buffalo can keep part of South Ontario. |
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Post by comique on Sept 14, 2011 11:52:52 GMT -6
^^I think Buffalo will be fine with their new ownership. I think the new owner is banking on the Canadian $$ crossing the border 2 to 3 times a week so not sure after spending $3M over salary cap, he will let this happen. If fact, if he really is as smart as he is made out to be (I am not so sure), he would have gotten as ironclad as he can get agreement from NHL on other teams bumping up to the Buffalo market. |
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Post by cougar222 on Sept 18, 2011 21:30:55 GMT -6
I would be curious to see what could happen in Toronto with 2 teams. Leafs fans are probably the most loyal fans in the world. I wonder if the new team would be accepted? With a new arena it would work. The Golden Horseshoe area has 8.1 million people. Thats more than enough in hockey mad Canada to make it work. They would always be a distance 2nd favorite to the Leafs but they would still be a success. The 2nd team would be similar to the New York Mets in baseball or the Los Angeles Angels in baseball both 2nd favorites in their respective hometowns to the Yankees and Dodgers yet very successful. No I disagree. The Leafs would be a distant 2nd favorite to the new Toronto team once the new Toronto team did something the Leafs haven't done for decades: put a competitive team on the ice that has a real chance of winning. The Leafs' ownership are really afraid of that because it would cost them a lot of money to buy a winner and compete. |
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 18, 2011 23:28:59 GMT -6
With a new arena it would work. The Golden Horseshoe area has 8.1 million people. Thats more than enough in hockey mad Canada to make it work. They would always be a distance 2nd favorite to the Leafs but they would still be a success. The 2nd team would be similar to the New York Mets in baseball or the Los Angeles Angels in baseball both 2nd favorites in their respective hometowns to the Yankees and Dodgers yet very successful. No I disagree. The Leafs would be a distant 2nd favorite to the new Toronto team once the new Toronto team did something the Leafs haven't done for decades: put a competitive team on the ice that has a real chance of winning. The Leafs' ownership are really afraid of that because it would cost them a lot of money to buy a winner and compete. Not a chance. The Leafs have way too much history. I don't care if they never win again. In other 2 team cities one team is always the more dominant over the other usually the one with the most history and the best park. For example in baseball the White Sox won the world series in 2005(the 1st world series win for any Chicago team since 1917) and everyone was predicting the White Sox would overtake the Cubs in popularity. It never happened because the Cubs have Wrigley field. In the NBA if the Clippers started winning in LA(HA HA) and the Lakers started losing it would still be a Laker town because of the history. The Leafs are just being smart business men. Anyone would do the same. Why do you think the San Francisco Giants are trying to force the Oakland A's out of the bay area instead of letting them move to San Jose? You'd be nuts not to want a market of 8.1 million all to your self. They also worry about how a 2nd team would affect the Toronto Raptors. Despite all the losing the Raptors do very well financially. |
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Post by Sam on Sept 20, 2011 13:44:05 GMT -6
OK, well first of all, I don't think a second team would be accepted all-too-greatly in Toronto, although I think they'd still sell the tickets because as someone said, it's an 8.1 million market, and lets face it, even if you didn't support the team who was closest to you, you'd still go to a few games because NHL hockey is the best. Also, is London/Waterloo a good market for NHL? Hamilton would be, but then I think the Sabres would turn into a Coyotes, not selling enough tickets and eventually costing the NHL more money than they're worth. Also, in response to mikecubs, there's plenty of other cities that would accept a team, Hartford for one have been craving for their Whalers for years.
Kind of turning into a 'where else could the Yotes relocate too' post haha
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 20, 2011 22:53:03 GMT -6
OK, well first of all, I don't think a second team would be accepted all-too-greatly in Toronto, although I think they'd still sell the tickets because as someone said, it's an 8.1 million market, and lets face it, even if you didn't support the team who was closest to you, you'd still go to a few games because NHL hockey is the best. Also, is London/Waterloo a good market for NHL? Hamilton would be, but then I think the Sabres would turn into a Coyotes, not selling enough tickets and eventually costing the NHL more money than they're worth. Also, in response to mikecubs, there's plenty of other cities that would accept a team, Hartford for one have been craving for their Whalers for years. Kind of turning into a 'where else could the Yotes relocate too' post haha The Coyotes will eventually end up in QC. Other than that there won't be another relocation for 10 years. There are no cities ready to host a team due to the bad US economy and the lack of suitable arenas. Hartford is a long ways away from being another Winnipeg. Remember they have no arena. The united states economy and particularly Hartford's is ruin. Maybe in 10 years Hartford can get the Florida Panthers. And the 1st time around Hartfords attendance was horrible. www.ctnewsjunkie.com/ctnj.php/archives/entry/analysis_can_hartford_be_the_next_winnipeg_for_the_nhl/Besides Hartford where would be a good site for a team? Maybe Seattle with a new arena and thats it. Once you get past Phoenix i don't think that many teams are move worthy at this point. Lot of this talk about relocation is overblown. Your right about Hamilton killing Buffalo. Check out the operating income for the Sabres in the 2000's on forbes. To even think about a 2nd team in South Ontario it would have to be in Toronto. |
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