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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 7, 2014 21:29:42 GMT -6
I love baseball, I dont love the MLb....i love 162 sox games a year i try to watch most but its getting harder...how can someone who is a cubs fan love baseball haha
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 7, 2014 21:38:07 GMT -6
Im still waiting for a real baseball star to return....Since ken Griffey nobody has come close imo. Even thar artificial roid freaks.
certainly baseball should be bigger in mexico...I think Mainland europe should be a target...Mainly the netherlands, spain and Italy.
trust me i watch a ton of baseball. I just hate the direction of the MLB.
The game is currently boring. Speed it the F up. Watch an old baseball game pitcher gets the ball steps on the mound and throws no wait just looks off a runner and goes. Now its 10 mins of nut scratching and stepping out and off.
I believe baseball is 9 on 9 but i cant stand to watch 9 on 9 baseball. National league product is horrendous. absolutely horrendous. just crap hitting bad lineups and pitching duals.
IMO its time for dh league wide or at least world series DH only.
Baseball needs a cap floor. I have a hard time respecting the mlb when teams like the astros and marlins can do...whatever it is they do.
As far as soccer low scoring? its becoming a myth. the game opens up late most often and gets really exciting. Also Often times games can open early scoring then its a great match because teams come out of the shell, league soccer tends to be more flowing, more goals.
Watch hockey games in the playoffs great...but not because of goals.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 7, 2014 21:48:27 GMT -6
That's too bad. I had the same problem once I got out of college. All the other sports it's possible to follow the majority if not all the games. NBA/NHL 3 times a week is doable and still have time/a life(one not both). Baseball isn't once you get a real job or get to those last tough college years where you do nothing but study. That's why the national tv rating suck and will always suck unless something bizarre happens like the Cubs play in and win the world series.
Look baseball is never going to die like negative sports reporters/soccer fans dream of but I will say this. Long term the sport is going to need a batter pitch clock to keep popularity near what it is now or improve. 162 is bad enough. All the extra time with guys adjusting batting gloves/scratching their ****, the pitcher adjusting his cap endlessly, guess stepping out of the batter box is maddening. Pre- Mike Hargrove the sport actually had a decent pace. There are rules in place but Bud doesn't enforce them. He just "studies" it. You keep playing 3+ hour games MLB will fall behind NBA. People lead too busy of lives to waste 30-40 minutes per game on nothingness.
I can withstand incredible amounts of punishment. That's how I'm a Cubs fan. That and Wrigley field. No Wrigley Field and the Cubs would have broke my spirit long ago. 2008 almost killed my love of baseball believe it or not. Best record, swept by LA, team too old to contend anymore a LONGGGGG rebuilding process starts:(
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 7, 2014 22:01:34 GMT -6
Im still waiting for a real baseball star to return....Since ken Griffey nobody has come close imo. Even thar artificial roid freaks. certainly baseball should be bigger in mexico...I think Mainland europe should be a target...Mainly the netherlands, spain and Italy. trust me i watch a ton of baseball. I just hate the direction of the MLB. The game is currently boring. Speed it the F up. Watch an old baseball game pitcher gets the ball steps on the mound and throws no wait just looks off a runner and goes. Now its 10 mins of nut scratching and stepping out and off. I believe baseball is 9 on 9 but i cant stand to watch 9 on 9 baseball. National league product is horrendous. absolutely horrendous. just crap hitting bad lineups and pitching duals. IMO its time for dh league wide or at least world series DH only. Baseball needs a cap floor. I have a hard time respecting the mlb when teams like the astros and marlins can do...whatever it is they do. As far as soccer low scoring? its becoming a myth. the game opens up late most often and gets really exciting. Also Often times games can open early scoring then its a great match because teams come out of the shell, league soccer tends to be more flowing, more goals. Watch hockey games in the playoffs great...but not because of goals. Plenty of young stars in MLB and I don't mind the pitching duals. Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw says hello!!! Steroid era was cool at 1st but after a while the games just seem so ragged. Agree 100% on the time wasted with guys scratching themselves. This is the number 1 threat to the sport. I just don't have the 30-40 minutes per game anymore to put up with this myself. Too much down time for 0 reason. DH was the dumbest rule of all time in any sport but players union is too powerful to make it go away. I don't think they should wreck the other half of the league with that. Cap floor will just cause teams to spend on crap players to get up to cap level. Houston's rebuilding is paying off. They have the number 1 farm system in the game and if they ever solve their bankruptcy local TV deal they will have big market $$$. Houston is rich and has run away population growth. I could see the Astros winning the series in a few years. The crime here is other teams subsidized the Astros rebuilding through revenue sharing. The top 15 markets not receiving revenue sharing didn't kick in right away it was phased in. If someone like that wants to cheat the system by tanking for top picks they shouldn't receive $$$$ to do it. As far as Miami the marlins made great progress. If Jose Fernandez didn't get hurt they really would have had a shot. Jeff should still be removed though. Or bear minimum Selig should sit down with Jeff and explain to him that if he doesn't sign G. Stanton to a long term deal he's out as owner. I don't think Miami could handle it if Jeff doesn't pay up and trades him away. Italy, Neitherlands, Spain would be a waste. Those are dying countries. The countries to hit better are Mexico(our number 1 population sender) and Brazil(biggest country in Latin America). Europe has no upside. We don't get much immigration from there and it's dying. Literally dying. Might as well light the money you'd spend on those places on fire.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 5:49:03 GMT -6
Wow you realy are a baseball lover.
No cap floor Really? You think its fine for owners to spend the way they do? No a floor is neccesarry. Make them spend its shameful and its crapy for the fans to see what miaimi and houston has done. When you resort to Defending loria? i stop trusting you.
Netherlands doesnt mean spending on the mainland (their islands), but italy netherlands and spain have always been a key for american sports to grow in europe. I dont care about people immigrating here i care about seeing the game be an actual world wide sport other than third world crap holes and a few asian countries..
Rebuilding through revenue sharing is a joke. Spend the god damn money. Houston and Miami make more money not competing and its pathetic. Yes SPEND MONEY ON CRAP PLAYERs. WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BILLIONAIRES NOT SPENDING MONEY.
Baseball has a ton of problems you lok at it too rosy.
its fine watching pitching duals, but dont then complain about soccer scoring.
Trout is not that exciting. He is a money ball king who is loved by nerds like nate silver. I want power. Actually hitting power not what we say in the 90s.
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Post by Hannu Smail on Jul 8, 2014 9:32:02 GMT -6
Wow you realy are a baseball lover. No cap floor Really? You think its fine for owners to spend the way they do? No a floor is neccesarry. Make them spend its shameful and its crapy for the fans to see what miaimi and houston has done. When you resort to Defending loria? i stop trusting you. Netherlands doesnt mean spending on the mainland (their islands), but italy netherlands and spain have always been a key for american sports to grow in europe. I dont care about people immigrating here i care about seeing the game be an actual world wide sport other than third world crap holes and a few asian countries.. Rebuilding through revenue sharing is a joke. Spend the god damn money. Houston and Miami make more money not competing and its pathetic. Yes SPEND MONEY ON CRAP PLAYERs. WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BILLIONAIRES NOT SPENDING MONEY. Baseball has a ton of problems you lok at it too rosy. its fine watching pitching duals, but dont then complain about soccer scoring. Trout is not that exciting. He is a money ball king who is loved by nerds like nate silver. I want power. Actually hitting power not what we say in the 90s. Yeah, I will never question your opinion on the Biz of Sports because you and mikecubs are all over this forum, and, even if I disagree, your support your takes with evidence and arguments. But the bolded above, and I apologize in advance for this because it's not meant as an attack, makes your opinion on the GAME (not business) of baseball easy to dismiss. We have not seen a player like Mike Trout come along for generations. You want power? He hit 30 HR as a 20 year old rookie. "Slumped" to 27 in his sophomore year. Already has 20 a little past the halfway point of this season. On top of that, the guy has elite speed/baserunning and plays elite defense. A comparable to his career trajectory would be someone like Mickey Mantle (with speed) for heavens sake. "Loved by nerds like Nate Silver"?... there isn't one GM in the league who wouldn't take him first overall by a mile to start a franchise from scratch. I'd suggest that if Trout played on the east coast (Yankees, Red Sox...) and thus received more prime time exposure, you wouldn't be saying Trout doesn't excite you.
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Post by Hannu Smail on Jul 8, 2014 9:34:05 GMT -6
(PS... good luck with the studying!)
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 11:28:12 GMT -6
let me know when trout is hitting 40 before mickeys name is even thought of.
I feel like people try to make trout out to be the next griffy. IMO he hasnt shown me he is going to be anything other the the last few young superstars to come through the league that seem to fade into irrelevance....and maybe im cynical but i dont trust any players today they are one clinic list away from being frauds.
and yea maybe i have east coast bias
the league is all pitching now. And the 3 hours of ass scratching and chew spitting for 3 pitches and a fly out just isnt doing it for me.
i wnat to see some stalling type calls put in place on both the pitcher and batter...keep them in the box and on the mound.
if I had a choice to build a franchise I would take a top pitcher before thinking about trout. You win through building your roster through salary at the pitching position
PS i still take cabrera before trout.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 11:31:38 GMT -6
thought i just had,
what if oakland takes it this year? what does the city do? kick the best team in baseball out of town for the biggest joke in football (that isnt Jacksonville lol) ?
The A's are the best team in baseball and may be able to use that to their advantage
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Post by Hannu Smail on Jul 8, 2014 12:23:34 GMT -6
Mickey Mantle didn't even hit 30 HR until his 5th year in the league (when he was 25). Same as Griffey Jr. Trout did that in his first full season in the majors... at 20. 20! If Trout hasn't shown you that he's going to be the next huge baseball star (already the best in the game, regardless), then there is literally nothing he could do to show you aside from wait for the passage of time. Which young stars that have faded into irrelevance are you comparing him to?
No way I'd take a pitcher over Trout. You have seen the recent trend towards blowing out arms, right? It's basically a foregone conclusion for all these young power arms in today's game. The human body was just not meant to throw a ball 95+ MPH like these guys all regularly clock these days.
Oh, and Cabrera's bat is almost a wash compared to Trout's - I'll even give Miggy the edge. But there's more than one aspect to the game - defense, baserunning... not to mention age and the fact that Cabrera has to be entering a decline here - especially with that body.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 13:46:59 GMT -6
Micky also was fighting through a yankees lineup, and i believe the higher pitchers mound.
He isnt griffey or mickey....And i take one look at trout and see that hgh look. sorry i dont trust players today, and he plays in nowheresville so ya im not gunna care about him lol
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Post by Hannu Smail on Jul 8, 2014 13:53:45 GMT -6
Well, fair enough... the roids scandal has tainted the views of a lot of fans and you certainly aren't alone there. I just enjoy the game, and see Trout as hands-down the best young talent in baseball. I have no way of knowing if he's juicing or not... could he be? Absolutely. I just don't see the point of being pessimistic about every player who puts up extraordinary numbers... kills the buzz, man!
Just my 2c.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 14:09:01 GMT -6
Sorry im still a traumatized 15 year old who saw all his heros crying before congress lol.
I havent forgiven the game.
and the sox really suck this year which is fine fine but it gets me down on baseball also im less familiar with national issues cause as mikecubs has said baseball is so localized that its hard to keep up with it.
Me and mike disagree on a few things, football i think a team in south texas should be regional to draw in 2 cities, I think going into LA without a stadium would be a good idea but thats only wiht a forced sale of the raiders
baseball: i see the sports decline, its lost its hero status that it used to have and i think its headed for a cliff because of bud selig. I dont see the big tv numbers as positive as it should be, the game needs national appeal its a stronger base than the current regional cable structure.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 8, 2014 17:45:36 GMT -6
one suggested place for the a's is San antonio...really only realistic with a modern stadium built and the alamo dome as a temp facilty.
285 to right field? How would i fix that? A blue monster haha. Put a 20 foot wall in right field wher the distance is too short you would still have plenty of stands including the ones not blocked. baseball ttenda
I wouldnt be a fan of a san antonio move for baseball, not able to support 2 full time teams down there.
Id only support an nfl move to san antonio.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 8, 2014 21:07:12 GMT -6
Wow you realy are a baseball lover. No cap floor Really? You think its fine for owners to spend the way they do? No a floor is neccesarry. Make them spend its shameful and its crapy for the fans to see what miaimi and houston has done. When you resort to Defending loria? i stop trusting you. Netherlands doesnt mean spending on the mainland (their islands), but italy netherlands and spain have always been a key for american sports to grow in europe. I dont care about people immigrating here i care about seeing the game be an actual world wide sport other than third world crap holes and a few asian countries.. Rebuilding through revenue sharing is a joke. Spend the god damn money. Houston and Miami make more money not competing and its pathetic. Yes SPEND MONEY ON CRAP PLAYERs. WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING BILLIONAIRES NOT SPENDING MONEY. Baseball has a ton of problems you lok at it too rosy. its fine watching pitching duals, but dont then complain about soccer scoring. Trout is not that exciting. He is a money ball king who is loved by nerds like nate silver. I want power. Actually hitting power not what we say in the 90s. Now come on argue honest. I've said many times the sport would be better off if Loria was kicked out. If he doesn't sign G. Stanton long term that should be the final straw. What I've said in the past and now is that the Toronto trade was defensible. Marlins were a last place overpriced team. Teams like that get broke up and rebuilt. Where Jeff should get criticism is NOT that trade but the decision to trade Miguel Cabrera AFTER the new stadium was approved. His argument was that he shouldn't have had to spend money until the new stadium actually opened. Just a terrible decision. When Cleveland got their park approved back in the 90's they locked up Albert Bell, Baerga, Kenny Lofton before the park opened. The Indians went on an incredible run. Jeff also destroyed Hanley Ramirez. Hanley Ramirez needs to be pushed or else he slacks off and Jeff wouldn't let the coaching staff push him because he wanted to be friends with him. He got fat and out of shape and they had to trade him to the Dodgers for nothing because his value was close to 0 thanks to Jeff. Now on to the Astros. Fans long term will LOVE what the Astros done. It's 100% impossible to question them. They have the number 1 farm system. They are not going to be perpetually rebuilding. The owner says they are going to have a top 10 payroll once they are ready to win. With all the good young cheap talent plus tons of $$$ for free agents look out. Buster Olnery of ESPN had a story a while back on ESPN how many teams in the future might copy the Astros plan it's worked so well. Teams have to have the right to tear it down 100%. That's how small markets win and in some cases big markets too(or don't win by not doing this). You have to time it where a bunch of guys are in their primes at the same time. So you need a ton of prospects to arrive around the same time. In the 90's small market teams didn't understand this strategy and tried to sign "proven vetrans" ie 2nd tear players so they could win 70 games in the short term. It was called "proven vetran syndrome" lots of teams had this philosophy until sabermetrics came along. One of the reasons the Cubs never win is because until Tom Rickets/Theo Espein came in they wouldn't tear it down and rebuild because they didn't want to lose a few thousand fans per year in the short term. Tribune looked at short term $$$ instead of doing the right thing. Look at the Cubs history of developing prospects:( They could never sustain winning because of this. The way you win is this. Bottom out, get good prospects, try and sign a decent amount to long term deals(through their arbitration years and a year or 2 of free agency) after their 1st or 2nd year in the league(like the Pirates did with Andrew McClutchen, the Rays with Evan Longoria etc...) One other reason I don't like the cap floor is because in NBA they have it and when the Bulls were trying to tank for picks after the Jordan Bulls broke up they signed Will Perdue(remember him LOL) to something like a 1 year 10M dollar deal just to make the cap floor. What would work better is come up with a complex formula where you can bottom out/break up an old team like the Astros were BUT make it where somehow you get punished SEVERLY IF you don't sign the young talent to long term deals once they are in the big leagues a year or 2. So if someone like Jeff lets someone like G. Stanton go unless he asked for something goofy find a way to punish that. We can find something negative with every sport if we want and choose to like another sport better. Baseball is slow(no pitch clock) and the volume of games is overwhelming, the games in September suck with the 40 man callups(a few top prospects would be fine but too many old journey men get recalled making September seem like spring training) the postseason will never draw decent ratings again unless something bizarre happens, the DH sucks. NFL has concussion problems(there's no solution for this the game is too violent), NBA has the black superstar problem of playing for only big cities, NHL can't sell hockey in most south cities, soccer here won't ever be top tier compare to Europe. Average MLS soccer team averages 1.389 goals per game, average mlb team averages 4.135 runs per game. I didn't say I like constant 1-0 games. I do like some action just not 11-10 ragged games played by big steroid men. Now come on I get your down on baseball because of the steroid thing but Mike Trout is exciting. I don't know how to break this to you but a good majority of NFL players HUGE bodies may NOT be natural. LOL. You realize NFL doesn't test for HGH.
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