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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 9, 2014 14:02:45 GMT -6
Atletiques, they'll change it to Expos and suspend operations of the Athletics similar to when the browns relocated to Baltimore and became the ravens in the nfl.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 9, 2014 14:12:34 GMT -6
Atletiques, they'll change it to Expos and suspend operations of the Athletics similar to when the browns relocated to Baltimore and became the ravens in the nfl. actually wouldnt put it past them to doit its up to wolfe since oakland really doesnt have a monopoly on a team name that has passed between 3 cities. Athletiques de Montreal? Not a bad name, but montreal fans might ask for their own identity to meaning the A's become a name for future expansion to the bay area or west coast in general. but The A's are staying now...im certain. The city council if they lose the raiders gain the A's because wolfe instead of colliseum city the mythical beast would get development rights and rights to the land to develop a new stadium and retail destrict for 81 events a year.
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 9, 2014 14:28:56 GMT -6
Oh we'll. if the rays move to Montreal it would save any realignment bs. I just hope Montreal gets another baseball team I miss the canada day games between the two cities.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 9, 2014 14:31:15 GMT -6
Rays would be fantastic because it puts toronto and montreal in the same league and division, plus the added bonus of big money clubs and their traveling fans
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 9, 2014 14:38:10 GMT -6
^ as long as Montreal doesn't basically become a farm team again. Last time ownership wouldn't keep players when they wanted more money and they left to Boston New York etc. I want to see competitive teams in canada not just teams who never go anywhere.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 14:53:11 GMT -6
Atletiques, they'll change it to Expos and suspend operations of the Athletics similar to when the browns relocated to Baltimore and became the ravens in the nfl. actually wouldnt put it past them to doit its up to wolfe since oakland really doesnt have a monopoly on a team name that has passed between 3 cities. Athletiques de Montreal? Not a bad name, but montreal fans might ask for their own identity to meaning the A's become a name for future expansion to the bay area or west coast in general. but The A's are staying now...im certain. The city council if they lose the raiders gain the A's because wolfe instead of colliseum city the mythical beast would get development rights and rights to the land to develop a new stadium and retail destrict for 81 events a year. If the A's did leave for Montreal Bay Area becomes Giants territory forever. If you can't overturn the territory rights now they won't ever be overturned. I wouldn't be so certain the A's stay. Oakland city council is very dumb. Wouldn't surprise me if they vote down the A's lease, lose the A's then find out they don't have enough $$$ for NFL stadium and lose the Raiders too. It would be classic Oakland if they did something that dumb.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 14:58:00 GMT -6
^ as long as Montreal doesn't basically become a farm team again. Last time ownership wouldn't keep players when they wanted more money and they left to Boston New York etc. I want to see competitive teams in canada not just teams who never go anywhere. not saying Montreal will get MLB but last time there wasn't revenue sharing, there was no local tv sports stations, the national tv deal wasn't like now, there was a crap park that was ugly and had less than 0 amenities, and teams didn't figure out the dollars for security trick yet. Also last time it was important to be able to sign 30 to 40 year olds because they were productive yet due to steroids. Now it's not such a great thing to be able to sign 30 to 40 year olds because of testing in a lot of cases. Game is a lot different compare to then. It's still not 100% even but it's closer than before.
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 9, 2014 15:17:33 GMT -6
^ well other than Montreal I don't think there are any cities that can host an MLB team. I might be wrong but I think MLB is pretty much maxed out. I think Montreal could work as long as they build a decent stadium down town and run it properly. He fan support is there Montreal absolutely could work. But if the ownership is clueless yes it could flop again. But given a good stadium and owner, the ownership group seems smart, I think MLB will be a success in Montreal again.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 16:22:04 GMT -6
^^ no there are no other cities for another 20 years(at that point Charlotte or a San Antonio could probably work, (if they keep something close to current growth rates) but the problem is if the A's/Rays stay Montreal is SOL. Can't do a 1 team expansion. Last Expos ownership had no clue but even if they did too much was going against them at that time. No one could have made it work at that time.
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 9, 2014 17:35:17 GMT -6
^ i guess anything could happen. As much as it would surprise me if neither city got a stadium built it wouldn't surprise me if either or both did as well. But at least in 20 or so years when another city is ready they could expand by 2 teams with one going to Montreal.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 20:27:22 GMT -6
I could see scenario 2 happening just as much as scenario 1. If you made me take a guess I'll say Oakland and Tampa get it done somehow, 20 years from now MLB goes back to Montreal and Charlotte. Minor league ball is popular in Charlotte(google Charlotte Knights break attendance record) and the city does have 14 fortune 1000 companies but only 2.5M people right now. Charlotte is growing 300,000 for every 10 years if current trends hold. I could see a 3.2M ish Charlotte getting a team and by that time a 5.1 to 5.6M ish Montreal getting a team.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 20:29:37 GMT -6
A's co-owner: No interest in Montreal or San AntonioThe Oakland A's have no plans to flee to Canada or Texas if they can't stay in the Coliseum, the team's co-owner said Wednesday. Oakland City Councilman Larry Reid said earlier this week that he feared the team would move to Montreal or San Antonio, Texas, if the city did not ratify a lease deal to keep the A's in the O.co Coliseum for up to 10 years. Reid said that was the word he'd gotten from negotiators for the Coliseum Authority, which runs the stadium and worked out the lease with the team. But A's co-owner Lew Wolff said he hadn't spent any time thinking about those two cities and wasn't even sure Montreal has a stadium that would fit the team's needs.
"I have not done one thing relative to that," Wolff said. "We'd rather stay in the Bay Area than move to Timbuktu." Major League Baseball Commissioner Bud Selig gave the team permission last week to seek a home outside Oakland immediately as city officials balked at the lease deal. The City Council wants the A's to pay $21 million over the 10-year term of the lease instead of the $15.5 million under the proposed deal, and it wants the A's to commit to playing in the Coliseum through at least 2019 instead of 2017. Both the City Council and the Alameda County Board of Supervisors must approve the lease. The council will debate the agreement in closed session Tuesday. Wolff said the only step the A's have taken to look for a new home is investigating whether they could play temporarily at an under-construction soccer stadium in San Jose. The 18,000-seat stadium is being built for the San Jose Earthquakes, which Wolff co-owns. The Montreal Expos played in 66,000-seat Olympic Stadium before leaving for Washington, D.C., following the 2004 season. Without elaborating, Wolff said he didn't think it would meet the team's needs.
San Antonio is home to the Alamodome , a 65,000-seat domed stadium used mainly for football. It has hosted exhibition baseball games, but with a right-field fence that was a mere 280 feet from home plate - closer than any outfield fence in the major leagues. Reid, who sits on the Coliseum Authority board and voted for the lease agreement , did not return a call seeking comment on Wolff's remarks. Wolff also expressed doubt that the Oakland Raiders would be ready to tear down the Coliseum next year and build a new, football-only stadium by 2018. A memo sent to Mayor Jean Quan by planners for a city-backed sports-retail complex called Coliseum City said they hope to have a stadium deal by the end of the summer that would require demolishing the Coliseum next year. "I think for someone to say that next year that they are tearing down the Coliseum" isn't realistic, Wolff said. "That isn't something that is done in a year." Wolff said he was willing to consider keeping the team in Oakland at the Coliseum site or moving to San Jose, something the San Francisco Giants oppose and Major League Baseball has blocked. " We'd like to revaluate both San Jose and only the Coliseum," Wolff said, reiterating that he had no interest in a city plan to build a ballpark at Howard Terminal near Jack London Square. "It is worse than a nonstarter," Wolff said of the site, saying building a ballpark there would be too expensive.
But Wolff said the question of where the team will be over the long term is a lesser priority than getting the new Coliseum lease settled. The team's current lease expires after next season. "Right now I need a lease extension," Wolff said. "If I don't have it, I can't waste my time and the time of staff on things we can't control." www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/A-s-co-owner-No-interest-in-Montreal-or-San-5609728.php
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 9, 2014 20:38:31 GMT -6
only way to make the alamo dome work is to block off a large sectio of seats at the short porch with a big ass wall.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 9, 2014 20:39:44 GMT -6
I could see scenario 2 happening just as much as scenario 1. If you made me take a guess I'll say Oakland and Tampa get it done somehow, 20 years from now MLB goes back to Montreal and Charlotte. Minor league ball is popular in Charlotte(google Charlotte Knights break attendance record) and the city does have 14 fortune 1000 companies but only 2.5M people right now. Charlotte is growing 300,000 for every 10 years if current trends hold. I could see a 3.2M ish Charlotte getting a team and by that time a 5.1 to 5.6M ish Montreal getting a team. yup minor league ball is big in the carolinas....but i dont want that tradition to change. I feel like they should be proud of that strong minor league tradition in that state. Its kindof like the cape league in a way where its good baseball that has a ton of tradition tied up with it at a lower level.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 9, 2014 22:50:01 GMT -6
only way to make the alamo dome work is to block off a large sectio of seats at the short porch with a big ass wall. That might work but the biggest problem is San Antonio is only 2.2M people, only has 6 fortune 1000 companies, and the per capita income is one of the lowest for a big city 39,019. It would also be the smallest TV market in MLB. San Antonio is poor.
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