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Post by wolfmannick on Oct 6, 2015 17:00:44 GMT -6
Who is going to own a team in Puerto Rico I don't think they have any big money at all in the State?(whatever it technically is at the moment) and is there really a fanbase who will go to 81 games a year? Who will be buying these tickets?
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 6, 2015 17:03:04 GMT -6
No one. Bruinsfans argument was it would be rehabilitated economically and people would move their. The Expos thing was a disaster year 2. I don't see the US rehabbing it much because it's dying demographically with low birth rate and everyone emigrating. Why put $$$ in it?
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Post by wolfmannick on Oct 6, 2015 17:38:17 GMT -6
^ Plus its not like there is any money in it revenue wise. Not like it is a big market that will garner huge revenue from a television deal. High risk no reward.
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 6, 2015 22:29:02 GMT -6
Exactly. The other thing too just isn't population moving there but corporations too. I laugh at small non growing rust belts like Milwaukee/Cincinnati etc.. but those places do have double digit fortune 1000 companies.
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 16, 2015 23:04:57 GMT -6
St. Pete to discuss letting Rays look at new stadium sitesThe chairman of the St. Petersburg City Council has called a special meeting to discuss letting the Tampa Bay Rays look at sites for a new baseball stadium in both Hillsborough and Pinellas counties. What do you think? The Rays' use agreement at Tropicana Field forbids looking beyond the Trop until 2027. Twice last year the city council rejected "look-see" contract amendments negotiated by the mayor and Rays management. What do you think? "It removes the uncertainty on the Rays' side. Will council approve this or not?" Gerdes told FOX 13.What do you think? The special meeting will start with terms Gerdes has crafted. Under his proposal, the Rays could look at stadium sites in both counties for free. What do you think? "I've chosen to allow the looking period for free because they're looking in St. Petersburg, and I don't want to charge them for that," Gerdes explained.What do you think? Should the Rays select a site outside St. Petersburg, they would initially pay $1.4 million a year. What do you think? "Three years, four years, however long it takes them to build at the new location. That would be $1.4 million a year," Gerdes said. What do you think? Once the franchise actually vacates Tropicana Field, it will continue to cost the Rays.What do you think? "For every year that they're absent from the site up until 2027, it's $2.5 million," he continued.What do you think? In round numbers, $20 million appears to be the maximum exposure to the Rays to leave St. Petersburg before the end of its use agreement. Gerdes said he is trying to assuage some council members who objected to the compensation in earlier unsuccessful "look-see" deals. What do you think? "The Rays made it very clear. They're not going to consider a deal that's better than what was on the table before," Mayor Rick Kriseman said.What do you think? However, Kriseman said he has been working with Gerdes and will be happy to convey any city council proposal to the Rays. That may happen before the city council acts. What do you think? "I think it's important to let them know, 'Hey, I'm working with council, we're trying to come up with something that's palatable to them, and would palatable to you,'" Kriseman said. "Hopefully we're able to do that."What do you think? The special meeting of the city council will be next Thursday at 2 p.m. www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/33170971-story
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Post by wolfmannick on Oct 17, 2015 9:05:35 GMT -6
^ this has happened before and the city refused to let them look for a new site to build a stadium on what has changed that they will change their minds?
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 17, 2015 23:46:56 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Oct 18, 2015 20:41:59 GMT -6
So on the mlb expansion issue.
A place that always gets brought up is north jersey. As much as Mike Cubs would oppose it, Id love a third NY/NJ team. ITs an area that gets the game, wathces the game...would they jump from the mets and yanks easily no...but they would go watch. It would just need to be accessible by the Jersey teams but in a decent area (by that i mean not in not newark).
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 18, 2015 22:35:06 GMT -6
3 teams is too much for even mighty New York. The Mets are a top 10 team but they had over 10,000 empty seats this year per game and so did the Yankees. It makes no sense to drop the Mets down into the 20,000s. Wilpon is still paying for the Bernie Madoff mess too. There is question on weather he can afford to resign Cespedes. I hope he does. I WANT a long term rivalry between the Mets and Cubs. Mets will waste all the young pitching if he leave. I don't see any place in Jersey that works. Newark didn't draw for the Nets for 2 years and doesn't draw for the Devils. The Devils/Nets didn't draw in East Rutherford either. Newark has excellent public transport. Only a couple minutes from Manhattan/Penn Station right next to the arena.
It's not me that's the problem but Steinbrenner/Wilpon. MLB isn't ever going to break territory rights and bring a 3rd team in. They can't and absolutely won't make the Bay area a true shared market for the A's/Giants. It's pointless to talk about.
Montreal has to wait for San Antonio/Charlotte to grow plus Montreal has to come up with a park and hope the Canadian dollar rebounds. There is no rush.
Also Tampa ISN'T settled. Until a shovel hits the ground in both Tampa/Oakland they are in play, though Tampa isn't until 2028. For all we know Kroenke will pay for Davis's stadium and the A's will become homeless!
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Post by Bruinsfan on Oct 19, 2015 17:49:59 GMT -6
3 teams is too much for even mighty New York. The Mets are a top 10 team but they had over 10,000 empty seats this year per game and so did the Yankees. It makes no sense to drop the Mets down into the 20,000s. Wilpon is still paying for the Bernie Madoff mess too. There is question on weather he can afford to resign Cespedes. I hope he does. I WANT a long term rivalry between the Mets and Cubs. Mets will waste all the young pitching if he leave. I don't see any place in Jersey that works. Newark didn't draw for the Nets for 2 years and doesn't draw for the Devils. The Devils/Nets didn't draw in East Rutherford either. Newark has excellent public transport. Only a couple minutes from Manhattan/Penn Station right next to the arena. It's not me that's the problem but Steinbrenner/Wilpon. MLB isn't ever going to break territory rights and bring a 3rd team in. They can't and absolutely won't make the Bay area a true shared market for the A's/Giants. It's pointless to talk about. Montreal has to wait for San Antonio/Charlotte to grow plus Montreal has to come up with a park and hope the Canadian dollar rebounds. There is no rush. Also Tampa ISN'T settled. Until a shovel hits the ground in both Tampa/Oakland they are in play, though Tampa isn't until 2028. For all we know Kroenke will pay for Davis's stadium and the A's will become homeless! Owning a baseball team is far to expensive these days that small markets really cant make it. Im really surprised with the money these owners bring in that they havent managed to reel in the players at all, it comes down to that these baseball owners just cant help themselves....they dont want a capped system because they LOVE overpaying for toys, they love their new ferrari at a 7 year contract at 30 years old for over 100Million, until the owners start reeling it in baseball will continue to overpay lazy players that grab their hamstring fat while running for first base. Id love to see 32 baseball teams though. Baseball has a strong international player base, bring more asians in to fill the gaps I say. More international players means more batflipping means more angry white old guys retiring from covering the game because of violations of the "unwritten rules"
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 20, 2015 0:15:59 GMT -6
Small markets are pulling in 20M plus per year in profit. They are routinely making the playoffs(Pittsburgh/KC) There is revenue sharing these days(thanks bud) and most of these small market teams have decent parks that can draw over 20,000+ during the down years. Owners would take a capped system if they could but it's not worth the risk. Keep this in mind. Even without the capped system the players are only getting 43% of the overall revenue. Players are stupid for not wanting a cap where they get 50% overall.
Here is the big reason why they don't push harder for a cap. Small markets have gotten smarter. Keep in mind you have to put in 6 full years to be a free agent in baseball. Teams routinely do the following to keep players longer
1. They keep a player down on the farm for 2 weeks to start the season to get an extra year of service time(Kris Bryant for example). So they basically have the player 7 years for sure instead of the 6. Bryant was the best player in spring training this season and he still got sent down 2 weeks. LOL
2. Former Tampa GM Andrew Friedman discovered the dollars for security trick. After one or 2 years the team approaches the player about a 4 year extension with 2 or 3 team options. Thus the team controls the player an extra 2-3 years into his 30's the player gets instant millions but if he produces it's still VERY team friendly. Examples include Mike Trout, Andrew McClutchen, Tulowitski back with Colorado, Ryan Braun, Chris Sale, Jose Quintanna, Jose Alleve with Houston, Evan Longoria, Wade Davis, Salavodor Perez-KC Anthony Rizzo, Starlin Castro, Kris Kuber/Michael Brantley Cleveland. I'm missing a crap load more. Small market teams with more $$$ available signed Joey Votto, G. Stanton to lifetime deals. Guys don't hit free agency at a young age as much other than Scott Boras clients. Take a look at the player profiles at baseball reference of how many years extra their teams got out of these guys! A lot of these guys when they hit free agency will only have a couple years left. If some sucker wants to overpay for them at that point god bless!
Most guys take the security. Our former Cubs GM Jim Hendry was great at stealing young players from small market teams back in the early 2000s who couldn't afford them. He got Derrick Lee and Aramis Ramirez for nothing from Florida and Pittsburgh. He was never able to develop his own players so he stole others. Once small market teams could do better extending their players he was in trouble. When he was fired mention was made of this and how since the game changed he became obsolete as a gm(he didn't use sabermetics either).
3. Guys into their 30s/40s aren't so great with testing for PEDs. Buster Olney of ESPN made a lot of comments about how scouts kept telling him this. Compare to how many old guys were great compare to now. You don't see 40 years olds breaking home run records anymore(Bonds). How many Rafael Palmerio's are hitting 40 home runs at age 40? Steinbrenner's kid has been burnt by old free agents(Sabethia, Ellesbury etc...) and made the comment free agency to build a team doesn't work that well like it used to and that the Yankees were going to cut payroll and develop their own guys. At the trade deadline he refused to deal Greg Bird and Silvario and let Toronto have the division.
4. Most of the guys who do switch teams don't pay off. Pitchers get hurt. Do you think Robinson Cano and Pujols deals will be thought of positively in Seattle/LA when it's all said and done? Their original teams kept them into their 30's. Seattle and LA gave very long deals. It won't end well. With less good players becoming available teams get desperate and sign Pedro Sandoval(he always had weight issues, once he got his deal he wasn't going to care anymore) and Hanley Ramirez(he's awful on defense and has no position).
Baseball isn't 100% fair or even but the gap has been narrowed a lot with revenue sharing/Friedmans little trick. You don't hear that much talk of small vs. big market anymore. In the 90s/early 2000s it was all about who had the most $$$. It was a joke. The one except to the rule above is Oakland and Tampa operate like total minor leagues and don't do this trick other than the time tampa did it with Longoria.
Buster Olnery made a good point on the "unwritten rules" and how it hurts the game. The unwritten rules aren't even universal and if you breath the wrong way with some guy will bean you! Bear minimum they should make the rules written for christs sake! It's just not white guys this way, you break the wrong unwritten rule and you have a latin pitcher they will hit you too! Me personally I'd like more emotion long as there's no outright rain dances etc... Making the players robots makes the player unmarketable.
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 25, 2015 17:03:12 GMT -6
Breakthrough in deal for new Rays stadiumFinally, a breakthrough, as the St. Petersburg City Council hopes to get a deal for a new Rays stadium moving again. Here's the pitch from St. Pete's City Council: Rays, they're now okay with you looking at new stadium sites in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties. But if you leave the city, it'll cost you a fee that may be much more than the $22 million you've said you're willing to spend. "I think this is a deal that's really probably more in the economic benefit to the Rays than to the city," Council Member, Jim Kennedy said. "But I feel compelled that we need to do something now." Kennedy drew up the plan that got approved in a 5-to-3 "yes" vote Thursday, breaking the streak of disapprovals handed down by the City Council to all potential Rays stadium search deals before Thursday. The amount the team would owe varies, depending on how long the Tampa Bay Rays play at Tropicana Field between now and the end of their contract with the city after the 2027 season. Based on the Rays leaving Tropicana Field for a new stadium at the end of the 2019 season, here's how Kennedy's deal works out: If the Rays build a new ballpark inside the city limits, the Rays pay no penalties.
If they move elsewhere in Pinellas, the Rays would pay St. Pete around $18.5 million.
If they head across Tampa Bay to Hillsborough County, the Rays' fee would be double that -- $37 million.But this is no done deal. The Rays have to agree to it, something Mayor Rick Kriseman told me he's not too optimistic about. "I will take this offer to the team and we'll see what their response is," he told me moments after the vote. Kriseman's concerns? The Rays may not be eager to pay the cost of this new deal. It could add up to almost twice as much as the team had agreed to pay when Kriseman worked out a deal with the Rays a year ago -- a deal the City Council did not approve back then. And in that year, Kriseman said, things change. "Deals don't typically get better with time," he said. The Mayor told me he plans to meet with Rays President, Brian Auld as soon as their schedules allow, and he expects an answer from the team sooner rather than later. www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/10/22/breakthrough-in-deal-for-new-rays-stadium/74419662/
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 5, 2015 12:50:48 GMT -6
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 5, 2015 12:54:19 GMT -6
Here is why Rays can rejoice! St. Pete elects stadium swing voteThe Tampa Bay Rays may finally be on the verge of getting their five-year-old wish granted: a blessing from St. Petersburg to explore stadium sites in Tampa at a price of their liking. Although Tuesday's city council elections will influence countless of issues in St. Petersburg from wastewater problems to extreme school inequality to impoverished neighborhoods, the election for most outsider observers - and one local newspaper editorial board - came down to where candidates stood on the Rays' Stadium Saga. Lisa Wheeler-Brown cruised to a 58%-42% District 7 victory over Will Newton, the brother of term-limited councilman Wengay Newton. Turnout for the election was just 17.2% of all registered voters in St. Petersburg, approximately 30,000 votes. Incumbents Charlie Gerdes and Steve Kornell also coasted to victory. Although Wheeler-Brown won't take office until January, Wheeler-Brown represents the pivotal fifth councilmember in favor of Mayor Rick Kriseman's negotiated compromise with the Rays.Wheeler-Brown earned an important endorsement from the Tampa Bay Times by supporting Kriseman's deal that would allow the Rays to explore possible new stadium sites in Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, but require the team to pay the city approximately $2 million for every year the Rays leave St. Petersburg ahead of 2027, when their current agreement at Tropicana Field expires. Will Newton, like his brother Wengay, had indicated the team should pay more and refused to support the mayor's deal. Kriseman's 2014 compromise was rejected by city council by 5-3 and 4-4 votes. Wengay Newton recently voted to approve a $4.6 million-per-year counteroffer to the Rays, which the team promptly rejected. Mayor Kriseman has maintained his believe that a regional search will ultimately convince the Rays that they should build a new stadium in Pinellas County, most likely next to where Tropicana Field currently sits. He recently told 10 Investigates he thought it could be done without city tax dollars because of private interest in redevelopment around a new stadium, but Kriseman didn't offer funding specifics beyond that. While Hillsborough County appears to have a geographical advantage in landing a new baseball stadium, its available revenue streams are limited. Many current commissioners have pledged "no tax dollars" for a new stadium and the Rays don't appear likely to self-finance a new stadium themselves. The Rays told 10 News they no comment Tuesday night. www.wtsp.com/story/news/2015/11/03/st-pete-votes-for-swing-stadium-council-seat/75117146/
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Post by wolfmannick on Nov 5, 2015 14:32:30 GMT -6
I dont even know if the MLB really wants to go back to Montreal. They dont appear to like Canadian teams all that much
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