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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 16, 2015 2:23:19 GMT -6
^ That's good. I don';t know if anyone else here has been to a game in Ottawa, but that rink is a real pain in the ass to get to especially if you are not from the Ottawa area.
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Post by Tim on Dec 16, 2015 6:59:30 GMT -6
^ That's good. I don';t know if anyone else here has been to a game in Ottawa, but that rink is a real pain in the ass to get to especially if you are not from the Ottawa area. Yep maybe the Feds will give them another free arena.
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Post by Lions67 on Dec 16, 2015 12:31:56 GMT -6
I wonder how long it will be before we get into another "Great Arena Debate".
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Post by mikecubs on Dec 16, 2015 12:58:41 GMT -6
^ That's good. I don';t know if anyone else here has been to a game in Ottawa, but that rink is a real pain in the ass to get to especially if you are not from the Ottawa area. Yep maybe the Feds will give them another free arena. Canadian Tire Centre was privately financed. They did get a $6M federal grant from the government according to Wiki. The site was farmland and required a rezoning to proceed with construction. The then-City of Kanata supported the rezoning, but the provincial government and some local residents opposed the rezoning, forcing public hearings into the proposal by the Ontario Municipal Board. Rezoning approval was granted by the Board on August 28, 1991, with conditions. The conditions imposed by the board included a scaling down of the arena to 18,500 seats, a moratorium on development outside the initial 100-acre (0.40 km2) arena site, and that the cost of the highway interchange with highway 417 be paid by Terrace. A ground-breaking ceremony was held in June 1992 but actual construction did not start until July 7, 1994. The two-year period was used seeking financing for the site and interchange by Terrace Corporation. The corporation received a $6 million grant from the federal government, but needed to borrow to pay for the rest of the costs of construction. On August 17, 1993, Bruce Firestone, the Senators owner, was replaced by Rod Bryden, a former high tech tycoon, who assumed control of Terrace Corporation. Bryden managed to borrow enough to pay for the $188 million project[7] through a consortium of U.S. banks and Ogden Entertainment, but could not find financing for the highway interchange. Only after the provincial government provided a loan guarantee for the highway interchange financing did construction proceed. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Tire_CentreAs far as how the new arena will be paid, a good guess would be a 50-50ish split. That's been the model lately in the NHL(Edmonton/Detroit/proposed Calgary arena), or NBA(Milwaukee).
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Post by puckshmuck on Dec 17, 2015 19:26:31 GMT -6
So then what would they do with the white elephant in Kanata? Would they really tear down a 25ish year old arena???
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Post by mikecubs on Dec 17, 2015 23:02:47 GMT -6
It will be torn down or re-purposed into something else like a big store etc... There is no way they will leave 2 major arenas in a town the size of Ottawa.
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Post by mikecubs on Dec 19, 2015 0:14:18 GMT -6
Big money, big name in rival NCC Lebreton Flats bid?Has DCDLS brought on a big player, with big money, to help it score with the NCC in bringing a new arena to Lebreton Flats? There is speculation in local business circles that Andre Desmarais, 59, of the Montreal-based Power Corp. might be involved with the DCDLS bid. If he is, it won’t officially be made public until the submission details are revealed Jan. 26-27 at the Canadian War Museum, Attempts to reach Power Corp. spokesman Stephane Lemay, to confirm if Desmarais is a partner in the group, have been unsuccessful. Jean-Pierre Poulin, president of Devcore Group, won’t talk about any of the DCDLS group partners as long as the National Capital Commission has a gag order on the two Lebreton redevelopment bid finalists. “We can’t disclose anything on this nature,” Poulin said Thursday when asked if Desmarais is a partner. Desmarais, who was part owner of the QMJHL Quebec Remparts before they were sold to Quebecor in 2014, denied in a 2012 interview with CBC he was interested in buying an NHL team. His wife is France Chretien, the daughter of former Canadian Prime Minster Jean Chretien. Senators’ owner Eugene Melnyk certainly thinks DCDLS has brought somebody on board. “There’s speculation of who just joined them. I don’t want to speculate, but we’ve heard the name floated around. Again I’m just not going to do it,” Melnyk said. www.ottawasun.com/2015/12/18/big-money-big-name-in-rival-ncc-lebreton-flats-bid
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Post by mikecubs on Dec 19, 2015 0:15:38 GMT -6
Melnyk: Sens not for sale; will never play in someone else’s arenaEugene Melnyk was as surprised as everyone else when word filtered out Tuesday that another group was including an NHL-calibre arena in their proposal for the coveted downtown land at LeBreton Flats. So the Ottawa Senators’ owner picked up the phone and immediately placed a call to the NHL head offices in New York. “I called Gary Bettman and asked, 'Are we awarding another NHL franchise to Ottawa that I don't know about?'” Melnyk told TSN 1200 on Friday. Melnyk was quickly assured by the NHL commissioner that there are no plans to house another NHL club in Ottawa. The Senators’ owner made it abundantly clear Friday that he's not willing to let his hockey team play in someone else's building — even if the rival bid ends up winning the LeBreton Flats bid. “I haven't had any talks with anyone and I'm not interested in talking with anyone. I certainly wouldn't play in that building because we don't control that building,” Melnyk said. Earlier this week, the National Capital Commission confirmed that only two bids remained in the running for the coveted parcel of downtown land just to the west of the Parliament buildings. It's been long assumed that the Senators are behind the RendezVous LeBreton Group bid, which would see them build a brand new rink in the downtown location. However, CTV Ottawa created a stir this week when they reported that the rival bid to the Senators from DCDLS Group was also going to include an NHL-calibre rink in their proposal. The contents of the two final bids are supposed to remain secret until the public consultation process begins at the end of January. In town for his annual Christmas Skate for Kids — where he donates hockey equipment to underprivileged kids in the Ottawa area — Melnyk reiterated his stance that he is not planning on selling the team under any circumstances. He seemed genuinely disappointed that another group would attach an NHL arena to their downtown proposal, possibly as a strong-arm tactic to pry the team away from his control. “This one is not for sale — nor will it ever be. Not in my lifetime and I don't think the kids want to give it up either," added Melnyk. "It was more disappointing because I know they are lying. Simple as that. Whether it's in their submission or not, I have no clue because I didn't see their submission. But certainly, whoever leaked this, shame on them because it's totally misleading." There is no firm timeline on when the NCC will render a final decision on which party will win the LeBreton Flats bid, but it could happen at some point in the calendar year 2016. www.tsn.ca/melnyk-sens-not-for-sale-will-never-play-in-someone-else-s-arena-1.411285
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:18:16 GMT -6
2 visions for LeBreton Flats unveiled NCC holding public consultations at Canadian War Museum Tuesday and WednesdayThe competing visions for LeBreton Flats are now on full public display, with two teams jostling to pour billions into the downtown parcel of land to draw people there with ambitious plans for landmark attractions. Developers Devcore Canderel DLS Group — the group backed by Quebec-based billionaires André Desmarais and Guy Laliberté — asked people to imagine a linear park the length of the development, linking a multimedia museum, Ripley's aquarium, planetarium, a skydiving wind tunnel and, eventually, an NHL arena for the Ottawa Senators. RendezVous LeBreton, the group backed by Ottawa Senators' owner Eugene Melnyk, sees five distinct neighbourhoods built around a major events centre, which proponents say could hold 180 events a year, far more than the 40-50 NHL hockey games that would take place there. Both include an innovation pavilion, linear plazas, public squares, and, of course, a NHL-calibre arena. At a media preview to the public consultations taking place Tuesday at the Canadian War Museum, the two teams made their best pitch for why the National Capital Commission should choose their plan for transforming the prime land from a bulldozed wasteland to a national or international attraction, animated year-round. The Devcore Canderel DLS bid: "Canadensis" A linear park called "Canadensis," featuring plants from the various eco-systems across Canada, would be the spine of the bid backed by developers Devcore, Canderel, Quebec scion Andre Desmarais and Cirque de Soleil founder, Guy Laliberté, among others. Ottawa architect Ritchard Brisbin described it as a "magical thread", a "mash-up" of the Tuileries Garden in Paris, Highline Park in New York City and Millenium Park in Chicago. That bid includes several public plazas, including one with a bandshell and another day-and-night space that could hold Winterlude or National Aboriginal Day, called "Canada Square". Various new attractions for the capital would be built, including a Canadian Communication Centre, planetarium, skydiving wind tunnel, SPIN skate park, automotive museum and Ripley's aquarium. During the first phase, 1,100 residential units would be built, and 2,500 overall, including a seniors' enclave and student residences. The team also sees a public elementary school and retail area anchored by Farm Boy. The trick was to find a balance between city building and nation building, said Daniel Peritz, a vice-president of Canderel, adding his group's intention would be to buy the land from the NCC. A NHL-calibre arena fits into the third phase, and the group re-iterated several times that the Ottawa Senators should be downtown. "We did imagine all of these," said architect Brisbin. "We imagined them all at LeBreton." The bid called "Illumination LeBreton" would see five distinct neighbourhoods — Pimisi, Bayview, Quartier LeBreton, Asticou, and Aqueduct — centred around a major events centre. The team described bringing new focus back to the old aqueduct, by lining it with pedestrian walkways, and create another axis lined with public art. The plan would see light rail run under a new east-west road called Canada Drive, all connecting a Nations Plaza and LeBreton Square. LeBreton Square would be the heart of the redeveloped lands. Place de la Gare would connect the waterfront to Bayview Station. The site would also feature a National Abilities Centre, a Canada House for members of the military and a Preston Canopy featuring projections and a water show. Of course, the team sees a new home for the Ottawa Senators. "The redevelopment of LeBreton Flats is about much more than hockey," said the team's president Cyril Leeder. While the bid is led by Senators Sports and Entertainment and Trinity Developments, the joint venture has more than 30 other partners, including developers Windmill, Brigil and Mattamy Homes, the Centretown Citizens Ottawa Corporation and architect Barry Hobin. Public consultations tonight and tomorrow "We've arrived at a defining moment in the LeBreton Flats story," said Mark Kristmanson, CEO of the National Capital Commission. "A bravo is deserved for both teams." The NCC is holding public consultations at the Canadian War Museum Jan. 26 and 27, with online feedback open until February 8. An evaluation committee is to recommend one of the plans to the NCC's board in March 2016.
The NCC doesn't intend to announce the winner to the public for nearly a full year after that, in early 2017, after it has negotiated with the successful bidder and received federal approvals.www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/2-visions-for-lebreton-flats-unveiled-1.3420196
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:23:05 GMT -6
Downtown Ottawa land bids include NHL arena From a derelict downtown brownfield to an urban playground complete with NHL arena, museums, and European-style plazas — Ottawa's long-ignored LeBreton Flats is on the cusp of transformation. Two ambitious bids for the 9.3-hectare space were made public Tuesday by the National Capital Commission in a presentation that was almost Disneyesque. "The skyline shimmers, the future unfolds before your very eyes, a community is reborn and it shines like never before," declared a video by the Rendezvous LeBreton group, which includes the owner of the National Hockey League's Ottawa Senators. Both proposals include an arena, a new public library, major outdoor gathering spaces and residential space. The Rendezvous bid, called "Illumination LeBreton," would emphasize public spaces around a currently hidden aquaduct and inlet, a "Canada House" gathering place for visiting military, a rooftop forest with holographic evening show, and an innovation pavilion. The rival "LeBreton Re-Imagined" plan, backed in part by financiers Andre Desmarais and Guy Laliberte of the DCDLS Group, is anchored by a winding "Canadensis" linear park that is supposed to highlight 14 of Canada's ecological zones. It includes a beer museum, a media museum, a "World Automotive Experience," a planetarium, a skatepark, an aquarium, a YMCA and a school. "We believe in our proposal because we think that we've struck the right chord in regards to a balance between city building and nation building," said Daniel Peritz, vice-president of Canderel, another member of the DCDLS group. "This land, which is treasured land for the city of Ottawa and for the nation's capital, still remains in the public's hands and is accessible to the public." But there is a major wrinkle in the Canadensis proposal: Senators owner Eugene Melnyk says he's not selling his team, and won't move into someone else's building.
"Economically, you just can't justify building an arena when you have one, just for the sake of building an arena — even if the land was given to us," Melnyk said later.
"You have to have all the infrastructure around you to pay for your team."
If the team doesn't win the bid, it will be looking at a nine-figure renovation of its current home in suburban Ottawa, the Canadian Tire Centre.
For its part, the Canadensis group says it would open discussions with Melnyk should its bid win.LeBreton Flats was once home to a working-class neighbourhood and light industry that was bought and torn down by the federal government in the 1960s. It is across the from the Canadian War Museum and the Ottawa River. The contaminated land sat idle for decades while successive governments balked at making the investment necessary to get it ready for development. www.saanichnews.com/national/366630951.html
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:25:10 GMT -6
According to the guys on HF boards the Senators plan would be $3.5B overall with no public help supposedly. The arena would be 18,000 seats and open for the 2021-2022 season. The other groups arena would be 18,500 seats.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:27:58 GMT -6
Pics of the Senators plan llumination LeBreton would feature five distinct, interconnected neighbourhood connected by various pedestrian pathways. The centrepiece of the bid is an 18,000-seat "Major Event Centre," which would host Senators games, concerts and other events. The team says it would attract 5 million visitors per yea The proposal would also incorporate a new central library on lands adjacent to LeBreton Flats at Booth and Albert streets, designed by renowned architects KPMB. An aqueduct, seen here looking west toward the arena, would be lined with boardwalks and retail spaces, converting to a skating rink in the winter An Innovation Promenade would feature interactive displays from the Canada Museum of Science and Technology. www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2016/01/26/a-look-at-the-lebreton-flats-proposals.html
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:32:05 GMT -6
The other groups plan An aerial image of the LeBreton Re-Imagined design, as proposed by Devcore Canderel DLS Group. The development would span 55 acres of land and include a library, NHL-calibre arena, museums, restaurants and shops. The central library would be the "civic cornerstone building" in LeBreton Re-Imagined. It's designed to look like an open book. A flowy-looking skate park could attract professional and amateur boarders, according to the developers. The plan includes a sports museum, public seminars on building skateboards and ramps and summer camps. An amphitheatre on a 6,000-square-foot of space along the Canadian War Museum Commons would hold outdoor concerts and cultural events. The Canadensis Walk is a pathway that would span the entire development. Canadensis is the Latin word for "indigenous to" or "of Canada. www.metronews.ca/news/ottawa/2016/01/26/a-look-at-the-lebreton-flats-proposals.html
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 0:54:27 GMT -6
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 1:22:08 GMT -6
Video's of the 2 proposals. The Senators plan is the 1st video
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