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Post by delicategenius on Jan 27, 2016 2:30:41 GMT -6
So what's going to happen with Canadian Tire Centre? Turn it into a grocery store?
Jeez I know the location is lousy but the place is super modern and from 2005 - 2012 they spent millions to keep pace with the best arenas in the NHL.
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Post by phillymike on Jan 27, 2016 7:06:57 GMT -6
So what's going to happen with Canadian Tire Centre? Turn it into a grocery store? Jeez I know the location is lousy but the place is super modern and from 2005 - 2012 they spent millions to keep pace with the best arenas in the NHL. Maybe a Canadian Tire? |
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Post by wolf357 on Jan 27, 2016 13:44:56 GMT -6
So what's going to happen with Canadian Tire Centre? Turn it into a grocery store? Jeez I know the location is lousy but the place is super modern and from 2005 - 2012 they spent millions to keep pace with the best arenas in the NHL. Maybe a Canadian Tire? Ottawa also has the TD Center(capacity for hockey 10,000) where the 67's play... Having another Hockey venue could be over kill...but would also put Ottawa in position to host Tournaments such as World Juniors, World Cup, have venue room for having sen home games and having A list concerts the same time... You could argue that Winnipeg could support another arena to accommodate concerts as well as the Jets/Moose. Unless its done 100% on the corparate level with zero public funds I cant see it ever happening here though.. |
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Post by j05121 on Jan 27, 2016 17:55:27 GMT -6
Ottawa also has the TD Center(capacity for hockey 10,000) where the 67's play... Having another Hockey venue could be over kill...but would also put Ottawa in position to host Tournaments such as World Juniors, World Cup, have venue room for having sen home games and having A list concerts the same time... You could argue that Winnipeg could support another arena to accommodate concerts as well as the Jets/Moose. Unless its done 100% on the corparate level with zero public funds I cant see it ever happening here though.. Even if we could, where would it go? |
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Post by wolf357 on Jan 27, 2016 18:36:28 GMT -6
Ottawa also has the TD Center(capacity for hockey 10,000) where the 67's play... Having another Hockey venue could be over kill...but would also put Ottawa in position to host Tournaments such as World Juniors, World Cup, have venue room for having sen home games and having A list concerts the same time... You could argue that Winnipeg could support another arena to accommodate concerts as well as the Jets/Moose. Unless its done 100% on the corparate level with zero public funds I cant see it ever happening here though.. Even if we could, where would it go? Tear Down Portage Place...it was a bad idea that never worked...there is an existing skywalk corridor system that would link MTScenter for one massive Entertainment district. Plus there is a much bigger footprint than the Eatons building to build the way you want to... Perhaps in 25 years this could be a thought... |
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Post by delicategenius on Jan 27, 2016 23:11:07 GMT -6
^ Man oh man... if they had torn down Portage Place and put the MTS IcePlex there.... WOW! I think we'd be the envy of every team in the NHL. Except Columbus, they have their practice facility attached to their arena, although nowhere near the quality of our IcePlex.
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Post by mikecubs on Jan 27, 2016 23:29:28 GMT -6
So what's going to happen with Canadian Tire Centre? Turn it into a grocery store? Jeez I know the location is lousy but the place is super modern and from 2005 - 2012 they spent millions to keep pace with the best arenas in the NHL. Most likely it will be demolished. There aren't going to want to pay for cost of upkeep plus they won't want another arena to compete for concerts. |
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 2, 2016 8:55:44 GMT -6
Report: Devcore hopes to buy Senators in bidThe Devcore Candarel DLS group, one of two groups to submit a multi-billion dollar bid for the redevelopment of Ottawa's LeBreton flats, appears to have interest in buying the Senators. CTV Ottawa's Graham Richardson reports the Devcore group wants to buy the Senators as part of their bid. The opposing bid to Devcore's comes from the Rendezvous LeBreton group, which includes Senators owner Eugene Melnyk and Senators Sports & Entertainment. Melnyk has stated he has no interest in selling the team, or in renting rink space from another company. "Economically, you just can't justify building an arena when you have one, just for the sake of building an arena — even if the land was given to us," Melnyk said later. "You have to have all the infrastructure around you to pay for your team." If the Senators fail win the bid, the team has said they will be looking at a nine-figure renovation of their current home in suburban Ottawa, the Canadian Tire Centre. Proposal Details: DCDLS: Theatre of Sports and Entertainment Ripley’s Aquarium World’s largest skateboard park Bridge to Preston Street Bandshell for 6,000 people Central Library, YMCA, French Language Elementary School 2,500 residential units 4 season linear park Brewseum NHL arena Rendezvous LeBreton: Accesible Sports and Community Complex with 2 NHL-sized hockey rinks to house national and international hockey tournaments New Ottawa Central Library planned for Albert and Booth Streets Major events centre with 18,000 seats and outdoor area with capacity of 28,000 Pedestrian concourse with a ‘digital’ pathway First Nations Plaza New home for Ottawa Race Weekend, Army Run and Run Ottawa. Canada House – gathering space for members of military. Space for counselling and medical care for military families www.tsn.ca/report-devcore-hopes-to-buy-senators-in-bid-1.431824
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 30, 2016 16:59:04 GMT -6
Senators owner wins right to develop downtown Ottawa site, cost still TBDPosted on April 29, 2016 by Neil deMause Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk has won his battle with a rival developer for the federally owned LeBreton Flats site, the National Capital Commission awarding him exclusive negotiating rights to develop the 21.6-hectare (that’s 53 acres — you double it and add 30, or something) downtown site. If talks go well, and the federal government approves, then Melnyk would build a whole buncha stuff on the site, including a new Senators hockey arena to replace their old one, which is 20 whole years old but also in the middle of nowhere because their old owner was crazy.If you’re ready carefully, meanwhile, you noticed that that’s just the right to negotiate to develop the site — still up in the air is how the money would work out, including how much Melnyk would pay for the development rights and whether the project would require any public cash, as he’s previously indicated. (He’s since said there would be “no government money that is going to be granted,” but that doesn’t preclude tax breaks or a discounted price on the land.) This could end being a good deal for Ottawa — if you want to develop undeveloped land, you’re going to need a developer — or a lousy one, depending on how details like that go, and also details like the development timeline, which could stretch as long as 30 years. Win-win or land grab to get a site for a new arena? They still need to talk about it. Meanwhile, are there renderings with beams of light streaming into the night sky? You betcha! www.fieldofschemes.com/2016/04/29/11017/senators-owner-wins-right-to-develop-downtown-ottawa-site-cost-still-tbd/#comments
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Post by mikecubs on Nov 29, 2016 23:14:32 GMT -6
Plan for Ottawa Senators Arena Moves ForwardLate last week, the Ottawa Senators cleared a hurdle in their effort to build a new arena in downtown Ottawa. Senators owner Eugene Melnyk, along with the RendezVous LeBreton group, has pitched a plan to construct a new arena as part of a redevelopment for LeBreton Flats. The Canadian National Capital Commission reviewed the plan on Thursday, and reached a consensus on allowing it to move forward. As it stands, the review by the commission allows the plan to advance, but does not finalize it. Talks should unfold for some time, as the Senators wait to see whether their earlier goal of moving into the arena for the 2020-21 NHL season can become a reality, which some are doubting will be the case. More from the Ottawa Citizen: Really, at this point, it’s RendezVous LeBreton or bust, because when the selection was made in April, the Senators’ bid was identified as the clear choice over one that strangely included a car museum and a rink for an NHL team the group has no ownership stake in. Though the Senators want to hold their opening night there for the 2020-21 campaign, that was left in doubt if you listened to the discussion among the board. It sounds like there won’t be a shovel in the ground before the calendar turns to 2018 — or possibly later — and it’s going to be a huge job just remediating the site. Thursday’s vote still marks a major victory for Melnyk and the Senators, as a plan that has gained traction over the last several months is now closer to moving beyond the concept stage. If it does indeed move forward, the Senators’ arena at LeBreton Flats will follow some recent trends in the NHL by placing a major emphasis on surrounding development. Edmonton’s Rogers Place has already been cited as a model for Ottawa, and Little Caesars Arena’s role in creating additional economic opportunities in downtown Detroit is getting a closer look before its fall 2017 opening. arenadigest.com/2016/11/28/plan-for-ottawa-senators-arena-moves-forward/
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 25, 2017 22:57:56 GMT -6
Melnyk optimistic negotiations with NCC on new arena will be complete by end of yearEugene Melnyk is hopeful negotiations with the National Capital Commission on the development of Lebreton Flats will be completed before the end of the year, and he has repeated that getting a downtown arena is paramount. The Senators owner, speaking on Hockey Central at Noon on Wednesday, chose his words carefully but indicated talks with the NCC are ongoing and he’s optimistic they will be able to get everything in place to begin building the new arena at the location just west of the downtown core. “We have to be respectful of the process so I’ve got to be careful,” Melnyk said in the interview. “But I’m hoping that this is negotiated throughout this year and completed this year. It’s got to be, and then we move to a very rapid process of getting approvals and building. It’s going to be gorgeous.”Melnyk said when he bought the team out of bankruptcy in 2003, he couldn’t do anything about the Canadian Tire Centre being in Kanata. “ I think there’s only three teams left in the NHL that don’t have a downtown arena, and we’re one of them and it’s tragic that we don’t,” Melnyk said. “I bought the team out of bankruptcy and that’s where the arena was, and that’s what I bought. “But we need to move things downtown, if it’s Ottawa it’s got to be downtown.” Melnyk wouldn’t blame the attendance struggles early in the season on the location of the rink, though. “The early part of the season, we had a bizarre schedule that somebody dropped the ball on — not at the NHL, at our place — that didn’t notice that we had (a lot of games) in November,” said Melnyk. “People get fatigue and there’s only so many games you can go to. Now, we’re selling out. “We’re doing well now. It was that early part (of the season) when I saw empty seats I was about to throw up.” Melnyk said the Ottawa market has changed. “It’s all relative. The idea was a good idea but things change,” said Melnyk. “The problem is where the heck it is. People who know the suburbs of Ottawa, this is out there, a solid 30-minute drive from downtown, and that’s without a lot of traffic. It’s not easy. “People say Toronto isn’t easy to get to either, but you have public transit. In this case, the downtown stadium will have light rail going to two stops right on the site. That will make it so much easier. For us, I really believe it’s location, location, location. It’s tough when you start comparing it to getting a cheap (case of beer) and kicking back with your friends. You’re fighting that battle, versus driving 45 minutes and then driving back 45 minutes.”ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senatorsextra/melnyk-optimistic-negotiations-with-ncc-on-new-arena-will-be-completed-by-year-end
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Post by DowntownBooster on Mar 26, 2017 10:34:16 GMT -6
Melnyk optimistic negotiations with NCC on new arena will be complete by end of yearEugene Melnyk is hopeful negotiations with the National Capital Commission on the development of Lebreton Flats will be completed before the end of the year, and he has repeated that getting a downtown arena is paramount. The Senators owner, speaking on Hockey Central at Noon on Wednesday, chose his words carefully but indicated talks with the NCC are ongoing and he’s optimistic they will be able to get everything in place to begin building the new arena at the location just west of the downtown core. “We have to be respectful of the process so I’ve got to be careful,” Melnyk said in the interview. “But I’m hoping that this is negotiated throughout this year and completed this year. It’s got to be, and then we move to a very rapid process of getting approvals and building. It’s going to be gorgeous.”Melnyk said when he bought the team out of bankruptcy in 2003, he couldn’t do anything about the Canadian Tire Centre being in Kanata. “ I think there’s only three teams left in the NHL that don’t have a downtown arena, and we’re one of them and it’s tragic that we don’t,” Melnyk said. “I bought the team out of bankruptcy and that’s where the arena was, and that’s what I bought. “But we need to move things downtown, if it’s Ottawa it’s got to be downtown.” Melnyk wouldn’t blame the attendance struggles early in the season on the location of the rink, though. “The early part of the season, we had a bizarre schedule that somebody dropped the ball on — not at the NHL, at our place — that didn’t notice that we had (a lot of games) in November,” said Melnyk. “People get fatigue and there’s only so many games you can go to. Now, we’re selling out. “We’re doing well now. It was that early part (of the season) when I saw empty seats I was about to throw up.” Melnyk said the Ottawa market has changed. “It’s all relative. The idea was a good idea but things change,” said Melnyk. “The problem is where the heck it is. People who know the suburbs of Ottawa, this is out there, a solid 30-minute drive from downtown, and that’s without a lot of traffic. It’s not easy. “People say Toronto isn’t easy to get to either, but you have public transit. In this case, the downtown stadium will have light rail going to two stops right on the site. That will make it so much easier. For us, I really believe it’s location, location, location. It’s tough when you start comparing it to getting a cheap (case of beer) and kicking back with your friends. You’re fighting that battle, versus driving 45 minutes and then driving back 45 minutes.”ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senatorsextra/melnyk-optimistic-negotiations-with-ncc-on-new-arena-will-be-completed-by-year-end Thanks for all the information like this that you post mikecubs. I think we all find them very informative and give us a better understanding on the various topics of discussion in the different threads. Although I spend more time now on HFboards, I still check in on this forum every now and then and I'm always amazed at all the information you provide when you post. Keep up the good work! |
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 27, 2017 12:43:15 GMT -6
Melnyk optimistic negotiations with NCC on new arena will be complete by end of yearEugene Melnyk is hopeful negotiations with the National Capital Commission on the development of Lebreton Flats will be completed before the end of the year, and he has repeated that getting a downtown arena is paramount. The Senators owner, speaking on Hockey Central at Noon on Wednesday, chose his words carefully but indicated talks with the NCC are ongoing and he’s optimistic they will be able to get everything in place to begin building the new arena at the location just west of the downtown core. “We have to be respectful of the process so I’ve got to be careful,” Melnyk said in the interview. “But I’m hoping that this is negotiated throughout this year and completed this year. It’s got to be, and then we move to a very rapid process of getting approvals and building. It’s going to be gorgeous.”Melnyk said when he bought the team out of bankruptcy in 2003, he couldn’t do anything about the Canadian Tire Centre being in Kanata. “ I think there’s only three teams left in the NHL that don’t have a downtown arena, and we’re one of them and it’s tragic that we don’t,” Melnyk said. “I bought the team out of bankruptcy and that’s where the arena was, and that’s what I bought. “But we need to move things downtown, if it’s Ottawa it’s got to be downtown.” Melnyk wouldn’t blame the attendance struggles early in the season on the location of the rink, though. “The early part of the season, we had a bizarre schedule that somebody dropped the ball on — not at the NHL, at our place — that didn’t notice that we had (a lot of games) in November,” said Melnyk. “People get fatigue and there’s only so many games you can go to. Now, we’re selling out. “We’re doing well now. It was that early part (of the season) when I saw empty seats I was about to throw up.” Melnyk said the Ottawa market has changed. “It’s all relative. The idea was a good idea but things change,” said Melnyk. “The problem is where the heck it is. People who know the suburbs of Ottawa, this is out there, a solid 30-minute drive from downtown, and that’s without a lot of traffic. It’s not easy. “People say Toronto isn’t easy to get to either, but you have public transit. In this case, the downtown stadium will have light rail going to two stops right on the site. That will make it so much easier. For us, I really believe it’s location, location, location. It’s tough when you start comparing it to getting a cheap (case of beer) and kicking back with your friends. You’re fighting that battle, versus driving 45 minutes and then driving back 45 minutes.”ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senatorsextra/melnyk-optimistic-negotiations-with-ncc-on-new-arena-will-be-completed-by-year-end Thanks for all the information like this that you post mikecubs. I think we all find them very informative and give us a better understanding on the various topics of discussion in the different threads. Although I spend more time now on HFboards, I still check in on this forum every now and then and I'm always amazed at all the information you provide when you post. Keep up the good work! Thank you. I always enjoy talking business of sports with all you guys |
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Post by TheDeuce on Mar 28, 2017 9:07:15 GMT -6
^ Man oh man... if they had torn down Portage Place and put the MTS IcePlex there.... WOW! I think we'd be the envy of every team in the NHL. Except Columbus, they have their practice facility attached to their arena, although nowhere near the quality of our IcePlex. FWIW I suspect that the players prefer our practice facility setup; away from the 'office', not downtown, avoids traffic, closer to home for those who live in the Headingley / The Oaks / Oak Bluff areas. Just imho. m. |
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 15, 2017 2:13:35 GMT -6
Ottawa mayor says he’ll consider public money for arena that’s supposed to use no public moneyPosted on April 14, 2017 by Neil deMause And meanwhile, in Ottawa, where Senators owner Eugene Melnyk promised last year that he’d build a new arena and surrounding development with “no government money” … you know where the rest of this sentence is going already, don’t you? Mayor Jim Watson isn’t ruling out investing public money into a downtown NHL arena at LeBreton Flats. “I don’t know if they’re going to come forward and ask for any of those dollars,” the mayor told reporters after Wednesday’s council meeting. “Certainly I want to make sure that whatever happens there is to the benefit of the taxpayers of Ottawa.”… While the mayor repeated that he wasn’t going “to speculate on something that hasn’t been asked,” it is the first time he has seemed open to the possibility of putting taxpayers money into the arena. “My bottom line is, whatever is being asked from us, does it make sense and is there a return on our investment whether it be through property or development charges or the increased market value assessment of the property,” Watson said. Yeah, you know, if you don’t want to speculate about something that hasn’t been asked, maybe openly speculating about it isn’t the best way to go about it. To be fair, Watson was probably asked about this by a reporter, and felt like he had to say something, and so he improvised a line about “return on investment” based on something he vaguely remembered Naheed Nenshi saying, and it ended up as a headline. So cut Mayor Paralipsis a break, okay? This whole talking-while-governing thing is hard. www.fieldofschemes.com/2017/04/14/12346/ottawa-mayor-says-hell-consider-public-money-for-arena-thats-supposed-to-use-no-public-money/#respond
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