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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 14, 2011 20:47:49 GMT -6
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Post by bottsy on Sept 14, 2011 21:02:49 GMT -6
Obviously not a great culture down there.
Really not much good going on for that franchise.
I dont think they will make the playoffs this year which will be another nail in the coffin.
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Post by JimmyMann on Sept 14, 2011 22:13:41 GMT -6
Turris did buy a house in Phoenix last year so we will see where this is headed. It's not as though the Coyotes don't have any room under the CAP but Turris's demands do seem a little high.
Maloney should just give him the money even if it is too much as the COG is fronting the team $25 million and in essensce paying Turris's salary.
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Post by Jetsfan47 on Sept 14, 2011 22:31:27 GMT -6
Wow it just goes from bad to worse in Phoenix
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 22:32:48 GMT -6
Is this the first time you guys have heard of a contract delay/holdout as camp opens? It has nothing to do with the state of the Coyotes; it's a typical move for money by an agent who wants to compare dollars to the #1 and #2 picks that year, though obviously the compare/production is not deserved. Trying to get paid for potential rather than past production. A standard move that will result in a Multi-year deal, a one year deal, or a trade. But has nothing to do with it being the Coyotes vs any other team.
Sheesh. Give it a rest.
-TODD
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 14, 2011 22:41:59 GMT -6
Turris did buy a house in Phoenix last year so we will see where this is headed. It's not as though the Coyotes don't have any room under the CAP but Turris's demands do seem a little high. Maloney should just give him the money even if it is too much as the COG is fronting the team $25 million and in essensce paying Turris's salary. It's never a good policy to overpay players so I don't agree with that. Turris' demands if correct as reported -- up to $4 million per year - are ridiculous. I believe he is asking to get traded, which brings up the larger issue: why have Wheeler, Mueller and now Turris all wanted out of PHX. Well, in Wheeler's case he didn't even show up...Not very good luck anyway...
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Post by JimmyMann on Sept 14, 2011 23:13:12 GMT -6
Turris did buy a house in Phoenix last year so we will see where this is headed. It's not as though the Coyotes don't have any room under the CAP but Turris's demands do seem a little high. Maloney should just give him the money even if it is too much as the COG is fronting the team $25 million and in essensce paying Turris's salary. FixedIt's never a good policy to overpay players so I don't agree with that. Turris' demands if correct as reported -- up to $4 million per year - are ridiculous. I believe he is asking to get traded, which brings up the larger issue: why have Wheeler, Mueller and now Turris all wanted out of PHX. Well, in Wheeler's case he didn't even show up...Not very good luck anyway... I should have added one of these after my statement. Overpaying for players doesn't make sense unless you are the Rangers or Leafs. A pattern is starting to develop with young players wanting out of the Coyotes organization. At the same time a pattern is starting with older players remaining in Phoenix or wanting in: Doan, Acouin, Whitney and Langkow. I here Arizona has some nice retirement communities.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 23:53:10 GMT -6
Yep. So many young players wanting out of Phoenix. That's why Yandle and Boedker and Hanzel are signed for multiple years and all have proven themselves fat more than Turris.
You can't make the playoffs with kids alone. The Yotes ate built to contend for playoffs, this the mix with veterans. The Jets are built build: high draft picks for a few years might eventually move them into the playoffs. Great plan: just like the Oilers have, ahem, proven.
I like Turris. Hope he stays. If he doesnt, he doesn't. His agent is giving it a shot, all power to him for trying. But there is Bo Philly waiting in the wings to overpay right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 23:55:39 GMT -6
Look how many typos you guys forced me to make on that previous post. Silly comments from supposed wise fans of the sport just do that to me!
-TODD
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 15, 2011 0:44:03 GMT -6
Does Kyle Turris want out of Phoenix? Vancouver — Globe and Mail Update Does Kyle Turris want out of Phoenix? The B.C.-bred forward is a restricted free agent, and while negotiations continue with the Coyotes, it looks like the sides are too far apart to bridge the gap by the time veterans report on Friday. Barring a last-minute deal, Turris won't be reporting. ESPN.com reported that Turris wants between $3-million and $4-million (all currencies U.S.) annually, which if accurate, looks like a trade request in disguise. He has played 131 NHL games, scored 46 points, and while he was the third overall pick in the 2007 entry draft, agreeing to such terms would mean the Coyotes are paying for future production. The club, of course, is plagued by financial problems, which could give it pause before opening the bank for a young player who has yet to prove himself as a bona fide NHL scorer. The other issue here is head coach Dave Tippett’s preference for veteran players. When he took over the Coyotes two years ago, he began relying on defensively-responsible veterans, and allowing the organization’s young forwards with offensive upside to work on their games in the minors, or in limited minutes. Turris averaged 11 minutes per game last season. The formula has proved successful, as Phoenix has qualified for the playoffs in consecutive years. The Coyotes had 107 points in 2009-10, and Tippett won the Jack Adams Award as the league’s top coach. It’s hard to justify giving more minutes to young players when the team has had success leaning on veterans, especially when playoff revenue is so important to the franchise. www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/does-kyle-turris-want-out-of-phoenix/article2166784/
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Post by Tim on Sept 15, 2011 5:50:04 GMT -6
Reality is players are starting to recognize the situation in Phoenix is very unstable, and it comes down to sigh with a team and then end up moving a year later without knowing where you will end up, or just hook up with a stable team that actually has a fan base. Yes Phoenix would be a great place to play hockey and raise a family, if you had the fan support of a traditional hockey market, but the lack of fan support and the untraditional hockey atmosphere has some of the Canadian players rethinking that destination. It's not just the fans that see the writing on the wall it's also the players. OK Todd, bash away! ;D and if you feel it necessary take some of my Karma too!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 8:46:55 GMT -6
If everyone is so sure Yotes will relocate, most likely to Quebec, then why would that dissuade young Canadians from signing with the team? A season lounging around in the Valley of the Sun and then off to the home country? They would jump at the chance.
There is a lot of player movement in pro sports. Not many can be gtd where they will be playing next year. Trades, cuts, free agency. Even those with no trade contracts can still be elsewhere if they approve.
A contract hold out is a contract hold out. It can happen to any team.
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Post by comique on Sept 15, 2011 13:56:32 GMT -6
If everyone is so sure Yotes will relocate, most likely to Quebec, then why would that dissuade young Canadians from signing with the team? A season lounging around in the Valley of the Sun and then off to the home country? They would jump at the chance. There is a lot of player movement in pro sports. Not many can be gtd where they will be playing next year. Trades, cuts, free agency. Even those with no trade contracts can still be elsewhere if they approve. A contract hold out is a contract hold out. It can happen to any team. -TODD I am going to agree here. To me, this is about money and as years past, the fans of W'Peg will get use to this. It is about money and a under performing player who still thinks he is a #3 pick overall. The Great Cat and Mouse game of pro sports. The key is will anyone pay him $4M. I don't think so but since he is restricted, let's see how long he holds out.
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 15, 2011 14:07:38 GMT -6
I am going to agree here. To me, this is about money and as years past, the fans of W'Peg will get use to this. A little condescending perhaps? Many of us here have been following the NHL for most of our lives. We are well aware of instances of players holding out due to contract demands. It happens. In my view, this matter with Turris is NOT solely about money. His contract demands are not realistic imo. Hence I believe he is trying to force his way out of PHX by making such unreasonable demands. Time will tell...
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Post by cheswick on Sept 15, 2011 14:41:08 GMT -6
I doubt the potential of a relocation has anything to do with it. He might not want to play for Phoenix due to the coach or whatever but I find it hard to believe a player would want to be traded simply cause the team might relocate in a year. Being traded is the same as relocating anyway only relocating is easier since all your teamates come along too.
As for just giving him what he wants the Yotes are hamstringed by an NHL imposed salary limit as long as the team is owned by the league.
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