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Post by selanne405 on Sept 15, 2011 14:52:51 GMT -6
Turris is either really greedy, thinks he is a lot better than he actually is, wants out of Phoenix or has the worst agent on earth.
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Post by JimmyMann on Sept 15, 2011 15:34:02 GMT -6
I doubt the potential of a relocation has anything to do with it. He might not want to play for Phoenix due to the coach or whatever but I find it hard to believe a player would want to be traded simply cause the team might relocate in a year. Being traded is the same as relocating anyway only relocating is easier since all your teamates come along too. As for just giving him what he wants the Yotes are hamstringed by an NHL imposed salary limit as long as the team is owned by the league. Turris may not like the defense first system in Phoenix and his offensive talent has been stifled. A change of scenery would be great for him. I really like his upside. |
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Post by comique on Sept 15, 2011 20:47:37 GMT -6
I am going to agree here. To me, this is about money and as years past, the fans of W'Peg will get use to this. A little condescending perhaps? Many of us here have been following the NHL for most of our lives. We are well aware of instances of players holding out due to contract demands. It happens. In my view, this matter with Turris is NOT solely about money. His contract demands are not realistic imo. Hence I believe he is trying to force his way out of PHX by making such unreasonable demands. Time will tell... not trying to be condesending but almost all post were about how he does not want to play in PHX and I commented, I think it is about money and will be about money 90% of the time. If the wife, girlfirend are happy or if enough potential girlfriends are available, while making a good buck, players will live almost anywhere, especially PHX in the winter. I think he/hi9s agent sees these other guys holding out on the their first real contract and is going for broke. Now that Tavares has signed along with others, including Bogo, players/agents will come to their senses. Camp opens up tomorrow and some teams like the NYI will not sign anyone after camp opens. LA and Doughty better get it locked up and watch these other guys fall into place. |
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 15, 2011 21:12:08 GMT -6
A little condescending perhaps? Many of us here have been following the NHL for most of our lives. We are well aware of instances of players holding out due to contract demands. It happens. In my view, this matter with Turris is NOT solely about money. His contract demands are not realistic imo. Hence I believe he is trying to force his way out of PHX by making such unreasonable demands. Time will tell... not trying to be condesending but almost all post were about how he does not want to play in PHX and I commented, I think it is about money and will be about money 90% of the time. If the wife, girlfirend are happy or if enough potential girlfriends are available, while making a good buck, players will live almost anywhere, especially PHX in the winter. I think he/hi9s agent sees these other guys holding out on the their first real contract and is going for broke. Now that Tavares has signed along with others, including Bogo, players/agents will come to their senses. Camp opens up tomorrow and some teams like the NYI will not sign anyone after camp opens. LA and Doughty better get it locked up and watch these other guys fall into place. I don't think it solely about the money. However, I certainly do not think it is about the city of PHX. I think, if he wants out, it might be more about the organization, coaching staff and Turris' role on the team and a feeling he is not advancing his career with the organization. In other words, it would be about the 'office place,' or work place politics...I can't believe he or his agent believe he's worth $4 million per year at this point, but I can believe they feel the Coyotes organization is to blame for his lack of development. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 23:16:32 GMT -6
You are correct: other than money, it's about his role. Yotes are a playoff team that wants out of the first round.
Tippett does not believe in the young'uns building their skills in the big league when a team is on the cusp; that's what the minors are for. Yandle proved himself. So has Hanzel, and after serving his time, Boedker has earned Tippett's respect and is looking for a break out season upcoming.
Turris has shown signs, but unlike Gretzky, Tippett has not seen enough of those signs to give him key minutes when every point in the standings count. In other words, no butt kissing for #3: and his current value is reduced by tippett's strong defensive philosophy.
It's money, and it's his role, and it's his impatience (see Hanzel and Boedker for instances of patience earning respect). It's not any baloney about the Coyotes ownership or fan support situation. He would play in an empty, un-airconditioned arena for years if he got the money to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 8:54:58 GMT -6
Something very strange happened above. My posting has somehow been cut off. I had another, final paragraph about hoe I like Turris and hope he stays but if he and his agent need him to go, then that's sports. Don't recall exactly what I said, but last night the paragraph was there, and this morning it isn't.
Anything similar happen like this previously?
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 16, 2011 12:23:30 GMT -6
Something very strange happened above. My posting has somehow been cut off. I had another, final paragraph about hoe I like Turris and hope he stays but if he and his agent need him to go, then that's sports. Don't recall exactly what I said, but last night the paragraph was there, and this morning it isn't. Anything similar happen like this previously? -TODD I edited your post by accident actually. I was trying to reply to it and hit the wrong button. I don't recall a final paragraph though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 13:17:55 GMT -6
That solves the mystery then. Either I included the paragraph and it was inadvertently cut, or I was dreaming that it was there. Used my older iPhone (now iPod touch) than my everyday one, so I may still have it on that in notes. But doesn't matter, the gist is what I summarized above for those of you who were waiting with baited breath for every gem that spews from my thumbs.
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Post by jjmoohead on Sept 16, 2011 18:21:00 GMT -6
I doubt the potential of a relocation has anything to do with it. He might not want to play for Phoenix due to the coach or whatever but I find it hard to believe a player would want to be traded simply cause the team might relocate in a year. Being traded is the same as relocating anyway only relocating is easier since all your teamates come along too. As for just giving him what he wants the Yotes are hamstringed by an NHL imposed salary limit as long as the team is owned by the league. I agree, the only reason he would want out of Phoenix is because its Phoenix. Not because they are leaving. Even when they were at their best, they had no support. Its a not winning situation there. If he wants out, I don't blame him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2011 22:45:21 GMT -6
You gotta love GM Don Maloney. He speaks his mind rather than sportcenter sound bites. Today, he effectively said he and Turris (actually, let's put most of this on his agent when we make it sound like Turris is speaking for himself) are miles apart and told media that camp has now started and he no longer wants to think about him. In other words, if they call, fine, but he's not calling them.
But, the best quote, the one that effectively told him he can sit out all season but he's not being traded, it's free world (and he's free to waste season and them see what the market will pay)....his
best quote was when he said of Turris, "But until you get there (to stats deserving their salary demands) then you have to settle; well, again, that's what makes America great, he doesn't have to settle. He can stay at home and watch Oprah."
Gotta love it. And, sure, Maloney appears to
be unaware of Oprah's retirement, but maybe he meant the Oprah Network.
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Post by JimmyMann on Sept 17, 2011 7:52:22 GMT -6
The Oprah network is more exciting than the product the Coyotes will have on the ice this season.
I wonder what the Coyotes current ownership group thinks of Turris's contract stalemate?
It is never good to have an asset sitting on the sidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2011 15:05:31 GMT -6
So he's sitting on the sidelines. What should they do, pay him money he hasn't earned? Trade him for a bag of pucks? It's unlikely that any team sees such worth in him immediately that Maloney will be offered much in return. If other teams see a future, not a now, they will simply wait until next year's free agent period to snap up his potential.
Maloney is hanging on and expecting Turris-agent to give in just so he can play this year; because how can you get free agent bucks when you've atrophied for a season.
Sometimes, the agents don't win. Rooting for Maloney to win by not tossing him out in a nothing-back return. Either that or a Multi year contract. A one year settlement contract won't do much for is.
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Sept 17, 2011 15:10:48 GMT -6
^ Trade him to the Jets for a bag of pucks...or let him stay home in Vancouver and watch the Canucks play all season...  |
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