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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2017 16:49:04 GMT -6
I think I may be being too hard on Maurice. I mean upper management has done nothing to help pout the situation.
Chevy could have fired Flaherty, but did nothing.
Chevy could have fired either Huddy or the coach in charge of special teams.
Chevy could have acquired a relable left hand defenseman during the off season, but did nothing.
Chevy could have picked up a reliable veteran goalie to help ease the transition for Hellebuyck, but has done nothing.
Not is Chevy just incompetent, or is something going on in the higher ranks, that we do not know about? I've heard Chipman has a militant attitude, in terms of what the press leaks out about the Jets, and reporters may lose access to the locker room, if they ask the wrong questions. I've also heard rumors that Chipman meddles in operations of the club (kin of like the Oilers Katz was accused of doing after he bought to team in 2008).
Or is it what I fear the most. Chipman is just too frugal, and loyal to ex-Moose personnel (i.e. Flaherty), that he has rendered Chevy impotent in making key changes that will help the Jets. If Chipman is vetoing Chevy's moves, then the Jets will always be a bottom 10 team, and never be a competitive team.
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My opinion:
It's Chipman.
Chevy has made for too few moves, but he has done a relatively good job in the moves he has made. He handled the Kane situation very well, and Ladd wasn't going to sign with us, so we end up getting a promising young forward (Dano). He has errored in giving contracts to Pavelec and Thorburn, and letting Frolik and Stempniak walk, were mistakes. Overall, I am convinced Chevy would do a lot more, but Chipman is secretly calling the shots, and being frugal.
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Post by pokeybandit on Jan 16, 2017 17:05:50 GMT -6
Jets are loyal to an absolute fault..... Where does that come from?
Also when 1 player can do as he pleases with no recourse.... Where does that come from?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 14:55:30 GMT -6
It's close but I still say Chipman.
Future question: What will the solution be to the Jets woes?
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Post by gforce on Jan 19, 2017 15:19:28 GMT -6
I worry the Jets will continue to get younger (Roslovic and Connor joining next year), and the vets get older. Spinning our wheels and never getting better.
Time to give up a bit of the future for some now. Look at teams like Pitt and Chicago, how many players have revolved through the doors there? Same core, different parts every year, either from the farm, or UFA.
Anyway, Jets problems may be deeper as suggested above.
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Post by earthbound14 on Jan 22, 2017 23:18:34 GMT -6
Honestly, the issues seem to be a combination.
The Jets have drafted well and have some really good talent.
The Jets have dealt with players well in terms of developing them and keeping them inline.
Coaching has been pretty good and I think direction from management has been good.
The issues seem to be that they have not been able to draft well beyond the first round. Truly good team's can get diamonds in later rounds....I.e. Chicago.
They have been unable to shore up depth on defense through the draft.
Poor decision to ride Helly without a good veteran backup to not only provide relief but also guidance.
They seem to be bad at seeing talent in depth players, putting too much stock in glue players and old school hockey grit rather than trying to develop a moderately talented 3rd or 4th line.
They seem to make their young 2nd and 3rd line players pull 4th line duty rather than help them succeed with better players. While their top talent gets all the breaks.
They bench 3rd and 4th line talent for any infraction while the top lines get far too many get out of jail free cards for poor play.
Coaching for goalies and defense is suspect. Special teams also.
The team itself does not play hard enough. However Wheeler, Scheifle and Perault work really hard.
With such hard working and now talented top line players, the issue remains finding the right depth players...Here Chevy has been terrible. He rides the team that he has rather than create the team that he wants. Perhaps too much focus on draft and develop.
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Post by TheDeuce on Jan 23, 2017 10:05:04 GMT -6
The buck stops at the top. That's Chipman.
What are the Jets' biggest problems? Goalie and left defense. What has the organization done to address those weaknesses?
Chipman should have given Chevy marching orders to get a LD and goalie two seasons ago. What we've gotten instead is more 'stand pat'.
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Post by Grumpz on Jan 23, 2017 17:08:24 GMT -6
The buck stops at the top. That's Chipman. What are the Jets' biggest problems? Goalie and left defense. What has the organization done to address those weaknesses? Chipman should have given Chevy marching orders to get a LD and goalie two seasons ago. What we've gotten instead is more 'stand pat'. m. With nmc's, there's only 2 ways to get this done. Draft and develop, or over pay. I'm ok with not over paying. |
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Post by pokeybandit on Jan 23, 2017 18:08:02 GMT -6
Honestly, the issues seem to be a combination. The Jets have drafted well and have some really good talent. The Jets have dealt with players well in terms of developing them and keeping them inline. Coaching has been pretty good and I think direction from management has been good. The issues seem to be that they have not been able to draft well beyond the first round. Truly good team's can get diamonds in later rounds....I.e. Chicago. They have been unable to shore up depth on defense through the draft. Poor decision to ride Helly without a good veteran backup to not only provide relief but also guidance. They seem to be bad at seeing talent in depth players, putting too much stock in glue players and old school hockey grit rather than trying to develop a moderately talented 3rd or 4th line. They seem to make their young 2nd and 3rd line players pull 4th line duty rather than help them succeed with better players. While their top talent gets all the breaks. They bench 3rd and 4th line talent for any infraction while the top lines get far too many get out of jail free cards for poor play. Coaching for goalies and defense is suspect. Special teams also. The team itself does not play hard enough. However Wheeler, Scheifle and Perreault work really hard. With such hard working and now talented top line players, the issue remains finding the right depth players...Here Chevy has been terrible. He rides the team that he has rather than create the team that he wants. Perhaps too much focus on draft and develop. Very well stated. Particularly agree with the get out of jail free card statement |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 19:59:25 GMT -6
The buck stops at the top. That's Chipman. What are the Jets' biggest problems? Goalie and left defense. What has the organization done to address those weaknesses? Chipman should have given Chevy marching orders to get a LD and goalie two seasons ago. What we've gotten instead is more 'stand pat'. m. With nmc's, there's only 2 ways to get this done. Draft and develop, or over pay. I'm ok with not over paying. Overpay??? There are plenty of veteran goalies that are superior to Pavelec and Hutch, yet cheaper without nmc's |
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Post by Grumpz on Jan 24, 2017 9:55:24 GMT -6
With nmc's, there's only 2 ways to get this done. Draft and develop, or over pay. I'm ok with not over paying. Overpay??? There are plenty of veteran goalies that are superior to Pavelec and Hutch, yet cheaper without nmc's Like? That we won't lose in the expansion draft? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 10:22:51 GMT -6
Overpay??? There are plenty of veteran goalies that are superior to Pavelec and Hutch, yet cheaper without nmc's Like? That we won't lose in the expansion draft? The Jets have had problems with goaltending since they relocated back to Winnipeg in 2011. They have had problems with defensive depth for the last 18 months. The expansion draft has nothing to do with this. In the first 10 years of the Jets 2.0, there will be only one expansion draft. How do you explain not solving this issues years before? Overpay....lol. We're one of the most frugal teams in the NHL. I doubt that will happen. |
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Post by Grumpz on Jan 24, 2017 15:43:09 GMT -6
Like? That we won't lose in the expansion draft? The Jets have had problems with goaltending since they relocated back to Winnipeg in 2011. They have had problems with defensive depth for the last 18 months. The expansion draft has nothing to do with this. In the first 10 years of the Jets 2.0, there will be only one expansion draft. How do you explain not solving this issues years before? Overpay....lol. We're one of the most frugal teams in the NHL. I doubt that will happen. With what is around the corner, we're close to a cap team in 3 yrs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 22:17:50 GMT -6
The Jets have had problems with goaltending since they relocated back to Winnipeg in 2011. They have had problems with defensive depth for the last 18 months. The expansion draft has nothing to do with this. In the first 10 years of the Jets 2.0, there will be only one expansion draft. How do you explain not solving this issues years before? Overpay....lol. We're one of the most frugal teams in the NHL. I doubt that will happen. With what is around the corner, we're close to a cap team in 3 yrs. We should send Laine down to the AHL. |
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Post by lenny on Jan 25, 2017 3:35:41 GMT -6
With what is around the corner, we're close to a cap team in 3 yrs. We should send Laine down to the AHL. 😋 |
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Post by Grumpz on Jan 25, 2017 6:21:35 GMT -6
With what is around the corner, we're close to a cap team in 3 yrs. We should send Laine down to the AHL. He did miss his check last night, and it cost us the game. Not to say the minors is where he should be. |
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