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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 2, 2023 22:29:37 GMT -6
I got some Pens fans worried on their SB Nation site that Harkins will be bringing the flu with him. That wouldn't be a great first impression with his new squad. Easy Peasy just quarantine him for 2 weeks and then send him down to the A. The fans in the Pitt will love that. No "flu" worries.
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Post by manilow78 on Oct 2, 2023 22:37:57 GMT -6
My impressions from being at the game in Calgary tonight:
1) Hellebuyck was fine. D went into their file drill and back up mode in their own zone. He faced a ton of quality chances.
2) I really like Iafollo's game. Will help us a bunch. Nice two way player.
3) Gus wasn't always pretty but he was effective.
4) Worst player on either team by far was Neil Pionk. Man, what happened to him? Is he hurt? A total giveaway machine. No size and lost every puck battle. Yet he played PK, PP and got so much ice time. He sunk us all by himself.
5) Stanley just not good enough, Heinola can flash a bit of speed and skill but really weak in his own zone. They both could go down.
6) Looking forward to seeing Connor , Ehlers , Scheifele , Lowry and Vilardi back in the lineup.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Oct 2, 2023 22:46:55 GMT -6
I got some Pens fans worried on their SB Nation site that Harkins will be bringing the flu with him. That wouldn't be a great first impression with his new squad. Easy Peasy just quarantine him for 2 weeks and then send him down to the A. The fans in the Pitt will love that. No "flu" worries. Believe if Pittsburgh sends him to the AHL, he comes back to the Winnipeg Jets (Manitoba Moose).
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 3, 2023 7:29:18 GMT -6
My impressions from being at the game in Calgary tonight: 1) Hellebuyck was fine. D went into their file drill and back up mode in their own zone. He faced a ton of quality chances. 2) I really like Iafollo's game. Will help us a bunch. Nice two way player. 3) Gus wasn't always pretty but he was effective. 4) Worst player on either team by far was Neil Pionk. Man, what happened to him? Is he hurt? A total giveaway machine. No size and lost every puck battle. Yet he played PK, PP and got so much ice time. He sunk us all by himself. 5) Stanley just not good enough, Heinola can flash a bit of speed and skill but really weak in his own zone. They both could go down. 6) Looking forward to seeing Connor , Ehlers , Scheifele and Vilardi in the lineup. Thanks for the feedback/insights👍.
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 3, 2023 7:30:09 GMT -6
Easy Peasy just quarantine him for 2 weeks and then send him down to the A. The fans in the Pitt will love that. No "flu" worries. Believe if Pittsburgh sends him to the AHL, he comes back to the Winnipeg Jets (Manitoba Moose). That is a possibility!
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 3, 2023 7:32:03 GMT -6
Game started out well for the Jets but got sloppier as the game progressed to the point where it seemed they couldn't really keep up with the Flames. Would have liked to have seen Delia in this game. Yeah, but who knows how many forwards will be ready for the final game. Heard Ehlers was ruled out already and guessing the most recent flu cases (Scheifele/Barron) will probably be out too. Maybe Connor/Vilardi are back to full health, but who else picks up the bug? Hoping everyone will be ready to go on the 11th. Hopefully👍.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 3, 2023 11:53:07 GMT -6
Harkins gone to Pittsburgh. I don't like it. I think after last year's numbers with the Moose, he was turning the corner into becoming a very productive bottom 6 guy. Not to mention a good camp.
I'm not sure why the Jets are so in love with Appleton. He was a non-factor last year. I'd have kept Harkins over him. Appleton would have likely cleared waivers. It'll be interesting to see how the Penguins use Harkins and how he produces there.
Self edit. Appleton is making $2.25 million a year. Go figure. I guess you can't be paying bucks like that to an AHL player. I would suggest he's overpaid. A 1st year franchise didn't want him. Puzzling.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Oct 3, 2023 18:21:54 GMT -6
Harkins gone to Pittsburgh. I don't like it. I think after last year's numbers with the Moose, he was turning the corner into becoming a very productive bottom 6 guy. Not to mention a good camp. I'm not sure why the Jets are so in love with Appleton. He was a non-factor last year. I'd have kept Harkins over him. Appleton would have likely cleared waivers. It'll be interesting to see how the Penguins use Harkins and how he produces there. Self edit. Appleton is making $2.25 million a year. Go figure. I guess you can't be paying bucks like that to an AHL player. I would suggest he's overpaid. A 1st year franchise didn't want him. Puzzling. Appleton is a better player than Harkins, at both ends of the ice. Is he overpaid? He might be a bit, he did not have a great year last year. Harkins is really a nobody (no offence intended) , bottom of the roster bubble guy. He is fast and works hard but to me is minimally skilled; he seems to be out of control in his skating, all speed and no control. Having said that, the fact that we waived him speaks to our depth compared to previous years. The PLD trade resulted in 2 additional depth players that were instant starters which pushed all the 4th line guys from last year right to the bubble.
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 3, 2023 18:24:20 GMT -6
Harkins gone to Pittsburgh. I don't like it. I think after last year's numbers with the Moose, he was turning the corner into becoming a very productive bottom 6 guy. Not to mention a good camp. I'm not sure why the Jets are so in love with Appleton. He was a non-factor last year. I'd have kept Harkins over him. Appleton would have likely cleared waivers. It'll be interesting to see how the Penguins use Harkins and how he produces there. Self edit. Appleton is making $2.25 million a year. Go figure. I guess you can't be paying bucks like that to an AHL player. I would suggest he's overpaid. A 1st year franchise didn't want him. Puzzling. Appleton is a better player than Harkins, at both ends of the ice. Is he overpaid? He might be a bit, he did not have a great year last year. Harkins is really a nobody (no offence intended) , bottom of the roster bubble guy. He is fast and works hard but to me is minimally skilled; he seems to be out of control in his skating, all speed and no control. Having said that, the fact that we waived him speaks to our depth compared to previous years. The PLD trade resulted in 2 additional depth players that were instant starters which pushed all the 4th line guys from last year right to the bubble. Agree with you 100%👍.
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Post by lenny on Oct 4, 2023 10:35:13 GMT -6
How many games did Appleton play last year being the injury prone guy he is? 41. 5G 11A? Wow. Power forward there. The Jets thought him expendable last time and he hasn't enhanced his status as far as i can see. Never throws down the gloves. Leaves it to his center Lowry.Average skater with middling playmaking abilities. He had his shot. Unfortunately i don't think anyone would pick him up on a waiver and the Jets don't want to waste that kind of salary in the AHL.
His CF% last year was a pathetic 45.5 for a CF rel of -9.5. Big deal. I would have ditched him for Harkins but likely no team would take him on a trade given his salary.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 4, 2023 21:10:22 GMT -6
How many games did Appleton play last year being the injury prone guy he is? 41. 5G 11A? Wow. Power forward there. The Jets thought him expendable last time and he hasn't enhanced his status as far as i can see. Never throws down the gloves. Leaves it to his center Lowry.Average skater with middling playmaking abilities. He had his shot. Unfortunately i don't think anyone would pick him up on a waiver and the Jets don't want to waste that kind of salary in the AHL. His CF% last year was a pathetic 45.5 for a CF rel of -9.5. Big deal. I would have ditched him for Harkins but likely no team would take him on a trade given his salary. Good take. Appleton has impressed very little since coming back from Seattle. Don't get the admiration for him or the salary. I'll be interested to see how Harkins does going forward, possibly with more than 10 minutes a game, or whatever he was getting with the Jets. I think 50 pts in 44 games with the Moose last year makes me think he has way more upside than Appleton. The Jets basically frittered away the leading scorer on their farm club in points per game. Who does that? What is likely comes down to is the salary, and that Apps is one of Chevy's guys.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Oct 4, 2023 21:24:38 GMT -6
How many games did Appleton play last year being the injury prone guy he is? 41. 5G 11A? Wow. Power forward there. The Jets thought him expendable last time and he hasn't enhanced his status as far as i can see. Never throws down the gloves. Leaves it to his center Lowry.Average skater with middling playmaking abilities. He had his shot. Unfortunately i don't think anyone would pick him up on a waiver and the Jets don't want to waste that kind of salary in the AHL. His CF% last year was a pathetic 45.5 for a CF rel of -9.5. Big deal. I would have ditched him for Harkins but likely no team would take him on a trade given his salary. Good take. Appleton has impressed very little since coming back from Seattle. Don't get the admiration for him or the salary. I'll be interested to see how Harkins does going forward, possibly with more than 10 minutes a game, or whatever he was getting with the Jets. I think 50 pts in 44 games with the Moose last year makes me think he has way more upside than Appleton. The Jets basically frittered away the leading scorer on their farm club in points per game. Who does that? I would say that at least half of the top 50 scorers in the AHL each season are career minor leaguers. Players like Sami Niku and Nic Petan were elite scorers but haven't managed to stick in the NHL with teams like the Canadiens, Canucks, Wild, etc. On a somewhat related note, just saw the Sharks placed Gawanke on waivers. So lots of teams let their leading AHL scorers go and for the most part it is the correct decision because the players rarely crack the NHL on any consistent basis. Not saying that will be the case with Harkins, cause I never saw the beef with his play (his player card for the NHL had defense rated at 91% for last season, what more do you want from the bottom 6?). Appleton scored at 32 pt pace, which is pretty much dead-on the average for 3rd liners last season (34). So that's not bad with the addition of being solid on the PK. However, he also had closer to the upper level limit of 3rd line minutes or the very bottom of 2nd line minutes, so you would expect that to be closer to 40 pts.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 4, 2023 21:35:07 GMT -6
Good take. Appleton has impressed very little since coming back from Seattle. Don't get the admiration for him or the salary. I'll be interested to see how Harkins does going forward, possibly with more than 10 minutes a game, or whatever he was getting with the Jets. I think 50 pts in 44 games with the Moose last year makes me think he has way more upside than Appleton. The Jets basically frittered away the leading scorer on their farm club in points per game. Who does that? I would say that at least half of the top 50 scorers in the AHL each season are career minor leaguers. Players like Sami Niku and Nic Petan were elite scorers but haven't managed to stick in the NHL with teams like the Canadiens, Canucks, Wild, etc. On a somewhat related note, just saw the Sharks placed Gawanke on waivers. So lots of teams let their leading AHL scorers go and for the most part it is the correct decision because the players rarely crack the NHL on any consistent basis. Not saying that will be the case with Harkins, cause I never saw the beef with his play (his player card for the NHL had defense rated at 91% for last season, what more do you want from the bottom 6?). Appleton scored at 32 pt pace, which is pretty much dead-on the average for 3rd liners last season (34). So that's not bad with the addition of being solid on the PK. However, he also had closer to the upper level limit of 3rd line minutes or the very bottom of 2nd line minutes, so you would expect that to be closer to 40 pts. Fair enough. I just think Harkins is an overall better player, good enough defensively with more scoring upside. We will see. And a better price tag.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Oct 4, 2023 21:59:45 GMT -6
Probably not the best place for this, but it is apt to the discussion about Apples/Harkins, so here it goes:
Was looking at the average point production for forwards last season in the NHL based on average time on ice (TOI) per game. By the end of the review, I came up with these productions for each line:
1st Line: average of .9403 pts/game or 77 pts over 82 games 2nd Line: average of .6103 pts/game or 50 pts over 82 games 3rd Line: average of .4197 pts/game or 34 pts over 82 games 4th Line: average of .253435 pts/game or 20.8 pts over 82 games
I also broke the individual lines into smaller groups to see how Winnipeg Jet players compared to the average in their TOI range.
Plus/Minus Point Production Based on Total Ice Time (2023-24): * projected for full 82 game season Ehlers +29 Wheeler +9 Perfetti +8 Eyssimont +6 Jonsson-Fjallby +5 Dubois +3 Namestnikov +1 Harkins +1 Gagner E Barron -3 Lowry -4 Connor -5 Niederreiter -5 Gustafsson -5 Maenalanen -5 Stenlund -9 Appleton -11 Kuhlman -14 Scheifele -16
It is important to note that I used total time on ice in my calculations, so players with lots of short-handed time might be expected to be slightly below average in production. The opposite is also true, when a player's PP time takes up a significant portion of their total ice time. While the review is far from perfect, it should give us an idea of who made the most of their ice time last year.
It definitely supports what the fans are saying about needing to give Ehlers more ice time, since he scored 29 more points than the average player with his TOI. On the opposite end, guys like Scheifele or Kuhlman were way below average for their minutes played (yet Scheifele didn't have PK minutes to use as an excuse like the other players on the bottom of the list).
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 4, 2023 23:02:45 GMT -6
Probably not the best place for this, but it is apt to the discussion about Apples/Harkins, so here it goes: Was looking at the average point production for forwards last season in the NHL based on average time on ice (TOI) per game. By the end of the review, I came up with these productions for each line: 1st Line: average of .9403 pts/game or 77 pts over 82 games 2nd Line: average of .6103 pts/game or 50 pts over 82 games 3rd Line: average of .4197 pts/game or 34 pts over 82 games 4th Line: average of .253435 pts/game or 20.8 pts over 82 gamesI also broke the individual lines into smaller groups to see how Winnipeg Jet players compared to the average in their TOI range. Plus/Minus Point Production Based on Total Ice Time (2023-24): * projected for full 82 game seasonEhlers +29 Wheeler +9 Perfetti +8 Eyssimont +6 Jonsson-Fjallby +5 Dubois +3 Namestnikov +1 Harkins +1 Gagner E Barron -3 Lowry -4 Connor -5 Niederreiter -5 Gustafsson -5 Maenalanen -5 Stenlund -9 Appleton -11 Kuhlman -14 Scheifele -16 It is important to note that I used total time on ice in my calculations, so players with lots of short-handed time might be expected to be slightly below average in production. The opposite is also true, when a player's PP time takes up a significant portion of their total ice time. While the review is far from perfect, it should give us an idea of who made the most of their ice time last year. It definitely supports what the fans are saying about needing to give Ehlers more ice time, since he scored 29 more points than the average player with his TOI. On the opposite end, guys like Scheifele or Kuhlman were way below average for their minutes played (yet Scheifele didn't have PK minutes to use as an excuse like the other players on the bottom of the list). Startling. Whatever these numbers are worth, it's interesting to note that #4 and #8 on the list are lost on waivers. And many less productive are still around. Yeah, points aren't everything, but they are something. Looking at Scheifele's score says a lot.
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