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Post by 2b9 on Oct 5, 2023 8:12:21 GMT -6
Probably not the best place for this, but it is apt to the discussion about Apples/Harkins, so here it goes: Was looking at the average point production for forwards last season in the NHL based on average time on ice (TOI) per game. By the end of the review, I came up with these productions for each line: 1st Line: average of .9403 pts/game or 77 pts over 82 games
2nd Line: average of .6103 pts/game or 50 pts over 82 games
3rd Line: average of .4197 pts/game or 34 pts over 82 games
4th Line: average of .253435 pts/game or 20.8 pts over 82 gamesI also broke the individual lines into smaller groups to see how Winnipeg Jet players compared to the average in their TOI range. Plus/Minus Point Production Based on Total Ice Time (2023-24): * projected for full 82 game seasonEhlers +29 Wheeler +9 Perfetti +8 Eyssimont +6 Jonsson-Fjallby +5 Dubois +3 Namestnikov +1 Harkins +1 Gagner E Barron -3 Lowry -4 Connor -5 Niederreiter -5 Gustafsson -5 Maenalanen -5 Stenlund -9 Appleton -11 Kuhlman -14 Scheifele -16 It is important to note that I used total time on ice in my calculations, so players with lots of short-handed time might be expected to be slightly below average in production. The opposite is also true, when a player's PP time takes up a significant portion of their total ice time. While the review is far from perfect, it should give us an idea of who made the most of their ice time last year. It definitely supports what the fans are saying about needing to give Ehlers more ice time, since he scored 29 more points than the average player with his TOI. On the opposite end, guys like Scheifele or Kuhlman were way below average for their minutes played (yet Scheifele didn't have PK minutes to use as an excuse like the other players on the bottom of the list). Great post👍. |
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Post by ekjet72 on Oct 5, 2023 8:47:38 GMT -6
Yes great post. And asks the question, Harkins over Apples?
By salary and plus minus metrics Harkins "wins".
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Post by Tracker on Oct 5, 2023 11:33:23 GMT -6
Probably not the best place for this, but it is apt to the discussion about Apples/Harkins, so here it goes: Was looking at the average point production for forwards last season in the NHL based on average time on ice (TOI) per game. By the end of the review, I came up with these productions for each line: 1st Line: average of .9403 pts/game or 77 pts over 82 games
2nd Line: average of .6103 pts/game or 50 pts over 82 games
3rd Line: average of .4197 pts/game or 34 pts over 82 games
4th Line: average of .253435 pts/game or 20.8 pts over 82 gamesI also broke the individual lines into smaller groups to see how Winnipeg Jet players compared to the average in their TOI range. Plus/Minus Point Production Based on Total Ice Time (2023-24): * projected for full 82 game seasonEhlers +29 Wheeler +9 Perfetti +8 Eyssimont +6 Jonsson-Fjallby +5 Dubois +3 Namestnikov +1 Harkins +1 Gagner E Barron -3 Lowry -4 Connor -5 Niederreiter -5 Gustafsson -5 Maenalanen -5 Stenlund -9 Appleton -11 Kuhlman -14 Scheifele -16 It is important to note that I used total time on ice in my calculations, so players with lots of short-handed time might be expected to be slightly below average in production. The opposite is also true, when a player's PP time takes up a significant portion of their total ice time. While the review is far from perfect, it should give us an idea of who made the most of their ice time last year. It definitely supports what the fans are saying about needing to give Ehlers more ice time, since he scored 29 more points than the average player with his TOI. On the opposite end, guys like Scheifele or Kuhlman were way below average for their minutes played (yet Scheifele didn't have PK minutes to use as an excuse like the other players on the bottom of the list). Great post👍. Also an insight as to why other teams are not falling over each other to trade for Scheifele. |
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Post by sgtbarnes on Oct 5, 2023 12:29:03 GMT -6
I would assume Appleton is on a one way contract. So he gets paid $2.25 with either the Moose or the Jets. My question is, if a one way player is sent down, does his salary stay on the NHL team's cap?
In regard to Harkins, yeah, scoring in the AHL comes easier than with the big club. But, when a guy goes down and absolute lights it up, you have to think that icetime and quality of line mates is part of the equation. I expected to see him on the roster at least at the start of the regular season.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Oct 5, 2023 13:44:23 GMT -6
I would assume Appleton is on a one way contract. So he gets paid $2.25 with either the Moose or the Jets. My question is, if a one way player is sent down, does his salary stay on the NHL team's cap? In regard to Harkins, yeah, scoring in the AHL comes easier than with the big club. But, when a guy goes down and absolute lights it up, you have to think that icetime and quality of line mates is part of the equation. I expected to see him on the roster at least at the start of the regular season. Teams can only hide $1.125M per player in the minors, so anything above that counts against the NHL team's cap. |
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 5, 2023 13:59:37 GMT -6
I would assume Appleton is on a one way contract. So he gets paid $2.25 with either the Moose or the Jets. My question is, if a one way player is sent down, does his salary stay on the NHL team's cap? In regard to Harkins, yeah, scoring in the AHL comes easier than with the big club. But, when a guy goes down and absolute lights it up, you have to think that icetime and quality of line mates is part of the equation. I expected to see him on the roster at least at the start of the regular season. Teams can only hide $1.125M per player in the minors, so anything above that counts against the NHL team's cap. Ah, good to know, thank you👍. |
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Post by ddanger on Oct 5, 2023 15:08:37 GMT -6
Probably not the best place for this, but it is apt to the discussion about Apples/Harkins, so here it goes: Was looking at the average point production for forwards last season in the NHL based on average time on ice (TOI) per game. By the end of the review, I came up with these productions for each line: 1st Line: average of .9403 pts/game or 77 pts over 82 games
2nd Line: average of .6103 pts/game or 50 pts over 82 games
3rd Line: average of .4197 pts/game or 34 pts over 82 games
4th Line: average of .253435 pts/game or 20.8 pts over 82 gamesI also broke the individual lines into smaller groups to see how Winnipeg Jet players compared to the average in their TOI range. Plus/Minus Point Production Based on Total Ice Time (2023-24): * projected for full 82 game seasonEhlers +29 Wheeler +9 Perfetti +8 Eyssimont +6 Jonsson-Fjallby +5 Dubois +3 Namestnikov +1 Harkins +1 Gagner E Barron -3 Lowry -4 Connor -5 Niederreiter -5 Gustafsson -5 Maenalanen -5 Stenlund -9 Appleton -11 Kuhlman -14 Scheifele -16 It is important to note that I used total time on ice in my calculations, so players with lots of short-handed time might be expected to be slightly below average in production. The opposite is also true, when a player's PP time takes up a significant portion of their total ice time. While the review is far from perfect, it should give us an idea of who made the most of their ice time last year. It definitely supports what the fans are saying about needing to give Ehlers more ice time, since he scored 29 more points than the average player with his TOI. On the opposite end, guys like Scheifele or Kuhlman were way below average for their minutes played (yet Scheifele didn't have PK minutes to use as an excuse like the other players on the bottom of the list). Great post👍. Nikki is so under-utilized....and perhaps it's no wonder we haven't moved 55. His stats are brutal. |
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 5, 2023 15:30:19 GMT -6
Nikki is so under-utilized....and perhaps it's no wonder we haven't moved 55. His stats are brutal. Yes, Ehlers is under utilized, and, what worries me about Ehlers: injuries. Nothing to say about 55. |
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