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Post by sgtbarnes on Dec 14, 2023 17:15:34 GMT -6
There's not a goaltender on the planet that doesn't let a soft goal in once in a while. They all do. Hasek is considered one of the best of all time, and he had games where he was lit up and pulled. He won 6 Vezinas.
That's why the stats are based on a season's worth of work. Percentages and averages. And career numbers.
Hellebuyck up to this point in his career actually has a better win % than the Dominator. And Patrick Roy. With a crap team for a lot of those seasons. Since Helle has become a starter, no goaltender in the league has faced and stopped more shots.
14 wins against 7 losses this year and he's the problem? One soft goal, we win anyway and he's a bum?
Let's get real. Hellebuyck will have his ups and downs. And he still needs to prove himself in the playoffs. But, the team in front of him is a big factor. They play better. He can win. Even with the occasional whiff.
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Post by 2b9 on Dec 14, 2023 17:17:20 GMT -6
Except when the game is on the line and he pulls one of his famous "Brain Farts" like the goal yesterday from the corner right from the goal line slightly behind the net...PRICELESS! Even the guy who scored it was laughing at Helle. Brain fart LOL ? It hit him in the head and went in ! THATS why the guy was laughing. NO goalie stops every shot. NO goalie doesn't let in a softie once in a while. And guess what THEY WON THE GAME ! Say what you want, think what you want but I'll go with the opinion of those who know about goaltending and with actual facts and numbers. You are bang on again Hillman, agree with you on everything that you said👍. Just remember, there are some people out there that you can never please no matter what, they will always be naysayers no matter what, regardless of the truth/proof in the pudding. A naysayer and a negative Nelly will always be as such, a naysayer and negative Nelly no matter what, a negative and sad person in life in general. |
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Post by sgtbarnes on Dec 14, 2023 17:20:06 GMT -6
Except when the game is on the line and he pulls one of his famous "Brain Farts" like the goal yesterday from the corner right from the goal line slightly behind the net...PRICELESS! Even the guy who scored it was laughing at Helle. Brain fart LOL ? It hit him in the head and went in ! THATS why the guy was laughing. NO goalie stops every shot. NO goalie doesn't let in a softie once in a while. And guess what THEY WON THE GAME ! Say what you want, think what you want but I'll go with the opinion of those who know about goaltending and with actual facts and numbers. Well said. The goal was a pure fluke. It happens. If a goalie has a bad game, criticism is warranted. But, he didn't and we won. He held up his end. |
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Post by 2b9 on Dec 14, 2023 17:40:28 GMT -6
Brain fart LOL ? It hit him in the head and went in ! THATS why the guy was laughing. NO goalie stops every shot. NO goalie doesn't let in a softie once in a while. And guess what THEY WON THE GAME ! Say what you want, think what you want but I'll go with the opinion of those who know about goaltending and with actual facts and numbers. Well said. The goal was a pure fluke. It happens. If a goalie has a bad game, criticism is warranted. But, he didn't and we won. He held up his end. Well said sgtbarnes👍. |
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Post by 2b9 on Dec 14, 2023 18:15:55 GMT -6
I am glad to see Helle got his Vezina form back too. He never had a Vezina form, you have been listening too the fake media about him. Wanted to be traded but no other GM wanted him LOL. Oh yeah, fake media, HMM, you are crazy and delusional. I guess that Helle winning the Vezina when he did was fake media, and, all based on fake media according to you. I’m confident that no one within the media listens to you and your negativity. You are a negative Nelly and a pessimist whom is a narcissist, and obviously a crazy wack-job. Feel so sorry for you and your lostness, hopefully your life improves, God speed his love to you, you obviously need it based on being dilusional, hope that you get better soon from your ailment of being delusional and negative. Have a great and wonderful evening. Cheers, 2b9😃👍 |
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Post by darlyn on Dec 14, 2023 22:19:17 GMT -6
Just saw Button picking the Jets out of the top Canadian teams to make it to the playoffs this year.
However, the host (?) seemed surprised that Button did not pick the Oils or the Nucks for top hotdog,
and tried to change his mind. Button was steadfast though and gave the host a good teaching on hockey...lol
I wish I could have stayed awake to watch the rest of the game... was so awesome to check the score this morning.
Next time!!!
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Post by lenny on Dec 15, 2023 11:10:11 GMT -6
Yeah it's pretty hard to be arguing that Helle is a problem. In fact defensively the Jets are pretty sound which should reflect (or it better) in things like sv% and GAA and Helle is .916 which is better than the league average and a sound GAA of 2.42.
I think this is reflected in the team being one of the better teams in SA/GP (shots against per games played) 7th, and 6th in GA/GP. Even in expected GA which counts shot location they're 13th best. LA is the best.
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Post by truthspeaker on Dec 15, 2023 14:39:19 GMT -6
Looks like I touched a nerve with some of you Helle lovers, oh well, get over it, not everyone likes Hellesuyck and we are entitled to our opinions as much as you hate it. But Honeybadger is right we will win nothing in the playoffs with Hellesuyck. Differing opinions is what makes a fan forum enjoyable to read and you insulting and making assumptions about a person that you do not know based on their opinion is just wrong. Anyway, we can ALL continue posting our opinions and you can learn to tolerate them. Have a blessed day, talk with you all next game.
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Post by ekjet72 on Dec 15, 2023 15:37:28 GMT -6
Well, I guess you're right, about the forum, and being able to have a discussion back and forth, about a topic like Hellisgreat. One way this problem/discussion is solved will be the playoffs.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Dec 15, 2023 17:39:32 GMT -6
Looks like I touched a nerve with some of you Helle lovers, oh well, get over it, not everyone likes Hellesuyck and we are entitled to our opinions as much as you hate it. But Honeybadger is right we will win nothing in the playoffs with Hellesuyck. Differing opinions is what makes a fan forum enjoyable to read and you insulting and making assumptions about a person that you do not know based on their opinion is just wrong. Anyway, we can ALL continue posting our opinions and you can learn to tolerate them. Have a blessed day, talk with you all next game. It is not that you hold a specific opinion about the player, it is that you essentially repeat it virtually every game he plays. It just gets old. |
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Post by 2b9 on Dec 15, 2023 17:57:20 GMT -6
Looks like I touched a nerve with some of you Helle lovers, oh well, get over it, not everyone likes Hellesuyck and we are entitled to our opinions as much as you hate it. But Honeybadger is right we will win nothing in the playoffs with Hellesuyck. Differing opinions is what makes a fan forum enjoyable to read and you insulting and making assumptions about a person that you do not know based on their opinion is just wrong. Anyway, we can ALL continue posting our opinions and you can learn to tolerate them. Have a blessed day, talk with you all next game. It is not that you hold a specific opinion about the player, it is that you essentially repeat it virtually every game he plays. It just gets old. Awesome point PeakyBlinders, you are 100% correct👍! Very well put by yourself, excellent comment from you👍. Thank You👍! |
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Post by sgtbarnes on Dec 15, 2023 18:38:28 GMT -6
Looks like I touched a nerve with some of you Helle lovers, oh well, get over it, not everyone likes Hellesuyck and we are entitled to our opinions as much as you hate it. But Honeybadger is right we will win nothing in the playoffs with Hellesuyck. Differing opinions is what makes a fan forum enjoyable to read and you insulting and making assumptions about a person that you do not know based on their opinion is just wrong. Anyway, we can ALL continue posting our opinions and you can learn to tolerate them. Have a blessed day, talk with you all next game. One thing I can agree with you on. Some of the remarks thrown back at you were too personal and over the top. Being a little snide and sarcastic is part of the debate here. I'm fine with it. Kind of enjoy it. But, some need to not cross the line. I was against the long term deal for Hellebuyck. But, I have no problem with his play so far. I'll worry about the playoffs when we get there. |
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Post by Ric O. on Dec 15, 2023 21:17:58 GMT -6
Looks like I touched a nerve with some of you Helle lovers, oh well, get over it, not everyone likes Hellesuyck and we are entitled to our opinions as much as you hate it. But Honeybadger is right we will win nothing in the playoffs with Hellesuyck. Differing opinions is what makes a fan forum enjoyable to read and you insulting and making assumptions about a person that you do not know based on their opinion is just wrong. Anyway, we can ALL continue posting our opinions and you can learn to tolerate them. Have a blessed day, talk with you all next game. One thing I can agree with you on. Some of the remarks thrown back at you were too personal and over the top. Being a little snide and sarcastic is part of the debate here. I'm fine with it. Kind of enjoy it. But, some need to not cross the line. I was against the long term deal for Hellebuyck. But, I have no problem with his play so far. I'll worry about the playoffs when we get there. Absolutely sarge, personal attacks are not welcome here and comments that call out a member in a personal way are not allowed. I don't really like changing the name of the player to give it a bit of a trolly vibe and maybe getting some members worked up a bit, but I guess the misspelling fits the opinion and members can think whatever they want about a player. If things are said for the purpose of trolling the forum, that's a different matter. I don't feel there's intent to do that...my impression is that some just aren't Helle fans, and I think that's fine.
Hellebuyck, I don't think there's much debate really when you look objectively at his numbers and watch the games to see the number of big saves he makes...in the regular season. I'm not sure he's ever stolen a playoff game for us let alone a series, so imo, he still has much to prove...even if he might rightly win a 2nd Vezina this year.
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Post by Ric O. on Dec 15, 2023 21:32:38 GMT -6
Valardi is already a better player than Pouty PLD Dubois was virtually invisible. Valardi finally got his game going a the perfect time. I think the Jets won this trade hands down PLD is what he is. Really too bad as he has all the tools. physical tools |
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Dec 16, 2023 9:00:07 GMT -6
Dubois was virtually invisible. Valardi finally got his game going a the perfect time. I think the Jets won this trade hands down PLD is what he is. Really too bad as he has all the tools. physical tools It is interesting that PLD was rated for Laine - both players with tremendous physical talent but both lack dedication to utilizing their talent. |
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