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Post by 2b9 on Jul 16, 2024 7:37:43 GMT -6
Ville Heinola signed a 2 yr deal ($800k/yr) extension with the Jets. Interestingly, the Finn will be paid more (25k) in the AHL than he would in the NHL in the 2nd year of the deal, but will earn 25K less in the minors in the upcoming season. Perfetti & Lundmark left to sign (RFAs).ย $7,376,309 to spend. ***note: PuckPedia now has Heinola's contract as a standard one way deal that pays him $775k this season and $825k next season, whether he wears a Moose or Jets jersey.**He should never see the AHL again. He wonโt be going back to the AHL. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 18, 2024 15:18:11 GMT -6
Agreed on all, wake up time McG. I find it intriguingly interesting that McG himself has been totally silent throughout this whole disaster, not a word from himself/McG, only words from apparently people close to his Camp, and at the same time, no word from his AGENT. At the very least, McG/himself should come forward PUBLICLY and address the situation, answering questions as to whatโs going on: Is this all true/your demands? Where are you getting your advice from? What are your thoughts right now knowing how this situation has gone? Whatโs the REAL Truth, why did this happen? Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ Well the story that appeared today was that the Jets tried to trade him twice and it was during the draft. One was close but fell through. So this matter is serious enough and still a lot of time to happen. He doesn't like what he sees with the Jets and it's his right to look after his interests. If the Jets want to draft from players who plan to enter into the NCAA then they should calculate the risk that this can happen. I'm assuming they do so no use crying over spilt milk. You nailed it. Devil's advocate here. You're a superstar on a major NCAA campus. You can earn more in NIL money by staying there than a NHL ELC will pay you. Also, signing that ELC will commit you to playing in the least attractive Canadian market for 6 or 7 years, on a team that seems to be going nowhere soon. Or, mired in their AHL affiliate, because they think they can "win now". Add to that, that you might want to play in a city in your own country, closer to friends and family. My point. McGroarty owes the Jets nothing simply because they drafted him. It's a different dynamic than drafting kids out of junior that want to get the paychecks coming. Call it attitude. Arrogance. Whatever. How many of us would do the same thing with the options he has available? Draft at your peril.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 18, 2024 15:25:34 GMT -6
There was a โrumourโ of a Jets Leafs trade where we got Marner but gave up Ehlers, McGroarty and a 1st round pick.
I literally could not stop laughingโฆ.had to be a Toronto source for that Crap trade
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 18, 2024 16:53:31 GMT -6
Well the story that appeared today was that the Jets tried to trade him twice and it was during the draft. One was close but fell through. So this matter is serious enough and still a lot of time to happen. He doesn't like what he sees with the Jets and it's his right to look after his interests. If the Jets want to draft from players who plan to enter into the NCAA then they should calculate the risk that this can happen. I'm assuming they do so no use crying over spilt milk. You nailed it. Devil's advocate here. You're a superstar on a major NCAA campus. You can earn more in NIL money by staying there than a NHL ELC will pay you. Also, signing that ELC will commit you to playing in the least attractive Canadian market for 6 or 7 years, on a team that seems to be going nowhere soon. Or, mired in their AHL affiliate, because they think they can "win now". Add to that, that you might want to play in a city in your own country, closer to friends and family. My point. McGroarty owes the Jets nothing simply because they drafted him. It's a different dynamic than drafting kids out of junior that want to get the paychecks coming. Call it attitude. Arrogance. Whatever. How many of us would do the same thing with the options he has available? Draft at your peril. Not sure the whole McG issue has any specific issue with Winnipeg, as all reports seem to indicate it is about playing in the NHL right away in a top 9 role with powerplay time. Those demands didn't seem to change when Chevy found two different trading partners and since they were unable to offer those guarantees too, no deal could be made. Maybe those two places were "bad" places like the Peg and that was why he wasn't willing to alter his demands? But that's just speculation. I have no issue with the guy using whatever path is open to him, my issue is with the NHL as a league that doesn't have draft pick compensation for such scenarios (unlike other major sports). That way if someone decides to wait for early UFA to sign a contract, the team still gets equivalent compensation and both sides walk away happy. It's nonsense to put most of the negotiating power on one side. BTW...I doubt NCAA hockey will result in any huge payments. From what I've found in a quick search, it sounds it will be more likely to be freebies/swag than a lot of cash. Right now, one page has his value at $74,600. pstgm.com/portal/profile.cfm?publickey=B634A7AF-D0AF-C008-3416B5AB4534EDCA&FullName=Rutger-McGroarty&Influencer=Yes&Athlete=Yes&College=University-Of-Michigan&Sport=IceHockeyHowever, it also allows the kid to do something like the following link: opendorse.com/profile/rutger-mcgroartyWhat deals!! You can get a recorded video message from the guy for $10 or maybe you want him to post a message for you ($24) or get an autograph ($40). The best value would be the $43 appearance fee...maybe Chevy should use that option for training camp? lol For a comparison, Perfetti made $92,500 in signing bonuses by agreeing to his ELC right away. In the three seasons since being drafted, Cole has made very close to or over a million dollars each season with performance bonuses/AHL/NHL salaries combined. A much later draft pick like Lambert also had a signing bonus but spent the entire season in the AHL and ended up making $190,000 in his first season. Personally, I don't expect McG to be traded until the next trade deadline at the earliest and more likely at the next draft.
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 18, 2024 17:54:00 GMT -6
You nailed it. Devil's advocate here. You're a superstar on a major NCAA campus. You can earn more in NIL money by staying there than a NHL ELC will pay you. Also, signing that ELC will commit you to playing in the least attractive Canadian market for 6 or 7 years, on a team that seems to be going nowhere soon. Or, mired in their AHL affiliate, because they think they can "win now". Add to that, that you might want to play in a city in your own country, closer to friends and family. My point. McGroarty owes the Jets nothing simply because they drafted him. It's a different dynamic than drafting kids out of junior that want to get the paychecks coming. Call it attitude. Arrogance. Whatever. How many of us would do the same thing with the options he has available? Draft at your peril. Not sure the whole McG issue has any specific issue with Winnipeg, as all reports seem to indicate it is about playing in the NHL right away in a top 9 role with powerplay time. Those demands didn't seem to change when Chevy found two different trading partners and since they were unable to offer those guarantees too, no deal could be made. Maybe those two places were "bad" places like the Peg and that was why he wasn't willing to alter his demands?ย But that's just speculation. I have no issue with the guy using whatever path is open to him, my issue is with the NHL as a league that doesn't have draft pick compensation for such scenarios (unlike other major sports).ย That way if someone decides to wait for early UFA to sign a contract, the team still gets equivalent compensation and both sides walk away happy. It's nonsense to put most of the negotiating power on one side. BTW...I doubt NCAA hockey will result in any huge payments. From what I've found in a quick search, it sounds it will be more likely to be freebies/swag than a lot of cash.ย Right now, one page has his value at $74,600. pstgm.com/portal/profile.cfm?publickey=B634A7AF-D0AF-C008-3416B5AB4534EDCA&FullName=Rutger-McGroarty&Influencer=Yes&Athlete=Yes&College=University-Of-Michigan&Sport=IceHockeyHowever, it also allows the kid to do something like the following link: opendorse.com/profile/rutger-mcgroartyWhat deals!!ย You can get a recorded video message from the guy for $10 or maybe you want him to post a message for you ($24) or get an autograph ($40).ย The best value would be the $43 appearance fee...maybe Chevy should use that option for training camp?ย lol For a comparison, Perfetti made $92,500 in signing bonuses by agreeing to his ELC right away. In the three seasons since being drafted, Cole has made very close to or over a million dollars each season with performance bonuses/AHL/NHL salaries combined.ย A much later draft pick like Lambert also had a signing bonus but spent the entire season in the AHL and ended up making $190,000 in his first season. Personally, I don't expect McG to be traded until the next trade deadline at the earliest and more likely at the next draft. Influencer money. That's social media income. There's all kinds of other income avenues. I have no idea what he could make, but 6 figures is what the media guys bounce around. Whatever. Let's just say he's doing alright financially to stay in college and he's comfortable there. I get your point. My point is you probably should stay away from these guys, draftwise. Given the current state of the franchise, I'd have no problem if Chevy gave in. Our team needs ballsy players. He's that, if anything.
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Post by shakinallover on Jul 19, 2024 20:46:32 GMT -6
McGroarty craves the spotlight. He may get a spotlight shinning on him in college but it's nowhere near what the NHL could provide him. Even after taxes he'll make more coin in the AHL than what he could scrap up on social media. His hold out stunt has gained him some notoriety but it will fade quickly. His best bet is to cash in now, sign with the Jets, prove he's worthy. If not he's a footnote at best.
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 20, 2024 8:04:25 GMT -6
Only the Bedardโs of the world are guaranteed spots and always are the worst teams. I think a few game in the AHL would wake this young lad up to reality.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 20, 2024 11:15:18 GMT -6
Only the Bedardโs of the world are guaranteed spots and always are the worst teams. I think a few game in the AHL would wake this young lad up to reality. If I was the Jets' owner, I would tell Chevy to pick his favourite between Appleton & Iafallo and move the other to open up another bottom six spot. Then I would have the team contact McGroarty to point out the following: - There are two "open" spots in Winnipeg's top six with Perfetti, Lambert, Niederreiter, and yourself battling for them in training camp. Yes, Fetti has the inside path to one of those, but the other is completely up for grabs.
- There are two "open" spots in the Jets' bottom six (assuming Nino doesn't get top 6 spot) with Barron, Gustafsson, Kupari, Anderson-Dolan, and yourself trying to secure a place.
While the team is unable to guarantee top 9 playing time in the NHL ( ask him how he would feel if a freshman at Michigan made the same demands as he is making...would he feel it was fair to his teammates?), I will offer you an ELC contract that pays a $500k bonus if you play less than 20 NHL games in the first year and a $1M bonus if you play more than 10 AHL games in your second season ( not really sure you can make these conditions, but can't see why not). That contract offer should show Winnipeg's belief that McGroarty will make the NHL fairly quickly ( i.e. for sure by the 2nd season) and when taken into consideration with the available spots open to win, it should be a no-brainer. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he should have no problem beating out Lambert & Nino for the top six spot and if that should fail the bottom six challengers are very beatable. If he still needs a nudge, tell him that a signed contract means the chance at getting a taste of the playoffs in his first professional season....that's something none of his friends in the NHL will come close to. Otherwise, the organization will wait patiently to move him to one of the league's worst teams like he wants ( the only ones that would guarantee him NHL time) and he can wait until his mid-to-late 20's to see the post-season. Not going to happen....but a little creativity could possibly thaw the impasse.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 20, 2024 14:52:46 GMT -6
Only the Bedardโs of the world are guaranteed spots and always are the worst teams. I think a few game in the AHL would wake this young lad up to reality. If I was the Jets' owner, I would tell Chevy to pick his favourite between Appleton & Iafallo and move the other to open up another bottom six spot. Then I would have the team contact McGroarty to point out the following: - There are two "open" spots in Winnipeg's top six with Perfetti, Lambert, Niederreiter, and yourself battling for them in training camp. Yes, Fetti has the inside path to one of those, but the other is completely up for grabs.
- There are two "open" spots in the Jets' bottom six (assuming Nino doesn't get top 6 spot) with Barron, Gustafsson, Kupari, Anderson-Dolan, and yourself trying to secure a place.
While the team is unable to guarantee top 9 playing time in the NHL ( ask him how he would feel if a freshman at Michigan made the same demands as he is making...would he feel it was fair to his teammates?), I will offer you an ELC contract that pays a $500k bonus if you play less than 20 NHL games in the first year and a $1M bonus if you play more than 10 AHL games in your second season ( not really sure you can make these conditions, but can't see why not). That contract offer should show Winnipeg's belief that McGroarty will make the NHL fairly quickly ( i.e. for sure by the 2nd season) and when taken into consideration with the available spots open to win, it should be a no-brainer. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he should have no problem beating out Lambert & Nino for the top six spot and if that should fail the bottom six challengers are very beatable. If he still needs a nudge, tell him that a signed contract means the chance at getting a taste of the playoffs in his first professional season....that's something none of his friends in the NHL will come close to. Otherwise, the organization will wait patiently to move him to one of the league's worst teams like he wants ( the only ones that would guarantee him NHL time) and he can wait until his mid-to-late 20's to see the post-season. Not going to happen....but a little creativity could possibly thaw the impasse. Love your thoughts๐. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 20, 2024 16:38:56 GMT -6
I am sure he has been told that if he signed and showed his worth he would make the roster. He appears to be afraid of the thought he is not NHL ready. The whole thing is very strange given other teams now have told him and his agent exactly what the Jets did.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 21, 2024 8:02:33 GMT -6
I am sure he has been told that if he signed and showed his worth he would make the roster. He appears to be afraid of the thought he is not NHL ready. The whole thing is very strange given other teams now have told him and his agent exactly what the Jets did. Maybe he will smarten up, it is a possibility. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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Post by shakinallover on Jul 22, 2024 13:51:29 GMT -6
I am sure he has been told that if he signed and showed his worth he would make the roster. He appears to be afraid of the thought he is not NHL ready. The whole thing is very strange given other teams now have told him and his agent exactly what the Jets did. Maybe he will smarten up, it is a possibility. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ His father has been around hockey as a player and coach. It surprises me that he hasn't set his son straight about how it all works. Even his agents, who make squat while he sits, should have sat him down and had "the talk".
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Post by sgtbarnes on Jul 22, 2024 21:06:30 GMT -6
We're all sitting here under the notion that he's getting bad advice and making poor decisions. There is the possibilty that he just doesn't want to play in Winnipeg and wasn't happy when the Jets drafted him.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 22, 2024 21:58:33 GMT -6
That could be....but if so, he also felt the same about two other NHL teams Winnipeg tried to trade him to, since his demands didn't change for them either. The only thing that we know is there are specific demands about NHL icetime from McGroarty's camp...anything else is speculation.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 23, 2024 5:51:42 GMT -6
Maybe he will smarten up, it is a possibility. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐ His father has been around hockey as a player and coach. It surprises me that he hasn't set his son straight about how it all works. Even his agents, who make squat while he sits, should have sat him down and had "the talk". Maybe they did, if so, he ignored everyone. Cheers, 2b9๐๐๐
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