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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 11, 2024 19:29:22 GMT -6
Players typically speak through their agents, so don't hold your breath on hearing directly from McGroarty until after the whole situation has resolved. Even then, it will be less than a full explanation and may even just a "it's time to move on" type of thing. The only thing that we might know that comes directly from him is that he liked a post about Winnipeg signing Fleury & Anderson-Dolan for some reason.
All the NHL needs to do is add something to the rules that gives franchises a replacement draft pick when one of their 1st round picks refuses to sign with them. This would only be for situations where the player refuses to accept a near maximum entry level contract with the team that drafted them. If they are traded prior to the player's right's expiring...the draft team gets no compensation and neither would the acquiring team if he refused to sign with them. If the draft team doesn't offer a contract...no compensation, so it isn't a help if you draft a dud in the 1st round. While the league will be tempted to put this pick at the end of the 1st round, the compensation should exactly match the draft position of the refusing player.
So to use McGroarty as an example with the new NHL rule, him refusing to sign with the Jets would give the team 2 options: Try to trade him to another team to get value right now OR hold his rights until August 2026, allowing him to become a UFA and receiving the #14 pick in the 2027 Entry Draft. A third option would be for the two sides to come to an agreement before the player's rights expire, which I think would occur more often than it does now in these situations.
That's mainly because while Winnipeg does hold McG's rights for another 2 years...the player's bargaining position greatly improves if he is still unsigned after next off-season since he would be only 1 season away from reaching UFA status at the young age of 22 and the Jets would get nothing if they continue to hold onto his rights. If they were at least guaranteed to get a decent consolation prize by waiting to the end of the right's period, the power balance would even out or tilt in favour of the NHL team.
Really they should also try to extend NHL team's rights to NCAA players until the age of 24, but I believe that would be harder to get by the NHLPA.
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Post by shakinallover on Jul 11, 2024 23:15:31 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them.
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Post by ekjet72 on Jul 12, 2024 9:20:04 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them. OK I admit I was wrong about this kid. You can look up my previous statements about the Jets blowing it with this kid but this is my mea culpa. He appears to be too arrogant for his current success in NHL hockey, which is zero. A few years of success well, then then he's earned his swagger but now he's a snot nosed eager lad who still in his diapers. I wonder what his exit ramp from his demands will look like in the future.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 12, 2024 10:00:36 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them. OK I admit I was wrong about this kid. You can look up my previous statements about the Jets blowing it with this kid but this is my mea culpa. He appears to be too arrogant for his current success in NHL hockey, which is zero. A few years of success well, then then he's earned his swagger but now he's a snot nosed eager lad who still in his diapers. I wonder what his exit ramp from his demands will look like in the future. And I was wrong that he was just using the guaranteed NHL spot as a way to get out of Winnipeg. I did feel his guaranteed NHL demands were too much with his resume, so am somewhat glad to see that at least some of the media/hockey people see it the same way. Onto another McGroarty rumour... A Slovak newspaper is reporting that the Canadiens offered Mesar, Barron or Harris, and a 1st round pick in 2025 ( not MTL's, but one of CGY or FLA's) for McGroarty. Supposedly Winnipeg has rejected the offer. Mesar is a late 1st round pick (25th) with talent, but a small frame ( 5'10") & possibly a bit of an attitude problem ( blamed not having a great season on his teammates). He scored 52 pts in 45 OHL games and 9 pts in 5 WJC games. Harris ( 3rd round pick) is a 24 LHD that is built much like Heinola, so I don't think he would be a consideration, but Barron is a 22 yr old 6'2" 200 lb RD that was also drafted late in the 1st ( 25th). As to the 1st round pick...I am guessing that Calgary is going to suck this season so I doubt the Habs would part with it, so it would probably end up as being a later 1st rounder ( unless you feel the defending Champs will take a huge step back). Probably one of the better offers I've seen so far, but the Jets don't need another small talented forward, especially one with an alleged attitude problem.
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Post by shakinallover on Jul 12, 2024 10:44:08 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them. OK I admit I was wrong about this kid. You can look up my previous statements about the Jets blowing it with this kid but this is my mea culpa. He appears to be too arrogant for his current success in NHL hockey, which is zero. A few years of success well, then then he's earned his swagger but now he's a snot nosed eager lad who still in his diapers. I wonder what his exit ramp from his demands will look like in the future. We were all wrong. Something at or around the world juniors changed him into an arrogant p$@#k. Klutch sports, his representatives, likely filled his head with BS.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 12, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them. OK I admit I was wrong about this kid. You can look up my previous statements about the Jets blowing it with this kid but this is my mea culpa. He appears to be too arrogant for his current success in NHL hockey, which is zero. A few years of success well, then then he's earned his swagger but now he's a snot nosed eager lad who still in his diapers. I wonder what his exit ramp from his demands will look like in the future. Yep, a very unfortunate situation, too bad and very sad. He and his camp have painted himself/McG into a corner. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 12, 2024 19:12:22 GMT -6
Jets related Fact of the Day:
In the salary cap era of the NHL, the Winnipeg Jets franchise has the 15th most wins (741). That is 99 wins behind the top team, Boston Bruins (840), but 102 wins ahead of the lowest team, Arizona Coyotes (639).
Here's the entire list (only 29 teams played equal games):
Most wins in the cap era: 840 β Boston Bruins 828 β Pittsburgh Penguins 808 β Washington Capitals 806 β New York Rangers 803 β Nashville Predators 799 β Tampa Bay Lightning 782 β Dallas Stars 774 β Minnesota Wild 770 β St. Louis Blues 764 β Colorado Avalanche 761 β San Jose Sharks 758 β Carolina Hurricanes 753 β Vancouver Canucks 749 β Calgary Flames 741 β Winnipeg Jets 738 β Detroit Red Wings 733 β Anaheim Ducks 732 β Toronto Maple Leafs 728 β Los Angeles Kings 719 β Florida Panthers 717 β New Jersey Devils 713 β Chicago Blackhawks 707 β MontrΓ©al Canadiens 705 β Philadelphia Flyers 697 β Ottawa Senators 694 β New York Islanders 677 β Edmonton Oilers 663 β Columbus Blue Jackets 661 β Buffalo Sabres 639 β Arizona Coyotes
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 13, 2024 9:00:43 GMT -6
Jets related Fact of the Day:In the salary cap era of the NHL, the Winnipeg Jets franchise has the 15th most wins (741). That is 99 wins behind the top team, Boston Bruins (840), but 102 wins ahead of the lowest team, Arizona Coyotes (639). Here's the entire list ( only 29 teams played equal games): Most wins in the cap era:840 β Boston Bruins 828 β Pittsburgh Penguins 808 β Washington Capitals 806 β New York Rangers 803 β Nashville Predators 799 β Tampa Bay Lightning 782 β Dallas Stars 774 β Minnesota Wild 770 β St. Louis Blues 764 β Colorado Avalanche 761 β San Jose Sharks 758 β Carolina Hurricanes 753 β Vancouver Canucks 749 β Calgary Flames 741 β Winnipeg Jets 738 β Detroit Red Wings 733 β Anaheim Ducks 732 β Toronto Maple Leafs 728 β Los Angeles Kings 719 β Florida Panthers 717 β New Jersey Devils 713 β Chicago Blackhawks 707 β MontrΓ©al Canadiens 705 β Philadelphia Flyers 697 β Ottawa Senators 694 β New York Islanders 677 β Edmonton Oilers 663 β Columbus Blue Jackets 661 β Buffalo Sabres 639 β Arizona Coyotes Interesting, thanks for this. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 14, 2024 10:27:27 GMT -6
A fantastic article by Garret Hohl on his The Five Hohl website.
thefivehohl.substack.com/p/does-past-playoff-performance-really
Tons of great information in there about the Jets, including some surprises in the analytical data that he looked at. Some things that jumped out in the various charts/graphs were:
- Kyle Connor, Nikolaj Ehlers, & Tyler Toffoli were statistically Winnipeg's best forwards in the recent disastrous post-season, while Vladislav Namestnikov & Alex Iafallo were the worst.
- Colin Miller (1 game), Josh Morrissey, & Brenden Dillon were statistically the Jets' best defensemen in the past playoffs, while Dylan Samberg & Neal Pionk were pretty bad but Logan Stanley was down-right awful (weighted shots were -5 for the first two, but Big Stan was -12.4!!).
- Career post-season numbers for Winnipeg forwards was not what I expected, with Connor, Ehlers, Nino Niederreiter, & Mark Scheifele leading the way statistically (Cole Perfetti has been pretty bad over his short career). Nate Schmidt, Miller, & Morrissey led the way for defenders.
He also goes on to show some of current Canes' GM Eric Tlusky's analytical work that appears to indicate that there is no statistical difference overall when you compare NHL players' expected playoff performance (based on reg season stats) and their actual playoff performances. While there were some outliers that either performed better or worse, there weren't enough of them to impact the data.
It is a long data filled article but he explains things very well so it is easy to follow along with his words and graphics. If you have the time, I certainly suggest you give it a read.
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 14, 2024 10:42:41 GMT -6
A fantastic article by Garret Hohl on his The Five Hohl website.
thefivehohl.substack.com/p/does-past-playoff-performance-really
Tons of great information in there about the Jets, including some surprises in the analytical data that he looked at. Some things that jumped out in the various charts/graphs were:
- Kyle Connor, Nikolaj Ehlers, & Tyler Toffoli were statistically Winnipeg's best forwards in the recent disastrous post-season, while Vladislav Namestnikov & Alex Iafallo were the worst.
- Colin Miller (1 game), Josh Morrissey, & Brenden Dillon were statistically the Jets' best defensemen in the past playoffs, while Dylan Samberg & Neal Pionk were pretty bad but Logan Stanley was down-right awful (weighted shots were -5 for the first two, but Big Stan was -12.4!!).
- Career post-season numbers for Winnipeg forwards was not what I expected, with Connor, Ehlers, Nino Niederreiter, & Mark Scheifele leading the way statistically (Cole Perfetti has been pretty bad over his short career). Nate Schmidt, Miller, & Morrissey led the way for defenders.
He also goes on to show some of current Canes' GM Eric Tlusky's analytical work that appears to indicate that there is no statistical difference overall when you compare NHL players' expected playoff performance (based on reg season stats) and their actual playoff performances. While there were some outliers that either performed better or worse, there weren't enough of them to impact the data.
It is a long data filled article but he explains things very well so it is easy to follow along with his words and graphics. If you have the time, I certainly suggest you give it a read. Thanks for the link, great article by Hohl. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by honeybadger on Jul 14, 2024 14:47:00 GMT -6
Bottom line now we have a Skeltal crew on defense especially if injury hits? Great info presented on the website you refer too? Cheers?
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Post by 2b9 on Jul 15, 2024 8:21:53 GMT -6
Bottom line now we have a Skeltal crew on defense especially if injury hits? Great info presented on the website you refer too? Cheers? Always great information from bigoljetairliner/BOJA. Cheers, 2b9πππ
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Post by Tracker on Jul 15, 2024 14:46:44 GMT -6
As much as I would like to lay blame with his agent or possibly his parents I do believe he is solely responsible for his arrogance. His actions at the world juniors were a precursor to what we're experiencing now. Unfortunately there seems to be a trend with more young players to feel entitled and owed a payday. Too bad you can't trade 'em to the KHL and see where that arrogance gets them. OK I admit I was wrong about this kid. You can look up my previous statements about the Jets blowing it with this kid but this is my mea culpa. He appears to be too arrogant for his current success in NHL hockey, which is zero. A few years of success well, then then he's earned his swagger but now he's a snot nosed eager lad who still in his diapers. I wonder what his exit ramp from his demands will look like in the future. You can get away with arrogance in pro sports if you can deliver. Other than that, you're just another loudmouth jerk who poisons the locker room.
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Post by bigoljetairliner on Jul 15, 2024 15:58:17 GMT -6
Ville Heinola signed a 2 yr deal ($800k/yr) extension with the Jets.
Interestingly, the Finn will be paid more (25k) in the AHL than he would in the NHL in the 2nd year of the deal, but will earn 25K less in the minors in the upcoming season.
Perfetti & Lundmark left to sign (RFAs).
$7,376,309 to spend.
***note: PuckPedia now has Heinola's contract as a standard one way deal that pays him $775k this season and $825k next season, whether he wears a Moose or Jets jersey.**
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Post by PeakyBlinders on Jul 15, 2024 20:49:04 GMT -6
Ville Heinola signed a 2 yr deal ($800k/yr) extension with the Jets. Interestingly, the Finn will be paid more (25k) in the AHL than he would in the NHL in the 2nd year of the deal, but will earn 25K less in the minors in the upcoming season. Perfetti & Lundmark left to sign (RFAs).Β $7,376,309 to spend. ***note: PuckPedia now has Heinola's contract as a standard one way deal that pays him $775k this season and $825k next season, whether he wears a Moose or Jets jersey.**He should never see the AHL again.
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