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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 7, 2020 16:06:09 GMT -6
^ we dont know the long term affects and we cant just shut everything down out of fear. It's like people forget how we build an immune system
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Post by lovethejets on Dec 7, 2020 16:16:03 GMT -6
That is not a statement on maintaining distance, wearing a mask (to be fair though there is some debate and has been one since March on their efficacy) and washing your hands. But ia full lockdown is not a binary call either. There are just too many variables to consider. Can we stay open, be sensible and protect the vulnerable? The risks of not doing that may just be too high and short sighted to consider the longer term ramifications of what we are currently doing. Sadly 90% of the people that are dying are over 70 and any others with underlying conditions. They are not more expendable than the rest, but are they less expendable either? Are the people we are causing long term psychological, physical and monetary damage to more expendable than the aged whose life span was already limited to 2 years or less in any event? That is up to each person to answer but my guess is that someone who has a loved one that suffers from mental illness exacerbated by this, contracts cancer that goes unchecked and dies or goes bankrupt will have a different answer than someone who loses an elderly parent a year earlier than expected to Covid.I find it just incredible that people are prepared to comment, without bothering to do research about the consequences of lifting restrictions, with large COVID outbreaks. 1. The countries with the lowest numbers of COVID are performing better economically than countries with high rates of COVID. Australia, New Zealand, and Taiwan are three countries than have gotten their economies back on track, due to their aggressive health measures. If you want people to starve, overrun our health care system, and watch at least 10% of the workforce go on permanent disability, since Long COVID will prevent them from doing their job. 2. Mental health will be more adversely affected by higher rates of COVID. Some of the main symptoms of Long COVID are depression, anxiety, memory loss. It's a no-win situation with mental health, but we can reduce the incidence of mental health issues, by decreasing our COVID rates. However, we must be prepared to stick with restrictions that are in place, most likely until the end of February when COVID rates are below 30 cases per day. www.statnews.com/2020/08/12/after-covid19-mental-neurological-effects-smolder/WOW...selective again...read all the research and understand it it first 1. Low Covid numbers are not always reflective of economic impact. sweden had the lowest Covid numbers through the summer yet their GDP suffered the same fate as Europe. 2. When we all shut down in April we didn't know much about the disease, who it affects and who are the most vunerable. We know that now. The CDC says there is very little risk of spread in schools so they should stay open as the damage to kids is WAAAY more from staying ta home than it is from Covid. The CDC's opinion not mine. 3.Australia's unemployment rate was 7.5% and fell to 6.9% today. In the US it hit 14.7% in April and has fallen back to 6.7%. Who is doing better now? 4. In the US the S&P 500 is at all time high. In Australia the ASX has not. Whose companies are in better shape? DOH. We could get into a whole discussion of the composition of the ASX being banks and materials versus the US having a large component in technology but that is for another time. 5. Read the article you posted. It says "SOME of them say they can't think". People with many various infections that end up in an ICU may well suffer loss of oxygen issues especially those on ventilators. That is actually common but the number of people that have to go on ventilators fortunately is not. The WHO says "For some people, some symptoms may linger or recur for weeks or months following initial recovery..." some means few...the numbers suffering other issues due to Covid lockdowns number in the many millions...not even a comparison numbers wise. To be sure there are unknown effects from this. But we know for sure there will be known effects including mental and physical illness from the lockdowns. Do your research beyond 1 writer's opinion in an article and don't extrapolate the some or few onto so many and you will have a more balanced view.
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 16:36:15 GMT -6
^ we dont know the long term affects and we cant just shut everything down out of fear. It's like people forget how we build an immune system We already are learning about the long term effects of COVID. Have you bothered to do ANY research on this virus? www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351BTW, restrictions were worse in 1918-20 in Canada. Back then, people would help each other get through the pandemic, instead of whining like spoiled children. Then again, 100 years ago, the quality of life was not as great, and people fought wars, and often came to Canada with nothing. The people complaining about COVID restrictions are acting selfish and entitled. Stop thinking about yourself, and help the community for christ sakes.
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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 7, 2020 16:38:56 GMT -6
^ whining like children and trying to stand up for our rights are totally the same thing, you're right.
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 16:45:49 GMT -6
1. Low Covid numbers are not always reflective of economic impact. sweden had the lowest Covid numbers through the summer yet their GDP suffered the same fate as Europe. Incorrect. Sweden had the highest COVID numbers of all Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Norway, Finland) by far. It also failed to help their economy, and ultimately did more damage to their GDP at the end, due to the strain on health care. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89017I did not address any other points, considering how inaccurate your Swedish example was.
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 16:49:39 GMT -6
^ whining like children and trying to stand up for our rights are totally the same thing, you're right. If you really wanted to, you could "stand up for your rights" by walking into a Walmart naked, or jerk off in a public park full of children. Contrary to your false narrative, people are not allowed to do as they please.
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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 7, 2020 17:01:09 GMT -6
^ great comparison man well thought out 🙄
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 17:07:11 GMT -6
^ great comparison man well thought out 🙄 It's technically worse to circumvent public health orders. If you go into a store naked, you are technically not harming anyone. If one happens to be asymptomatic, and refuses to wear a mask, and socially distance, and spreads COVID to others, they can infect others, perhaps fatally depending on what kind of immune system they have. Why should we suffer, due to you not caring about anyone else but yourself?
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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 7, 2020 17:12:08 GMT -6
So we should live in fear and become hermits because of a maybe? That's no way to live in the event of a what if.
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 17:15:33 GMT -6
So we should live in fear and become hermits because of a maybe? That's no way to live in the event of a what if. Just wear a damn mask, and social distance yourself from others if you care about people. I'm tired of selfish morons that have never had to work in hospitals, or lose loved ones flaunt public health orders, in the name of their "rights." Try visiting a COVID ward of a hospital, and tell me how "important" your rights are.
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Post by lovethejets on Dec 7, 2020 17:18:30 GMT -6
^ whining like children and trying to stand up for our rights are totally the same thing, you're right. If you really wanted to, you could "stand up for your rights" by walking into a Walmart naked, or jerk off in a public park full of children. WOW...well i guess i give up on any discussions with this fellow
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Post by lovethejets on Dec 7, 2020 17:20:57 GMT -6
1. Low Covid numbers are not always reflective of economic impact. sweden had the lowest Covid numbers through the summer yet their GDP suffered the same fate as Europe. Incorrect. Sweden had the highest COVID numbers of all Scandinavian countries (Denmark, Norway, Finland) by far. It also failed to help their economy, and ultimately did more damage to their GDP at the end, due to the strain on health care. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89017I did not address any other points, considering how inaccurate your Swedish example was. thats because you can't...i don't blame you for backing out of this sensible conversation though
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Post by wolfmannick on Dec 7, 2020 17:38:07 GMT -6
So we should live in fear and become hermits because of a maybe? That's no way to live in the event of a what if. Just wear a damn mask, and social distance yourself from others if you care about people. I'm tired of selfish morons that have never had to work in hospitals, or lose loved ones flaunt public health orders, in the name of their "rights." Try visiting a COVID ward of a hospital, and tell me how "important" your rights are. So go get your shot next week and stop sticking your nose in other peoples buisiness. Free country after all
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Post by iceland2018 on Dec 7, 2020 17:42:50 GMT -6
Just wear a damn mask, and social distance yourself from others if you care about people. I'm tired of selfish morons that have never had to work in hospitals, or lose loved ones flaunt public health orders, in the name of their "rights." Try visiting a COVID ward of a hospital, and tell me how "important" your rights are. So go get your shot next week and stop sticking your nose in other peoples buisiness. Free country after all Most of us are really getting sick of the "our rights are being violated" crowd. If it were up to me, I would support forced vaccinations. God forbid, if there ever was another World War. You would be the type of person that would complain of your rights being violated, and refuse to fight, if Canada was ever attacked. If it were up to me, I would not "stick my nose in your business." I would hold you down, and restrain you, while sticking a vaccination shot in your body. I would tase you with a cattle prod upon resistance, if it were legal to do so.
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Post by Tracker on Dec 7, 2020 18:15:17 GMT -6
With widespread distribution of viable vaccines expected in the first two weeks of 2021, it ought to make a start of the new season possible at the end of January. That said, the chaotic situation in the US makes the large-scale vaccination there uncertain at best. The situation in Canada ought to be a lot better and thus make the start of the hockey season much more possible.
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