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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 11, 2021 18:57:23 GMT -6
So much for human rights. I still wont get that poison in my body Boys look at the header. Take your nonsense to a FB group near and dear to your paranoia. Or just ignore us and keep drinking the kool aid like the good little sheep tou are
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 11, 2021 20:37:40 GMT -6
Boys look at the header. Take your nonsense to a FB group near and dear to your paranoia. Or just ignore us and keep drinking the kool aid like the good little sheep tou are OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you?
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Post by Tommy on Aug 11, 2021 20:43:06 GMT -6
Or just ignore us and keep drinking the kool aid like the good little sheep tou are OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you? Not True!
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 11, 2021 20:55:36 GMT -6
OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you? Not True! That is the response? Really? Not True? Really? What is it that you think is true then?
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 11, 2021 21:54:51 GMT -6
Or just ignore us and keep drinking the kool aid like the good little sheep tou are OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you? 98% survival rate across the board without vaccine. Human rights violation forcing a medical prcedure on people
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Post by Tim on Aug 12, 2021 5:05:48 GMT -6
OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you? 98% survival rate across the board without vaccine. Human rights violation forcing a medical prcedure on people Funny how they keep telling you to follow the science and the science say that 98% is correct! Statistics says the world population grew last year! Statistics say the death rate in Manitoba and Canada has not change much in the last 5 years.....Statistics all say death rates from cancer, heart and stroke, and diabetes are all down in Canada in the last couple years..... All I know is I have a daughter-in-law who is a RN and as she said she has only seen people who died from Covid 19 who were already dyeing or were in the condition that if any other normal flew came around it could take them out, but they never kept a public scoreboard for that. Not saying that any perfectly healthy people have not died from covid because that is not true, but it is also true that yearly perfectly heath people died from the regular flew, again no public scoreboard for that. Bottom line this whole thing has been handled poorly around the world where recourses should have been put towards the vulnerable and the rest of the people should have gotten on with life.
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Post by Tim on Aug 12, 2021 5:37:00 GMT -6
Pierre Kory is a respected doctor and has resigned over the suppression of his practices with covid 19, I will attach a video if anyone would like to watch information that could save a persons life. This is not some Facebook nut spewing B.S. this is a real doctor who has hands on experience with the virous, its long but informative.
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Post by ekjet72 on Aug 12, 2021 6:37:58 GMT -6
Look, this a hockey forum and while Corona "touches" hockey it is not a COVID and a aggrieved PERCIEVED HUMAN RIGHTS forum. Most of the above belongs elsewhere to discuss in your little echo chamber online elsewhere, rather than here. I am disappointed it's been allowed to stay on actually. So sayonara muchachos!
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 12, 2021 6:57:11 GMT -6
OMG are you kidding me?...96% of people in hospital from Covid are unvaccinated....what does that tell you? 98% survival rate across the board without vaccine. Human rights violation forcing a medical prcedure on people I say if people don't take the vaccine and if you end up in the hospital, you pay the health care bill. 96% of people that are in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated. Why should these morons cost the tax payers at large? Why should these selfish few cause elective surgery delays (and sadly some emergency surgery delays as well)? Let them pay for their own health care costs if they end up in the hospital and see if they still refuse the vaccine. I say the vaccine should not only be a condition to get into a venue, a plane or a hotel but also a condition of employment.
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Post by Tim on Aug 12, 2021 8:41:18 GMT -6
98% survival rate across the board without vaccine. Human rights violation forcing a medical prcedure on people I say if people don't take the vaccine and if you end up in the hospital, you pay the health care bill. 96% of people that are in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated. Why should these morons cost the tax payers at large? Why should these selfish few cause elective surgery delays (and sadly some emergency surgery delays as well)? Let them pay for their own health care costs if they end up in the hospital and see if they still refuse the vaccine. I say the vaccine should not only be a condition to get into a venue, a plane or a hotel but also a condition of employment. My son has ITP, he spoke to the Hematologist at Cancer Care if he should get the vaccine and what studies are available for someone with such a rare dieses since one of the side effects can lower your platelet count. Here's the answer there are no studies but you should be ok but no guarantees! So because of that you feel he shouldn't be employable, he shouldn't be aloud to travel and never attend a sporting event because he is not willing to take that risk of he should be ok...... Give your head a shake!
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 12, 2021 9:03:26 GMT -6
I say if people don't take the vaccine and if you end up in the hospital, you pay the health care bill. 96% of people that are in the hospital with Covid are unvaccinated. Why should these morons cost the tax payers at large? Why should these selfish few cause elective surgery delays (and sadly some emergency surgery delays as well)? Let them pay for their own health care costs if they end up in the hospital and see if they still refuse the vaccine. I say the vaccine should not only be a condition to get into a venue, a plane or a hotel but also a condition of employment. My son has ITP, he spoke to the Hematologist at Cancer Care if he should get the vaccine and what studies are available for someone with such a rare dieses since one of the side effects can lower your platelet count. Here's the answer there are no studies but you should be ok but no guarantees! So because of that you feel he shouldn't be employable, he shouldn't be aloud to travel and never attend a sporting event because he is not willing to take that risk of he should be ok...... Give your head a shake! Tim, there MUST be exceptions to every rule. In that light IF someone cannot take the vaccine they should be exempt from the rules we are discussing. People speeding to get an ill person to a hospital should be exempt from the ticket. That is how we rationally make and abide by rules. This is no different. People who CHOOSE to not get a vaccine should be accountable for those actions. Your son is a very rare case and i hope he is well.
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Post by Tim on Aug 12, 2021 9:13:42 GMT -6
My son has ITP, he spoke to the Hematologist at Cancer Care if he should get the vaccine and what studies are available for someone with such a rare dieses since one of the side effects can lower your platelet count. Here's the answer there are no studies but you should be ok but no guarantees! So because of that you feel he shouldn't be employable, he shouldn't be aloud to travel and never attend a sporting event because he is not willing to take that risk of he should be ok...... Give your head a shake! Tim, there MUST be exceptions to every rule. In that light IF someone cannot take the vaccine they should be exempt from the rules we are discussing. People speeding to get an ill person to a hospital should be exempt from the ticket. That is how we rationally make and abide by rules. This is no different. People who CHOOSE to not get a vaccine should be accountable for those actions. Your son is a very rare case and i hope he is well. They are not saying he can't take it, they are saying the risk of dying from covid is higher then his platelet count dropping again and dying from the shot but there are no studies, they will not give him a exemption, he has to roll the dice himself, there is no recourse if it ends up killing him..... He is not the only person in this position!
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 12, 2021 9:19:58 GMT -6
There is no black and white for every case. I am not an expert on how this would or should be be ruled. The point is 99% of the people choosing not to take the vaccine have no proven health risk to doing so. THOSE cases are easy and not open for debate. There should be a panel with medical experience to arbitrate decisions that are as rare as your son's case. I was unaware that the mRNA platform vaccines lowered the platelet count like the viral vector platforms do (AstraZeneca's).
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Post by Tim on Aug 12, 2021 9:25:40 GMT -6
There is no black and white for every case. I am not an expert on how this would or should be be ruled. The point is 99% of the people choosing not to take the vaccine have no proven health risk to doing so. THOSE cases are easy and not open for debate. There should be a panel with medical experience to arbitrate decisions that are as rare as your son's case. I was unaware that the mRNA platform vaccines lowered the platelet count like the viral vector platforms do (AstraZeneca's). its a scary decision, it could have killed him back then and now it seems to be under control, do you take that risk of the unknown when you have a 98% survival rate with Covid?
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Post by lovethejets on Aug 12, 2021 9:45:50 GMT -6
There is no black and white for every case. I am not an expert on how this would or should be be ruled. The point is 99% of the people choosing not to take the vaccine have no proven health risk to doing so. THOSE cases are easy and not open for debate. There should be a panel with medical experience to arbitrate decisions that are as rare as your son's case. I was unaware that the mRNA platform vaccines lowered the platelet count like the viral vector platforms do (AstraZeneca's). its a scary decision, it could have killed him back then and now it seems to be under control, do you take that risk of the unknown when you have a 98% survival rate with Covid? Yes. that is each person's decision in the very very rare event like your son's. in the case of astrazeneca people were taking the vaccine even after there was a small risk of blood clotting because the benefit for them, their loved ones and society at large for that matter far outweighed the risk. i was one of them as a 56 year old with a family history of heart disease but i took astra anyway as i considered the risk so low compared to the benefit. 96% of the people in hospital are not vaccinated and i am sure 99.9% of those simply chose not to get the vaccine that comes with such a small risk it is inconsequential and people awaiting heart surgery were delayed as a consequence. shame on those that put others at risk and wasting all taxpayers dollars on unnecessary healthcare costs. I am sure you can see the obvious difference between your very very rare son's case and that of a person who chooses to not get a vaccine.
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