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Post by jetsman1982 on Oct 7, 2011 11:40:39 GMT -6
i dont know why you guys are geting your hopes up Chipman dose not want nothing to do with the old franchise , this team we got has absolutely nothing to do with the Coyotes nore the team that left hear in 1996 and ever will , when i look at the records its not so hot , the only good part from that team was in the WHA days but when they came to the NHL the did nothing maybe a few records where maid big deal no Cups where won maid it to the playoffs two times and dont mind me adding they got by into the playoffs the last time by a game witch they did not even get to the second round , and like one guy at the forks said last night Due to bad owner ship from last team witch cost the team to head south witch was a very sad day for all fans of hockey . Folks we got a way better team hear we dont need anything from the old franchise but the memories you guys have when you where kids and stuff , but the stats can stay in Glendale . I love my new team they Rock with a capital R and no one will tell me different.
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Post by Dcmac on Oct 7, 2011 12:20:49 GMT -6
i dont know why you guys are geting your hopes up Chipman dose not want nothing to do with the old franchise , this team we got has absolutely nothing to do with the Coyotes nore the team that left hear in 1996 and ever will , when i look at the records its not so hot , the only good part from that team was in the WHA days but when they came to the NHL the did nothing maybe a few records where maid big deal no Cups where won maid it to the playoffs two times and dont mind me adding they got by into the playoffs the last time by a game witch they did not even get to the second round , and like one guy at the forks said last night Due to bad owner ship from last team witch cost the team to head south witch was a very sad day for all fans of hockey . Folks we got a way better team hear we dont need anything from the old franchise but the memories you guys have when you where kids and stuff , but the stats can stay in Glendale . I love my new team they Rock with a capital R and no one will tell me different. Chipman's big issue with naming the team the Jets was that he wouldn't own the history. True North now owns the white out and the old logos. It's clear he realizes what it means to the community.
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Post by Big Buff on Oct 7, 2011 12:34:54 GMT -6
Plus Calgary doesn't really tout former Atlanta players from their history (not that they had a ton to brag about, plus being a Canadian team with fans, they didn't need to whore their old history to get people in the door) The same can be said about the Atlanta team we inherited. Its not like Winnipeg is whoring their old history either. See the point I just made about Canadian teams Winnipeg doesn't need to flaunt the Atlanta history to get people in the door
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Post by newjets on Oct 7, 2011 12:44:16 GMT -6
i dont know why you guys are geting your hopes up Chipman dose not want nothing to do with the old franchise , this team we got has absolutely nothing to do with the Coyotes nore the team that left hear in 1996 and ever will , when i look at the records its not so hot , the only good part from that team was in the WHA days but when they came to the NHL the did nothing maybe a few records where maid big deal no Cups where won maid it to the playoffs two times and dont mind me adding they got by into the playoffs the last time by a game witch they did not even get to the second round , and like one guy at the forks said last night Due to bad owner ship from last team witch cost the team to head south witch was a very sad day for all fans of hockey . Folks we got a way better team hear we dont need anything from the old franchise but the memories you guys have when you where kids and stuff , but the stats can stay in Glendale . I love my new team they Rock with a capital R and no one will tell me different. LOL@ this post. So, they want nothing to do with the old franchise but giving their new franchise the same name and even securing the rights to the old logos.......WTF are you saying? Lol.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 7, 2011 12:51:02 GMT -6
i dont know why you guys are geting your hopes up Chipman dose not want nothing to do with the old franchise , this team we got has absolutely nothing to do with the Coyotes nore the team that left hear in 1996 and ever will , when i look at the records its not so hot , the only good part from that team was in the WHA days but when they came to the NHL the did nothing maybe a few records where maid big deal no Cups where won maid it to the playoffs two times and dont mind me adding they got by into the playoffs the last time by a game witch they did not even get to the second round , and like one guy at the forks said last night Due to bad owner ship from last team witch cost the team to head south witch was a very sad day for all fans of hockey . Folks we got a way better team hear we dont need anything from the old franchise but the memories you guys have when you where kids and stuff , but the stats can stay in Glendale . I love my new team they Rock with a capital R and no one will tell me different. LOL@ this post. So, they want nothing to do with the old franchise but giving their new franchise the same name and even securing the rights to the old logos.......WTF are you saying? Lol. Some people (though less and less as each day goes on I find) have a strange thought that loving the old Jets, some how takes away from loving the new Jets. When the "name debate" was raging I found that this was quite prevalent. Ever since the name was announced as Jets I thought most people had realized you could love both though!
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Post by NHLWinnipeg on Oct 7, 2011 12:51:18 GMT -6
I think we will get the history back at some point...I've always thought it would be up to Chipman as I can't see the NHL or Coyotes having a real problem with it...I'm guessing Chipman could have changed his mind since the Jets name was adopted again...the Jets history means nothing to PHX, but a lot to Winnipeg...
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Post by gobombersgo on Oct 7, 2011 12:59:40 GMT -6
i dont know why you guys are geting your hopes up Chipman dose not want nothing to do with the old franchise , this team we got has absolutely nothing to do with the Coyotes nore the team that left hear in 1996 and ever will , when i look at the records its not so hot , the only good part from that team was in the WHA days but when they came to the NHL the did nothing maybe a few records where maid big deal no Cups where won maid it to the playoffs two times and dont mind me adding they got by into the playoffs the last time by a game witch they did not even get to the second round , and like one guy at the forks said last night Due to bad owner ship from last team witch cost the team to head south witch was a very sad day for all fans of hockey . Folks we got a way better team hear we dont need anything from the old franchise but the memories you guys have when you where kids and stuff , but the stats can stay in Glendale . I love my new team they Rock with a capital R and no one will tell me different. You have no clue what you are talking about!
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Post by newjets on Oct 7, 2011 13:03:14 GMT -6
I think we will get the history back at some point...I've always thought it would be up to Chipman as I can't see the NHL or Coyotes having a real problem with it...I'm guessing Chipman could have changed his mind since the Jets name was adopted again...the Jets history means nothing to PHX, but a lot to Winnipeg... Exactly. Which is why the History section, as I described in my first post, was removed from the Coyotes website. Which is why the Coyotes are celebrating 15 seasons of Phx Coyote hockey this year --- not taking into account the original Wpg Jet years. The Winnipeg Jets are the Winnipeg Jets - past, present and future. Time for everyone to accept our history and heritage and be proud of it.
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Post by jetsorbust on Oct 7, 2011 13:06:32 GMT -6
I think we will get the history back at some point...I've always thought it would be up to Chipman as I can't see the NHL or Coyotes having a real problem with it...I'm guessing Chipman could have changed his mind since the Jets name was adopted again...the Jets history means nothing to PHX, but a lot to Winnipeg... Exactly. Which is why the History section, as I described in my first post, was removed from the Coyotes website. Which is why the Coyotes are celebrating 15 seasons of Phx Coyote hockey this year --- not taking into account the original Wpg Jet years. The Winnipeg Jets are the Winnipeg Jets - past, present and future. Time for everyone to accept our history and heritage and be proud of it. I definitely agree it's our history and I can't see why anyone wouldn't be proud of it. And I hope we get our history back (officially) but I'm not convinced it will happen right away. I'd like to be wrong though. Regarding the fact that the Coyotes are advertising and celebrating "15 years"... didn't they also celebrate 10 years in the desert? If memory serves me they did, so nothing has really changed. Again, I'd love to be wrong though and to get our stats/history back officially. EDIT - www.sportslogos.net/logo.php?id=r7vhi01g3ma43echcfc0Yeah they did celebrate 10 years. I remember being sad that it had been 10 years! Anyways, I'm not saying it won't happen or even that it won't happen on Saturday Oct 15th as we're all hoping, but I don't think the fact that they are celebrating 15 years is a sign.
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Post by newjets on Oct 7, 2011 13:12:46 GMT -6
Exactly. Which is why the History section, as I described in my first post, was removed from the Coyotes website. Which is why the Coyotes are celebrating 15 seasons of Phx Coyote hockey this year --- not taking into account the original Wpg Jet years. The Winnipeg Jets are the Winnipeg Jets - past, present and future. Time for everyone to accept our history and heritage and be proud of it. I definitely agree it's our history and I can't see why anyone wouldn't be proud of it. And I hope we get our history back (officially) but I'm not convinced it will happen right away. I'd like to be wrong though. Regarding the fact that the Coyotes are advertising and celebrating "15 years"... didn't they also celebrate 10 years in the desert? If memory serves me they did, so nothing has really changed. Again, I'd love to be wrong though and to get our stats/history back officially. I think the most glaring thing is the History write-up removal from their website. The one that went through the years of the franchise that included some Jet-history worthy pics. That is all gone from there now.
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Post by LTZ on Oct 7, 2011 13:30:05 GMT -6
This has been rumored for quite some time now. I fully expect it to happen as Mr. Chipman has always said if used the Jets name he would want the history as well. Chipper and Co. pretty much own everything else -- name, old logos, etc -- how do they get back recorded player history? If they do, what happens to Thrashers statistical history? I suppose it can lay dorment -- removed completely. Like say if a team folded, their stats just don't continue. Coyotes can retro-start their statistical history from 1996-97 - onward. As if to say they were an expansion team. Can we 'attach' previous Jets stats to our new team? Like continuing from where we left off -- 1995-96 and then 2011-12? Who knows. This is what happened in the NFL when the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore. The Ravens were considered an expansion team with the Cleveland Browns franchise and all stats etc put "on-hold" for a few years until they were "reactivated". Don't see why it couldn't work for us here.
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Post by newjets on Oct 7, 2011 13:35:43 GMT -6
Chipper and Co. pretty much own everything else -- name, old logos, etc -- how do they get back recorded player history? If they do, what happens to Thrashers statistical history? I suppose it can lay dorment -- removed completely. Like say if a team folded, their stats just don't continue. Coyotes can retro-start their statistical history from 1996-97 - onward. As if to say they were an expansion team. Can we 'attach' previous Jets stats to our new team? Like continuing from where we left off -- 1995-96 and then 2011-12? Who knows. This is what happened in the NFL when the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore. The Ravens were considered an expansion team with the Cleveland Browns franchise and all stats etc put "on-hold" for a few years until they were "reactivated". Don't see why it couldn't work for us here. Good point. But if that were to happen, Thrasher player/team records would not be applied to the current Jets. They would be considered a folded NHL team -- much like the California Golden Seals, for example.
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Post by mzappa on Oct 7, 2011 13:40:18 GMT -6
ah the Golden Seals! to think in some parallel universe it could have been the MB Polar Bears vs. the CA Golden Seals. in a word, "yuck".
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Post by rusty on Oct 7, 2011 13:46:53 GMT -6
In reality, no one outside of the 13 people or so on HF Boards actually care or cared about the Thrashers. As soon as team moved here and became the Jets, anything Atlanta related upped and vanished like a fart in the wind. So the fact that Kovalchuk is the franchises leading scorer, is irrelevant. History is carried on by people referencing and remembering it. So the fact that no one cares about what the team did in Atlanta, almost renders whatever history they had, dead... Almost as if it never happened at all. Had this team went to Kansas City or whatever, things might have been different. For the few who want to preserve and remember the Thrashers, moving to Winnipeg and being called the Jets is pretty much the worst thing that could have ever happened for that small group.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 14:05:57 GMT -6
I don't care one way or the other if the Jets history is given back to you guys. It's a non-issue to Yotes fans who are too worried about keeping the team alive. When the Yotes began, I was living in NJ hoping to move to Phoenix one day. As far as I was concerned then, they were an expansion team that I wanted to latch onto. That's as far as I am concerned now as well.
However, let me address three points:
1. A history section removed from a website doesn't necessarily indicate such a direction. It could simply indicate a reorganization of that site given the confusion of the Winnipeg Jets now existing today.
2. Yotes celebrating 15 years, this not counting the Jets years, means nothing to your dreams. We celebrated 10 years in Phoenix as well. Any milestone will be based on Yotes team only, just as any similar celebration would take place in Calgary or Colorado or Carolina. No indication of history being returned.
3. As for the dream of some grand announcement during the game next Saturday; why would they do that? That game is about the Yotes' home opener and beating the crap out of whoever they play. It's not about some moment that makes all nice nice for the few Jets fans who care about the return of stuff that they already have (history is history. You cant hold it in your hands). Fans want a surprise announcement that night of a new owner, not that we are giving something we don't give a crap about over to you sentimental dreamers.
I may be proven wrong on all three points above, but I figured I would offer a bit of reality to you before the Easter Bunny comes and takes away your hollow chocolate bunnies.
-TODD
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