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Post by Guardian on Nov 14, 2011 22:37:32 GMT -6
Love the debate on here!
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Post by Snoopy on Nov 14, 2011 22:54:31 GMT -6
so goalies are free game now
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 14, 2011 22:55:08 GMT -6
A goalie should be able to play the puck knowing that he wont be intentionally run over like that. I think you need to give your head a shake, clearly the goalie is never going to be playing the puck in the opposing end, like seriously you need to get a clue. Making a goalie "fair game" when he is out of the crease is actually one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard. So why is there a crease? Please explain. Why is there a crease? Wont even bother. A goalie cannot defend himself properly the way other players on the ice can, thats why they need to be protected. If you want to ban goaltenders from ever leaving their crease and ensuring they never have to touch the puck and risk being hit thats a different story. You dont intentionally crank the goalie like Lucic did, end of story.
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 14, 2011 22:56:27 GMT -6
so goalies are free game now Apparently, I'm sure all the people thinking goalies should be fair game will be singing a different tune when Mason or Pav get run over and concussed.
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Post by Snoopy on Nov 14, 2011 22:57:59 GMT -6
so goalies are free game now Apparently, I'm sure all the people thinking goalies should be fair game will be singing a different tune when Mason or Pav get run over and concussed. i have to agree with you there. seems like boston is getting away with alot of things.
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Post by phillymike on Nov 14, 2011 23:05:53 GMT -6
Out of the crease=fair game!!! Why do you think Lucic wasn't suspended or fined? Sorry guys, but that's just the way it is. It's hockey!!! Get used to it! What grey rule do you want to put out next? No more celebrating after the home team scores a touchdown?
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 14, 2011 23:12:22 GMT -6
Out of the crease=fair game!!! Why do you think Lucic wasn't suspended or fined? Sorry guys, but that's just the way it is. It's hockey!!! Get used to it! What grey rule do you want to put out next? No more celebrating after the home team scores a touchdown? Ummm sorry your logic doesnt hold up here Lucic wasn't suspended because he managed to somehow convince Shannahan that he didnt hit miller intentionally. If you think the rules should allow the goalie to be hit out of the crease then thats your problem but your whole notion that its currently legal to do so is a load of crap.
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Post by Snoopy on Nov 14, 2011 23:22:28 GMT -6
Out of the crease=fair game!!! Why do you think Lucic wasn't suspended or fined? Sorry guys, but that's just the way it is. It's hockey!!! Get used to it! What grey rule do you want to put out next? No more celebrating after the home team scores a touchdown? bet you if Timmy Thomas gets hit by Downie. Steve would be gone for 5 to 10 games. New guy incharge and its the same old story
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Post by phillymike on Nov 14, 2011 23:28:04 GMT -6
Out of the crease=fair game!!! Why do you think Lucic wasn't suspended or fined? Sorry guys, but that's just the way it is. It's hockey!!! Get used to it! What grey rule do you want to put out next? No more celebrating after the home team scores a touchdown? Ummm sorry your logic doesnt hold up here Lucic wasn't suspended because he managed to somehow convince Shannahan that he didnt hit miller intentionally. If you think the rules should allow the goalie to be hit out of the crease then thats your problem but your whole notion that its currently legal to do so is a load of crap. I think my logic does hold up here...or Lucic would have been suspended. What Jedi trick did Lucic pull on Shannahan? "These are not the droids you're looking for?"
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 14, 2011 23:37:03 GMT -6
Ummm sorry your logic doesnt hold up here Lucic wasn't suspended because he managed to somehow convince Shannahan that he didnt hit miller intentionally. If you think the rules should allow the goalie to be hit out of the crease then thats your problem but your whole notion that its currently legal to do so is a load of crap. I think my logic does hold up here...or Lucic would have been suspended. What Jedi trick did Lucic pull on Shannahan? "These are not the droids you're looking for?" Your trying to make the argument that Lucic was not suspended because he and anyone else is allowed to run over the goalie as they see fit. Well what does the NHL rule book have to say? 69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact. When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent. And why did Shannahan choose not to levy a suspension? "I had the hearing because I did make an initial assessment of the play as I do with all plays, but I did have some questions for Milan and I wanted to hear directly from him," Shanahan told NHL.com. "They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. If you want to make the argument that goalies SHOULD be fair game, well that in itself is stupid. But if your gonna try and argue that goalies ARE fair game well...thats even worst.
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Post by phillymike on Nov 14, 2011 23:45:38 GMT -6
I think my logic does hold up here...or Lucic would have been suspended. What Jedi trick did Lucic pull on Shannahan? "These are not the droids you're looking for?" Your trying to make the argument that Lucic was not suspended because he and anyone else is allowed to run over the goalie as they see fit. Well what does the NHL rule book have to say? 69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact. When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent. And why did Shannahan choose not to levy a suspension? "I had the hearing because I did make an initial assessment of the play as I do with all plays, but I did have some questions for Milan and I wanted to hear directly from him," Shanahan told NHL.com. "They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. If you want to make the argument that goalies SHOULD be fair game, well that in itself is stupid. But if your gonna try and argue that goalies ARE fair game well...thats even worst. Let's just agree that we disagree. That's what this form is all about. Letting us all give our opinions. You stated yours, I stated mine. I respect yours, hope you respect mine. BTW the rule you quoted doesn't have to do with the play we're discussing. I do endorse the rule you quoted, but it doesn't apply to this situation. Cheers!
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Post by selanne405 on Nov 14, 2011 23:47:29 GMT -6
Your trying to make the argument that Lucic was not suspended because he and anyone else is allowed to run over the goalie as they see fit. Well what does the NHL rule book have to say? 69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed. A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact. When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent. And why did Shannahan choose not to levy a suspension? "I had the hearing because I did make an initial assessment of the play as I do with all plays, but I did have some questions for Milan and I wanted to hear directly from him," Shanahan told NHL.com. "They were regarding his intent; at what point did he know there was going to be a collision; and whether or not he felt he had the time to avoid the collision. If you want to make the argument that goalies SHOULD be fair game, well that in itself is stupid. But if your gonna try and argue that goalies ARE fair game well...thats even worst. Let's just agree that we disagree. That's what this form is all about. Letting us all give our opinions. You stated yours, I stated mine. I respect yours, hope you respect mine. Cheers! Cheers
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Post by Snoopy on Nov 15, 2011 5:29:04 GMT -6
I love this debate lol
Good old hockey
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Post by USApegger on Nov 15, 2011 10:37:36 GMT -6
The point to me is that Lucic was going for the puck, Miller came out to prevent Lucic from having a clear shot on him. So Lucic is supposed to stop because Miller is out of the crease playing the puck? What if he fanned on it? What if the puck hopped over his stick?
It's a very grey area, you want your forwards going hard and now they have to slow up because the goalie who by rule, is not fair game, but is playing the puck way outside his crease??
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Post by jetsorbust on Nov 15, 2011 10:53:53 GMT -6
The point to me is that Lucic was going for the puck, Miller came out to prevent Lucic from having a clear shot on him. So Lucic is supposed to stop because Miller is out of the crease playing the puck? What if he fanned on it? What if the puck hopped over his stick? It's a very grey area, you want your forwards going hard and now they have to slow up because the goalie who by rule, is not fair game, but is playing the puck way outside his crease?? To me it's a stupid rule. If a goalie is out of his crease to play the puck, he should be fair game for a clean hit. But, that's not the rule or the NHL's intent so I don't understand how nothing happened to Lucic.
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