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Post by iceland2018 on Aug 3, 2018 23:57:33 GMT -6
It makes no sense to put a team in Mexico. It's a 3rd world country, full of political unrest. Are there 100,000 Mexicans that want to shell out a fortune for season tickets for the NFL? I doubt it. Even with 25 million people, I can't picture it ever working. I would be afraid of playing in Mexico, considering the players and their families run a high risk of crime and extortion. London is too far away, and likely would not sellout all the time. It's more or less a novelty. American football only seemed to work in Germany. Toronto would be the idea location, but that would not be possible in the Rogers Centre. If Toronto constructs an 80,000 seat stadium I can see it happening. The NFL isn't coming to Toronto. They blew it when they failed to support the 1 game a year Buffalo Bills game. The yearly game was cancelled with 4 years left on the deal due to poor attendance. I disagree. If the Cowboys or Patriots did the same deal, tickets would be snatched up in minutes. Nobody wants to see the Bills play. They are not good. IN fairness to Toronto, they did a lot better than Houston, when it was announced the Oilers would be moving to Tennesse. Why support Buffalo's team? It makes no sense. I also heard tickets were ridiculously expensive.[/quote] London is different. It's just a novelty. I remember when London got it's first taste of American football in NFL Europe (WLAF) in 1991. It was a huge success the first season, but fizzled out. Soccer will always be king in England. It may work in Germany., but I doubt London would support an NFL team long term. I'm 100% convinced Mexico City would never work. I mean the country is soccer crazy, and they cannot afford to compete with the European leagues, lose all their stars to European clubs, and whatever Mexican league there is can't even compete with the MLS. Try bringing an NFL team to Mexico just to see what a disaster it would be. Leagues shied away from Vegas, especially after the infamous 2007 All-Star game. Imagine multiplying that by 1,000 and you are still nowhere near the risk associated with putting a team in Mexico, especially with the current political climate. [/quote]
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 4, 2018 7:22:34 GMT -6
The NFL isn't coming to Toronto. They blew it when they failed to support the 1 game a year Buffalo Bills game. The yearly game was cancelled with 4 years left on the deal due to poor attendance. I disagree. If the Cowboys or Patriots did the same deal, tickets would be snatched up in minutes. Nobody wants to see the Bills play. They are not good. IN fairness to Toronto, they did a lot better than Houston, when it was announced the Oilers would be moving to Tennesse. Why support Buffalo's team? It makes no sense. I also heard tickets were ridiculously expensive. London is different. It's just a novelty. I remember when London got it's first taste of American football in NFL Europe (WLAF) in 1991. It was a huge success the first season, but fizzled out. Soccer will always be king in England. It may work in Germany., but I doubt London would support an NFL team long term. I'm 100% convinced Mexico City would never work. I mean the country is soccer crazy, and they cannot afford to compete with the European leagues, lose all their stars to European clubs, and whatever Mexican league there is can't even compete with the MLS. Try bringing an NFL team to Mexico just to see what a disaster it would be. Leagues shied away from Vegas, especially after the infamous 2007 All-Star game. Imagine multiplying that by 1,000 and you are still nowhere near the risk associated with putting a team in Mexico, especially with the current political climate. [/quote] [/quote] New England and Dallas are NOT moving they are the 2 most valuable teams. The available team was Buffalo, thus the trial run. If Toronto wanted NFL they had to support the Bills, they didn't. They FAILED. The reason you support a Buffalo team is to make it a Toronto team. Toronto had the most powerful man in football in their corner Jerry Jones. It was no secret the NFL no longer wanted Buffalo as a market plus the Bills have an aging 1973 stadium(bad combinations). Yes the Bills suck but teams can be rebuilt. Toronto doesn't support the CFL either. You don't get to say hey I don't support CFL or 1 measly NFL game a year(in a pint sized stadium way below league capacity!) but trust me give me a full time team. Yes tickets were expensive year 1 but year 2 they slashed prices 17% and it's not like they had to fill a full stadium at high prices(The Dome only has 50,000 seats for football and it was only 1 game). High prices are also what would have happen with a full time team only worst. PSL's certainly would be needed to build a new stadium like in Vegas and LA.(google what PSL's are going for in Vegas and LA). The Ontario government wasn't funding a football stadium or any stadiums after the Skydome debacle. Imagine the cost of PSL's for an all private stadium. In basketball when hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans their basketball team played 2 years in Oklahoma City before going back after the rebuilding. They had great attendance and got their foot in the door. Eventually they got the relocated Sonics. They didn't say hey this is a New Orleans team, they suck, I will only support the Lakers etc..... If they did that they'd still be team-less like Toronto with NFL. Big deal if they had better attendance than a lame duck Oilers team. That's meaningless. It was bad, the series was cancelled and ever since the Toronto series failed there is outright 0 talk of a relocation or Toronto team from the NFL. Buffalo is going to do a renovation to the current stadium in a few years. The NFL won't allow a team in both Buffalo and Toronto because Buffalo gets 22% of their fans from Ontario. Given Buffalo is already the least valuable team and according the their ownership it's likely pointless to even build a new stadium because Buffalo could afford the ticket prices the NFL isn't going to risk what Ontario fans there are and make the Bills that much weaker. I was an advocate of Buffalo relocating to Toronto myself. I saw it the same way as Jerry Jones. Buffalo had no upside and was a thing of the past screw the history and tradition. I was wrong Buffalo for it's many flaws is the right choice. A crappy dying rust belt with a patch job stadium with fans that can only pay cheap ticket prices is better than a big market that can't support 1 game a year in a small under capacity stadium and have a million excuses for it. If you want a pro team in any sport and get used as a test run you MUST pass that test or you don't get talked about anymore. WLAF and NFL are NOT comparable. WLAF was minor league. London has PASSED every test so far that't why there is serious talk of a full time team(though travel could be too much to overcome and kill it). They've sold all 21 games so far. They've been playing games there since 2007. If it's a novelty that's a pretty long one. Yes soccer will always be king by a mile but if only a small % of London's 12M are fans you can fill an 80,000 seat stadium 8 times. There are enough ex-pats and others curious enough to fill a stadium. TV ratings for NFL in London are a joke I've heard(a Simpsons rerun beat the Super Bowl) but I don't think the NFL cares as long as the stadium is filled. They make up for the TV ratings in the US with the early morning game time slot so they don't need the ratings from London/England. Once difference with a Mexican NBA team vs. soccer leagues is that a Mexican team would get 1/32nd of the US NBA national TV deal plus there is a salary cap in the NBA. With rival soccer leagues there is no cap on spending. I don't think Mexico is a slam dunk, the kidnapping issue is a real risk. But I wouldn't put it past the NBA to pull it off. Almost everything they touch turns to gold. If they can solve the kidnapping issue the gain in Latin America TV deal plus gain in American hispanics and international fans will be worth it. As far as NFL Mexico City too has sold out every game too including over a 100,000 in 2006(an all time NFL record at that time). Players wouldn't have to even live there. You could train someplace in Texas and play the home games there. No chance in hell of a team though. No way Mexico City pays at least $1.5B for a stadium.
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Post by mikecubs on Oct 11, 2019 4:07:59 GMT -6
Seats from Quebec City Colisee to be sold off ahead of arena demolition Quebec City will be selling off seats from the former home of professional hockey in its town, last known as the Pepsi Colisee. The old arena's white wooden seats will be sold on the Oct.Quebec City will be selling off seats from the former home of professional hockey in its town, last known as the Pepsi Colisee. The old arena's white wooden seats will be sold on the Oct. 19-20 weekend at $30 per seat, in pairs, up to a maximum of 12 seats per buyer. The organization that manages the site for the city, ExpoCite, says 500 people have already expressed interest in buying seats. Demolition of the facility, which opened in 1949, began last month, four years after it was closed with the opening of the Videotron Centre. The arena was home to the NHL's Quebec Nordiques until their 1995 move to Colorado, as well as the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League's Quebec Remparts and other minor league teams before closing in September 2015. The arena's capacity was just over 15,000 people, but only the 4,000 white wooden seats are for sale — and they aren't self-supporting, requiring some carpentry work to install elsewhere. The other 11,000 seats are blue plastic and will be given to municipalities, schools and other institutions. Fans will also be able to pay an extra $25 to have a former Nordiques player sign the seat — money that will be donated to charity. www.kamloopsmatters.com/national-sports/seats-from-quebec-city-colisee-to-be-sold-off-ahead-of-arena-demolition-1739373
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Post by wolfmannick on Feb 16, 2020 16:42:06 GMT -6
The website was shut down. Guess even the most hopefilled fans have realized there is no hope lol.
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 16, 2020 22:41:52 GMT -6
The website was shut down. Guess even the most hopefilled fans have realized there is no hope lol. Sadly they are right :'Unbelievable that you have the combination of a rabid fan base plus a totally 100% public funded arena and the league isn't interested. People who criticize Calgary's politicians for funding the new arena should keep the lesson of Quebec in mind. Once a Canadian city loses a team it's not coming back bearing a miracle where the league has no other choice(Atlanta getting kicked out). Meanwhile the NFL made $14.476B in revenue in 2018 and franchise values are $2.85 B MLB made $9.895B in 2018 and franchise values are $1.744B(pending updates this spring) NBA made $8.759B last year and franchise values are $2.123 B. The league expects it's next TV deal to double in value from the current $2.6B For people under 34 the NBA is more popular than the NFL according to recent polling and is the most global of the 4 sports. The NHL is at $5B revenue with franchise values only $651M. But they can totally leave out Quebec and Houston since they think they are so awesome. No one is to question this and point out it's odd. It would be blasphemy to do so. It's all the cost of the Hockey equipment's fault/cost of ice time and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a poorly run sport stuck in a pointless dark age geographic civil war.
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Post by wolfmannick on Feb 16, 2020 23:20:16 GMT -6
The website was shut down. Guess even the most hopefilled fans have realized there is no hope lol. Sadly they are right :'Unbelievable that you have the combination of a rabid fan base plus a totally 100% public funded arena and the league isn't interested. People who criticize Calgary's politicians for funding the new arena should keep the lesson of Quebec in mind. Once a Canadian city loses a team it's not coming back bearing a miracle where the league has no other choice(Atlanta getting kicked out). Meanwhile the NFL made $14.476B in revenue in 2018 and franchise values are $2.85 B MLB made $9.895B in 2018 and franchise values are $1.744B(pending updates this spring) NBA made $8.759B last year and franchise values are $2.123 B. The league expects it's next TV deal to double in value from the current $2.6B For people under 34 the NBA is more popular than the NFL according to recent polling and is the most global of the 4 sports. The NHL is at $5B revenue with franchise values only $651M. But they can totally leave out Quebec and Houston since they think they are so awesome. No one is to question this and point out it's odd. It would be blasphemy to do so. It's all the cost of the Hockey equipment's fault/cost of ice time and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a poorly run sport stuck in a pointless dark age geographic civil war. For all bettman has done to grow the sport, his reluctance to put teams in the best possible market while propping up teams in failing markets, ie arizona florida is baffling. Hopefully whoever takes over after he steps down realizes this flaw and allows those moves to happen. Bettmans ego it seems is the biggest obstacle
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 16, 2020 23:33:15 GMT -6
Sadly they are right :'Unbelievable that you have the combination of a rabid fan base plus a totally 100% public funded arena and the league isn't interested. People who criticize Calgary's politicians for funding the new arena should keep the lesson of Quebec in mind. Once a Canadian city loses a team it's not coming back bearing a miracle where the league has no other choice(Atlanta getting kicked out). Meanwhile the NFL made $14.476B in revenue in 2018 and franchise values are $2.85 B MLB made $9.895B in 2018 and franchise values are $1.744B(pending updates this spring) NBA made $8.759B last year and franchise values are $2.123 B. The league expects it's next TV deal to double in value from the current $2.6B For people under 34 the NBA is more popular than the NFL according to recent polling and is the most global of the 4 sports. The NHL is at $5B revenue with franchise values only $651M. But they can totally leave out Quebec and Houston since they think they are so awesome. No one is to question this and point out it's odd. It would be blasphemy to do so. It's all the cost of the Hockey equipment's fault/cost of ice time and this has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a poorly run sport stuck in a pointless dark age geographic civil war. For all bettman has done to grow the sport, his reluctance to put teams in the best possible market while propping up teams in failing markets, ie arizona florida is baffling. Hopefully whoever takes over after he steps down realizes this flaw and allows those moves to happen. Bettmans ego it seems is the biggest obstacle I think it will be Bill Daly who will take over ala Adam Silver/David Stern NBA. I doubt anything will change even without Bettman. The civil war is so deep in the sport I don't think it boils down to a Bettman alone thing.
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Post by wolfmannick on Feb 17, 2020 12:26:14 GMT -6
For all bettman has done to grow the sport, his reluctance to put teams in the best possible market while propping up teams in failing markets, ie arizona florida is baffling. Hopefully whoever takes over after he steps down realizes this flaw and allows those moves to happen. Bettmans ego it seems is the biggest obstacle I think it will be Bill Daly who will take over ala Adam Silver/David Stern NBA. I doubt anything will change even without Bettman. The civil war is so deep in the sport I don't think it boils down to a Bettman alone thing. Im just saying at the minimum itll take a commissioner with a different point of view to change things. We wont k ow what will happen until someone takes over for bettman, they might wanna make a splash and replace those failing markets with viable ones
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Post by mikecubs on Feb 17, 2020 23:24:12 GMT -6
I think it will be Bill Daly who will take over ala Adam Silver/David Stern NBA. I doubt anything will change even without Bettman. The civil war is so deep in the sport I don't think it boils down to a Bettman alone thing. Im just saying at the minimum itll take a commissioner with a different point of view to change things. We wont k ow what will happen until someone takes over for bettman, they might wanna make a splash and replace those failing markets with viable ones Don't get your hopes up.
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Post by wolfmannick on Apr 24, 2020 21:19:18 GMT -6
If this drags on, southern teams especially with have issues, might give quebec a slim chance
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Post by mikecubs on Apr 29, 2020 6:36:29 GMT -6
If this drags on, southern teams especially with have issues, might give quebec a slim chance Don't count on it. Not sure if this will hurt a Florida or Arizona. If this ends and games with fans restart it's not like a down/great depression economy will drive down their fans coming to games that much because they already have no fans. Even if it became totally nonviable to have these teams Bettman would prop them up no matter how much it took rather than give Quebec a team.
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Post by mikecubs on May 26, 2020 4:48:35 GMT -6
This is from mid January 2020 so take it with a grain of salt Coliseum of Quebec: a demolition perhaps more complex than expectedDeconstructing the Colisee Pepsi could be more complex than expected, which could have an impact on the costs of the site, warns a potential bidder who considers the December 2020 timetable for the completion of the works unrealistic. Quebec City has published a first call for tenders, before the holidays, for professional engineering services. The submission of bids, originally scheduled for January 13, has been extended to January 24. As is the practice, interested companies that view documents on the Electronic Tendering System (SEAO) can submit questions for clarification. Questions and answers are then published in addenda, accessible to everyone for the sake of fairness. One of the potential bidders – whose identity is not disclosed in a document viewed by The newspaper – expresses serious doubts as to the feasibility of the timetable proposed by the City. A six-month project? The call for tenders for the works must be launched in early June, which leaves at most six months to complete the site and backfill the land by December 18, the date targeted by the City.“It is common for a mandate of this magnitude to provide for a period of twelve to sixteen months depending on the urgency of the deadline. The schedule imposed by the City will have a significant impact on the estimate of the cost of the work, “notes the engineering firm, skeptical about the construction holidays, the costs associated with night shifts, the quantity of “very important” concrete to be removed and then the scale of the “asbestos removal” work. Insufficient data regarding the presence of asbestos are also worrying. A characterization study, produced in 2012, “is not complete and detailed with a view to demolition,” it said. The City suggests that professionals complete the data available when carrying out preparatory studies. “The December 2020 schedule is realistic and still stands,” said City spokesman David O’Brien. It often happens during tenders that bidders question deadlines, “he relativizes. A total envelope of $ 8 million In the call for tenders, the maximum amount that Quebec City intends to spend was set at $ 7 million. However, $ 1 million must be added for the preparatory work, specifies Mr. O’Brien, for a total of $ 8 million “as announced publicly” by the mayor Regis Labeaume in the fall. The City has also relaxed its assessment criteria and no longer requires experts to have completed “at least one project to deconstruct an amphitheater”, a criterion that is clearly too restrictive. Demolition by implosion dismissed The technique of spectacular demolition by implosion, with explosives, was deemed more expensive and inappropriate for the Coliseum, by the City of Quebec. Mechanical shovels will activate to dismantle the structure when its contents have been emptied. The Colosseum of Quebec Inaugurated in 1949, the building then had 10,000 seats. Expansion work, completed in 1981, increased its capacity to more than 15,000 seats. The Metallica group will be the last to perform there on stage in September 2015, two days before inaugurating the new Videotron Center. The “deconstruction” site is to be launched this summer and be completed in December 2020. No concrete plans have been revealed to replace it. Mayor Labeaume said he wanted an “exceptional signature project” on the site, not excluding that it could be a residential project.www.web24.news/a/2020/01/coliseum-of-quebec-a-demolition-perhaps-more-complex-than-expected.html
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Post by wolfmannick on Nov 22, 2021 16:07:16 GMT -6
The premier of Quebec just announced he had meetings lined up with Bettman to discuss bringing an NHL team to Quebec and wanting more french players on teams in the province. In response Bill Daly basically denied everything, so any potiential meetings have been cancelled. Seems Quebec is going about their NHL aspirations the Jim Balsille way, which worked out oh so well for him.
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Post by rainmanrh on Nov 22, 2021 16:59:55 GMT -6
The premier of Quebec just announced he had meetings lined up with Bettman to discuss bringing an NHL team to Quebec and wanting more french players on teams in the province. In response Bill Daly basically denied everything, so any potiential meetings have been cancelled. Seems Quebec is going about their NHL aspirations the Jim Balsille way, which worked out oh so well for him. Seems to be a bit of he said she said on this one. No doubt something is going on, but ya the premier and potential investors better learn to keep things on the DL.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Nov 23, 2021 8:48:32 GMT -6
yes dont negotiate in public with bettman, bettman just needs his dead of night move in order just in case
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