Post by Douggy-D on Aug 11, 2011 22:20:16 GMT -6
I notice that a lot of Joke and Thrasher fans tried pointing out over the last couple of years that their teams had better attendance than the Jets (And sometimes Nordiques). One thing they forget is that 1) Their teams give away thousands of free tickets each game. 2) The League Average was much lower when the Jets and Nordiques were in Existence. Let's analyze.
Mikecubs from Jetsowner posted the Jets & Nordiques Attendance figures in comparison to the League Average over there, so I'm going to use that. Mikecubs, if you are reading this please give me the link to where you found those figures.
So here we go:
Here is the entire Jets Attendance history. They were close to league average most years. The only crappy year was the last year. For the other 16 years attendance was steady. The 1st 5 years were above league average the rest a little below but not bad. Overall Winnipeg was 591 people away from being league average counting all 17 years vs the NHL average. 4.35% off the league average.
Here is the entire Jets NHL Attendance history. They were close to league average most years. The only crappy year was the last year. For the other 16 years attendance was steady. The 1st 5 years were above league average the rest a little below but not bad. Overall Winnipeg was 591 people away from being league average counting all 17 years vs the NHL average. 4.35% off the league average.
Winnipeg League Ave
13,284 12,540
13,265 10,726
13,382 10,710
12,889 11,020
12,400 11,359
12,994 13,849
13,620 13,834
13,594 14,114
12,681 14,425
12,816 14,783
13,106 14,975
12,931 14,695
12,931 14,510
13,550 14,045
13,297 14,748
13,013 14,797
11,316 15,986
13,004 13,595 Totals
Now for Quebec, in 10 of the 16 years in the league they were ABOVE league average in attendance!! The 1st year they were below league average attendance by 14.34%. Other than that the worse they did in a year was less than 6% off. Some years they were 30-40% OVER the league average!!!!!
Nordiques League Ave
10,742 12,540
12,227 10,726
15,120 10,710
15,058 11,020
14,986 11,359
14,868 13,849
14,784 13,834
14,832 14,114
14,943 14,425
14,545 14,783
15,080 14,975
14,188 14,695
13,666 14,510
14,981 14,045
14,614 14,748
14,395 14,797
14,314 13,446 Totals
Overall the Nordiques were 6.46% over the league average in attendance in the 16 years they were in the league with an average of 869 people more per game than league average. Bring back the Nordiques.
Now for Phoenix, in not one of their 14 years of existence have they been above the League Average.
Phoenix League Ave
15,604 16,548
15,405 16,195
15,548 16,311
14,991 16,359
14,224 16,549
13,161 16,486
13,229 16,591
15,469 16,534
15,582 16,955
14,988 16,486
14,820 17,309
14,875 17,475
11,989 17,072
12,188 17,122
14,434 16,714 Totals
Overall, Phoenix was 13.6% below the League Average. Let's not forget the fact that it was revealed in Court documents that Phoenix only really averaged about 12,000 since moving there and 11,000 since the lockout. They also only averaged about 12,000 in Paid attendance. Unfortunately, with all of the teams that inflated their attendance with giveaways we may never know the League Average for those numbers, so I'm not going to compare them. I think it should be apparent that Winnipeg and Quebec are the superior markets here.
Now for Atlanta. If mikecubs could fish up the Atlanta Flames attendance figures compared to the League Average during that time we could make a comparison of them too.
Atlanta League Ave
17,206 16,359
15,263 16,549
13,368 16,486
13,476 16,591
15,121 16,534
15,550 16,955
16,229 16,486
15,824 17,309
14,626 17,475
13,607 17,072
13,469 17,122
14,885 16,813 Totals
Overall, the Thrashers were 11.53% lower than the League Average. The first year they were above it, the next few years it was pretty bad. It got better in the mid 2000's, but it was very bad the last few years. And let's not forget, their announced crowds were thousands higher than the real ones, just the same as the Coyotes.
I think if you took the time to read the post you will realize that everything those fans say about Winnipeg is complete hogwash and isn't anything to take seriously.
Mikecubs from Jetsowner posted the Jets & Nordiques Attendance figures in comparison to the League Average over there, so I'm going to use that. Mikecubs, if you are reading this please give me the link to where you found those figures.
So here we go:
Here is the entire Jets Attendance history. They were close to league average most years. The only crappy year was the last year. For the other 16 years attendance was steady. The 1st 5 years were above league average the rest a little below but not bad. Overall Winnipeg was 591 people away from being league average counting all 17 years vs the NHL average. 4.35% off the league average.
Here is the entire Jets NHL Attendance history. They were close to league average most years. The only crappy year was the last year. For the other 16 years attendance was steady. The 1st 5 years were above league average the rest a little below but not bad. Overall Winnipeg was 591 people away from being league average counting all 17 years vs the NHL average. 4.35% off the league average.
Winnipeg League Ave
13,284 12,540
13,265 10,726
13,382 10,710
12,889 11,020
12,400 11,359
12,994 13,849
13,620 13,834
13,594 14,114
12,681 14,425
12,816 14,783
13,106 14,975
12,931 14,695
12,931 14,510
13,550 14,045
13,297 14,748
13,013 14,797
11,316 15,986
13,004 13,595 Totals
Now for Quebec, in 10 of the 16 years in the league they were ABOVE league average in attendance!! The 1st year they were below league average attendance by 14.34%. Other than that the worse they did in a year was less than 6% off. Some years they were 30-40% OVER the league average!!!!!
Nordiques League Ave
10,742 12,540
12,227 10,726
15,120 10,710
15,058 11,020
14,986 11,359
14,868 13,849
14,784 13,834
14,832 14,114
14,943 14,425
14,545 14,783
15,080 14,975
14,188 14,695
13,666 14,510
14,981 14,045
14,614 14,748
14,395 14,797
14,314 13,446 Totals
Overall the Nordiques were 6.46% over the league average in attendance in the 16 years they were in the league with an average of 869 people more per game than league average. Bring back the Nordiques.
Now for Phoenix, in not one of their 14 years of existence have they been above the League Average.
Phoenix League Ave
15,604 16,548
15,405 16,195
15,548 16,311
14,991 16,359
14,224 16,549
13,161 16,486
13,229 16,591
15,469 16,534
15,582 16,955
14,988 16,486
14,820 17,309
14,875 17,475
11,989 17,072
12,188 17,122
14,434 16,714 Totals
Overall, Phoenix was 13.6% below the League Average. Let's not forget the fact that it was revealed in Court documents that Phoenix only really averaged about 12,000 since moving there and 11,000 since the lockout. They also only averaged about 12,000 in Paid attendance. Unfortunately, with all of the teams that inflated their attendance with giveaways we may never know the League Average for those numbers, so I'm not going to compare them. I think it should be apparent that Winnipeg and Quebec are the superior markets here.
Now for Atlanta. If mikecubs could fish up the Atlanta Flames attendance figures compared to the League Average during that time we could make a comparison of them too.
Atlanta League Ave
17,206 16,359
15,263 16,549
13,368 16,486
13,476 16,591
15,121 16,534
15,550 16,955
16,229 16,486
15,824 17,309
14,626 17,475
13,607 17,072
13,469 17,122
14,885 16,813 Totals
Overall, the Thrashers were 11.53% lower than the League Average. The first year they were above it, the next few years it was pretty bad. It got better in the mid 2000's, but it was very bad the last few years. And let's not forget, their announced crowds were thousands higher than the real ones, just the same as the Coyotes.
I think if you took the time to read the post you will realize that everything those fans say about Winnipeg is complete hogwash and isn't anything to take seriously.