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Post by jetsv2 on Mar 23, 2012 16:21:30 GMT -6
From what ive heard from people who know what they are talking about, who arnt actually working on the stadium. The wind is delaying them putting the metal roof things on and they cant work if the wind is like 10km/h. So they basiclly need days of 0 wind to work on the roof and that roof is delaying the whole project. And of course in winnipeg you get very few days of no wind. Knows what I'm talking about?? I see it my way. The weather has been a majority of above normal seasonal temperatures. I say, if you have a project of this magnitude you WORK regardless of the conditions unless they are to an EXTREME level of counter productive measure. The stadium delay using wind as an issue, from the winter we had considering this is Winnipeg is pulling the wool over our eyes. Case closed. Are you in the construction industry, do you know how much it takes to lift a gaint piece of metal over 200 feet in the air. Do you even realize that it would act like a gaint kite or sail and catch the wind and that a 10km/h wind would make to too dangerous to work? I guess not. But the people I have been talking to are in the contruction industry and understand all of that. But your the expert on large contstruction right and I should belive you over people who actually know somthing about construction? |
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Post by Ric O. on Mar 23, 2012 18:54:43 GMT -6
Good thing the wind hasn't stopped other big projects where they've had to lift large beams, like say the MTS Centre, the Hydro Building, or say CMHR which has a crazy amount of steel and glass that has had to be lifted and very meticulously placed, concurrent with stadium construction. The wind thing is either a cop out or extremely poor planning...just my opinion.
Who plans for a project that is completely dependent on having a year with NO WIND (with deadlines that seemed optimistic to start with) in Canada's windiest city and then blames the wind when construction falls behind?
The Bombers got all the ST holders they need who payed a new premium price justified by their seats in the new stadium, so it's worked out well for them.
I think the new Stadium is going to be fantastic and I can't wait for to open. Honestly though, how many people trusted the Bombers but didn't have a little voice in their head asking themselves if having it ready for the start of the 2012 season wasn't a bit hard to believe?
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Post by z on Mar 23, 2012 21:19:10 GMT -6
The MTS Center, Hydro Building, and CMHR weren't held to a tight, very public timeline. Plus the museum is farther along than the stadium is, and probably wasn't affected as much by the weather. They also gave that place 3 years to be built. And no one cares about whether Hydro's HR department gets a new floor on time or has to spend 5 more weeks in their old office or if the Moose had to stay at the old arena longer. CFL schedule? That's pretty well known.
But the weather is usually taken into account when planning......you tend to use the normal forecast for those things. What people don't realize is -30 and sunny is a lot less disruptive for this kind of work than -2 and rain and snow. The soft, messy ground probably didn't help either.
I call poor planning on the Bombers side, not the construction planners. But I have a very low opinion of the Bombers organization as a whole, and probably won't be seeing the new stadium for years after it's finished. I think they saw the end and got eager. We all have heard about the troubles involved in getting all the season ticket holders into seats they'd accept. They probably didn't want to deal with that mid-season.
If they rush it, that building will have a deficiency list a mile long. Paint touch-ups, firestopping, temporary power and anything else they deem less important. Remember the MTS Center during preseason this year? Concessions tarped off, temporary stands everywhere, etc.
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Post by enarwpg on Mar 23, 2012 21:23:40 GMT -6
My prediction, we are in it in 2013 with it completely finished. I don't want to go into a stadium that doesn't have all teh amenities etc reaady. Do it the right way Bombers My other prediction, cost will be around $245 million when finished and the loand will quietly be forgiven in 2 years The new stadium will be awesome First... yes, the stadium will be "awesome" from what I can see. It'll be great seeing it filled to the rafters with crazy ass fans, young and old. 2nd... There is no way the Bombers can take on an $80 million dollar loan and make payments and run a team on the potential revenue from just their exhibition, regular season and playoff games. So, I agree that at some point in time, much sooner than later, the Province will announce (very quietly) that the repayment of the $80 million has been been put on hold indefinitely, not forgiven. That'll be more palatable to taxpayers. Finally cost: there never has been an announcement of what the actual tendered cost was, what was included, when the structure was to be completed, what penalties could be imposed if the timelines were not met, etc. I'm guessing we will never know the true, actual cost because no one will know what to ask, of whom, of side contracts, etc. But..... it will be awesome ! |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Mar 24, 2012 9:27:01 GMT -6
The MTS Center, Hydro Building, and CMHR weren't held to a tight, very public timeline. Plus the museum is farther along than the stadium is, and probably wasn't affected as much by the weather. They also gave that place 3 years to be built. And no one cares about whether Hydro's HR department gets a new floor on time or has to spend 5 more weeks in their old office or if the Moose had to stay at the old arena longer. CFL schedule? That's pretty well known. WTF are you talking about? They specifically stated that they'd deliver a new stadium within a specific time frame. They now make lame @ss excuses about it. Regardless I don't think it's relevant the publics perception interfere's with such consequences. They've failed the publics imagination. I doubt I'm taking what you said personally. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2012 11:54:34 GMT -6
It's just too bad that instead of leaving the old stadium with a bang (Eastern Division championship victory), they might be leaving it with a regular season loss. Out with a fizzle. Maybe Milt should come out of retirement for the last ever game at Winnipeg Stadium and play one down, just to give it some sort of historical context (I'm aware that would never happen).
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Mar 24, 2012 14:40:21 GMT -6
Wind did effect other large projects. its just that the Stadium has had a very short timeline so any delays are magnified.
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Post by davebabych on Mar 24, 2012 14:50:28 GMT -6
If the Bombers end up playing their first game in the new stadium in September, the Bombers should be refunding some cash to their season tickets holders.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Mar 24, 2012 15:07:08 GMT -6
If the Bombers end up playing their first game in the new stadium in September, the Bombers should be refunding some cash to their season tickets holders. Like Deuce said: they could have made the Banjo Bowl a more realistic parody to open the new stadium. At this point I don't see the place being ready until 2013 at least. |
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Post by jetsv2 on Mar 24, 2012 21:17:33 GMT -6
If the Bombers end up playing their first game in the new stadium in September, the Bombers should be refunding some cash to their season tickets holders. Like Deuce said: they could have made the Banjo Bowl a more realistic parody to open the new stadium. At this point I don't see the place being ready until 2013 at least. It will be open before 2013 for sure, but the banjo bowl is a more realistic expectation for when they will be finished by. All of the reports from people outside the bombers puts them somwhere from 3-4 months behind. For it not to be finished this year that would mean they are 6+ months behind. Unless you can tell me where you are geting your info to make such bold predictions I will continue to assume you are talking out of your ass. |
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Post by Ric O. on Mar 24, 2012 21:18:21 GMT -6
Wind did effect other large projects. its just that the Stadium has had a very short timeline so any delays are magnified. Yup I agree, other projects are affected but have more reasonable timelines and the work just keeps on going as well as possible. The stadium project timeline was too short from the beginning. In a way I don't blame the Bombers...government had its hands in the whole process and that usually isn't a good thing. |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Mar 24, 2012 21:57:08 GMT -6
Jeez, all I meant was that they should have already said 2013 would be the completion date, that way it would save everyone the grief. I didn't mean it won't open by 2013, I'm saying that they should have made the amount of time they needed a 2013 target. If they did that, none of this would be happening. 2013 is how long I think they should have made the completion by.
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Post by bigcanadiano on Mar 24, 2012 22:05:07 GMT -6
Wind did effect other large projects. its just that the Stadium has had a very short timeline so any delays are magnified. Yup I agree, other projects are affected but have more reasonable timelines and the work just keeps on going as well as possible. The stadium project timeline was too short from the beginning. In a way I don't blame the Bombers...government had it's hands in the whole process and that usually isn't a good thing. Exactly. I'm no rocket scientist, but you don't have to be an astro-physicist to infer that even half-ton steel beams, wouldn't be affected by 10km/hr winds. It's utter non-sense. Aside from that, I am convinced the red-tape (as I referred already to this thread) has a trickle effect from the project managers right down to the union reps that have held back this stadium debacle. |
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Post by TheDeuce on Mar 24, 2012 23:51:46 GMT -6
Knows what I'm talking about?? I see it my way. The weather has been a majority of above normal seasonal temperatures. I say, if you have a project of this magnitude you WORK regardless of the conditions unless they are to an EXTREME level of counter productive measure. The stadium delay using wind as an issue, from the winter we had considering this is Winnipeg is pulling the wool over our eyes. Case closed. Are you in the construction industry, do you know how much it takes to lift a gaint piece of metal over 200 feet in the air. Do you even realize that it would act like a gaint kite or sail and catch the wind and that a 10km/h wind would make to too dangerous to work? I guess not. But the people I have been talking to are in the contruction industry and understand all of that. But your the expert on large contstruction right and I should belive you over people who actually know somthing about construction? I've done some project management and am by no means a construction industry guru. Because of that, I make sure that I get the very best information from bona-fide construction gurus when I plan projects. And I make sure I get the straight goods. When I'm planning I'm known for saying 'don't tell me what the timeline should be, could be, or can be. Let me know the absolute worst case.'. I wasn't part of the stadium project, I don't know anyone involved with the stadium project (directly) but even the most uninformed project manager knew that a June 2012 opening was an absolute best-case date. Plans must NEVER assume the best case will be the real case. m. |
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Post by bigcanadiano on Mar 25, 2012 7:46:54 GMT -6
re; Deuce
Here's the thing, when we're surrounded by such uncertainty on the issue, we're not being provided with incompetence - it's on top of that we're being mislead in the public interest.
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