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Post by Lions67 on Sept 11, 2011 21:11:43 GMT -6
has someone bought the Blues yet??
i can see them as the "mystery" team.
would not surprise me in the least.
i want Columbus to stay too, they can be a decent market.
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Post by jetsreborn on Sept 11, 2011 22:23:27 GMT -6
has someone bought the Blues yet?? i can see them as the "mystery" team. would not surprise me in the least. i want Columbus to stay too, they can be a decent market. columbus would have been a way better franchise if they had gone to cleavland instead of columbus, they should move the team to cleavland or at least call them the ohio bluejackets and market to the whole state.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 11, 2011 23:48:52 GMT -6
has someone bought the Blues yet?? i can see them as the "mystery" team. would not surprise me in the least. i want Columbus to stay too, they can be a decent market. columbus would have been a way better franchise if they had gone to cleavland instead of columbus, they should move the team to cleavland or at least call them the ohio bluejackets and market to the whole state. Cleveland is already overtaxed with 3 teams. Cleveland is in population decline and the economy is in ruin. No way do they need a 4th team.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 11, 2011 23:52:13 GMT -6
has someone bought the Blues yet?? i can see them as the "mystery" team. would not surprise me in the least. i want Columbus to stay too, they can be a decent market. No one has bought the Blues yet but i can't see them moving. They are not some sunbelt team not drawing fans. They've been around a long time and get good attendance. They have received multiple bids for the team www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/article_557cbd46-992d-5ec0-b38a-a99e62c9ef46.html
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 12, 2011 0:00:18 GMT -6
I like Columbus and believe it can work if you get the team on the winning side of things. Panthers and Coyotes are really the only teams I want out. However, when I heard that Houston was being thrown around as a future place for an NHL team I couldn't help but laugh. Dallas is barely holding on from what I've read. Anaheim, San Jose, and Los Angeles are examples of places where hockey can work. But what do they have in common? They are successful. One can argue that if Florida starts winning perhaps they will start generating fans. Your wrong on Dallas. Owner Tom Hicks is bankrupt but not because of the team. In forbes franchise value list last year Dallas was 10th overall. He had to sell the Texas Rangers too a couple years ago and they are a top 10 franchise too in baseball in terms of revenue and value. I'd consider Dallas one of the few sucessful sun belt teams along with the 3 California teams.
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Post by quackbeth on Sept 12, 2011 0:01:49 GMT -6
I'd like the Blues and Blue Jackets to stay too, the Blues ahve been around for as long as the Kings, they don't deserve to die...and there's nothing wrong with having an NHL team in Ohio...
Let the Coyotes and Panthers and their kind take the fall.
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 12, 2011 1:38:29 GMT -6
I'd like the Blues and Blue Jackets to stay too, the Blues ahve been around for as long as the Kings, they don't deserve to die...and there's nothing wrong with having an NHL team in Ohio... Let the Coyotes and Panthers and their kind take the fall. I have no doubt whosoever the Blues will stay. St. Louis losing the Blues would be as bad as Winnipeg losing the Jets. It won't happen. There are so many other teams in trouble the Blues would be way down the list of teams to move. Columbus i'm not so sure about. The did lose 23 Million last year although part of that is because of a bad lease. Columbus isn't that big and what hurts is that it is a college town. Ohio State comes 1st. I don't think Columbus will move soon but i have a bad feeling about them long term. Hope i'm wrong.
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 5:28:13 GMT -6
Yo I read an article in the NY Post today that said that the Devils might go bankrupt. They missed a loan payment recently. It's not so much because of the fans though. Yeah, I know they were like 24th in attendance last year, but they were probably much higher in gate revenue, and overall revenue, and that's what matters most. Before that, their first 3 years at the Rock, they've always been in the upper half for gate/overall revenue. And they're the 11th most valuable franchise in the League. So maybe it'll be like the Dodgers bankruptcy, and the Dodgers aren't really in much danger of moving. I just hope that if it comes down to it, that Bettman makes the right decision and moves the Coyotes to QC instead of the Devils.
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Post by swervinmervin on Sept 12, 2011 11:41:09 GMT -6
Yo I read an article in the NY Post today that said that the Devils might go bankrupt. They missed a loan payment recently. It's not so much because of the fans though. Yeah, I know they were like 24th in attendance last year, but they were probably much higher in gate revenue, and overall revenue, and that's what matters most. Before that, their first 3 years at the Rock, they've always been in the upper half for gate/overall revenue. And they're the 11th most valuable franchise in the League. So maybe it'll be like the Dodgers bankruptcy, and the Dodgers aren't really in much danger of moving. I just hope that if it comes down to it, that Bettman makes the right decision and moves the Coyotes to QC instead of the Devils. I noticed this article as well. I just posted it as a new thread, with the same question that you raised - is this Eklund's mystery relocation team? WOW! I had no idea that the Devils were in such bad shape. If they are this bad, who isn't this bad, south of the 49th parallel?
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 14:57:16 GMT -6
Yo I read an article in the NY Post today that said that the Devils might go bankrupt. They missed a loan payment recently. It's not so much because of the fans though. Yeah, I know they were like 24th in attendance last year, but they were probably much higher in gate revenue, and overall revenue, and that's what matters most. Before that, their first 3 years at the Rock, they've always been in the upper half for gate/overall revenue. And they're the 11th most valuable franchise in the League. So maybe it'll be like the Dodgers bankruptcy, and the Dodgers aren't really in much danger of moving. I just hope that if it comes down to it, that Bettman makes the right decision and moves the Coyotes to QC instead of the Devils. I noticed this article as well. I just posted it as a new thread, with the same question that you raised - is this Eklund's mystery relocation team? WOW! I had no idea that the Devils were in such bad shape. If they are this bad, who isn't this bad, south of the 49th parallel? Yeah, but unlike the other candidates the Devils are 11th in Franchise Value and were in the upper half for Gate Revenue in 2010 and I think in the top 10 for Overall Revenue.
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Post by swervinmervin on Sept 12, 2011 15:02:10 GMT -6
I noticed this article as well. I just posted it as a new thread, with the same question that you raised - is this Eklund's mystery relocation team? WOW! I had no idea that the Devils were in such bad shape. If they are this bad, who isn't this bad, south of the 49th parallel? Yeah, but unlike the other candidates the Devils are 11th in Franchise Value and were in the upper half for Gate Revenue in 2010 and I think in the top 10 for Overall Revenue. Something doesn't add up. If they are doing relatively well in terms of revenues, why are they in such bad shape? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is interesting to me to speculate as to what's going on.
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Post by domi on Sept 12, 2011 15:15:01 GMT -6
Yeah, but unlike the other candidates the Devils are 11th in Franchise Value and were in the upper half for Gate Revenue in 2010 and I think in the top 10 for Overall Revenue. Something doesn't add up. If they are doing relatively well in terms of revenues, why are they in such bad shape? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is interesting to me to speculate as to what's going on. I think what Swirvinmervin was talking about was the team value, not team revenue. Team value takes into account the local hockey market and brand value. So the New Jersey Devils have value, even if their revenues have been in the dumps for a few years. Hey, anyone remember the Devils in the 80's? Google "Mickey Mouse Franchise Gretzky" - you'll see what I mean. Bettman is at the point where the league needs to make tough choices on which teams to keep, which to relocate, and which to fold. Teams in trouble include: 1) Florida Panthers 2) Columbus BlueJackets 3) Dallas Stars 4) New Jersey Devils 5) New York Islanders 6) Phonix Coyotes And I'm not that certain Tampa Bay, Carolina Buffalo or St. Louis are in good shape either. The NHL really lost focus in the late 90's and early part of this century. Now the hens have come home to roost.
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 15:16:39 GMT -6
Yeah, but unlike the other candidates the Devils are 11th in Franchise Value and were in the upper half for Gate Revenue in 2010 and I think in the top 10 for Overall Revenue. Something doesn't add up. If they are doing relatively well in terms of revenues, why are they in such bad shape? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is interesting to me to speculate as to what's going on. Well the Dodgers are bankrupt and the Mets are supposedly going to lose 60 million this year but although I haven't seen their revenues on Forbes, I'm sure they both do good in terms of revenue.
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Post by Douggy-D on Sept 12, 2011 15:17:43 GMT -6
Something doesn't add up. If they are doing relatively well in terms of revenues, why are they in such bad shape? I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is interesting to me to speculate as to what's going on. I think what Swirvinmervin was talking about was the team value, not team revenue. Team value takes into account the local hockey market and brand value. So the New Jersey Devils have value, even if their revenues have been in the dumps for a few years. Hey, anyone remember the Devils in the 80's? Google "Mickey Mouse Franchise Gretzky" - you'll see what I mean. Bettman is at the point where the league needs to make tough choices on which teams to keep, which to relocate, and which to fold. Teams in trouble include: 1) Florida Panthers 2) Columbus BlueJackets 3) Dallas Stars 4) New Jersey Devils 5) New York Islanders 6) Phonix Coyotes And I'm not that certain Tampa Bay, Carolina Buffalo or St. Louis are in good shape either. The NHL really lost focus in the late 90's and early part of this century. Now the hens have come home to roost. Nope, in 2010 they got $38 million in ticket revenue, which put them 14th or 15th. And they got $104 million in Total Revenue that year.
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Post by mrconfusion87 on Sept 12, 2011 19:26:13 GMT -6
One can argue that if Florida starts winning perhaps they will start generating fans. I don't believe for a second that the Panthers will be as good a market as even the Cali teams even if they were constant contenders for the Cup because as soon as they'll start to suck, the "fans" there will disappear as quickly as they came! Kinda like the Coyotes for most part!
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