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Post by phillymike on Dec 23, 2013 9:42:36 GMT -6
Well......that sure didn't last long! LOL!!! Phil Robertson Will Return To 'Duck Dynasty' Episodes In January!! www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/21/phil-robertson-duck-dynasty-return_n_4485646.htmlTo all those that did not realize that this was/is all a PR stunt, A&E set up the interview with GQ, there was an A&E representative present during the interview, A&E could have kiboshed the whole thing, but they went public with it, caused a media frenzy, and now a franchise program and a network that was starting to become stagnant is front and centre!! And ratings will go through the roof!!! SUCKAS!!! This is not a PR stunt, this is A&E being told if he goes we go, and along with that goes your #1 show. Money talks BS walks! Right, Wrong, or indifferent that's the way it is. I disagree, the whole thing was manipulated from the start. IMO. It's Miss Kay's birthday today!!!
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Post by Tim on Dec 23, 2013 10:07:37 GMT -6
This is not a PR stunt, this is A&E being told if he goes we go, and along with that goes your #1 show. Money talks BS walks! Right, Wrong, or indifferent that's the way it is. I disagree, the whole thing was manipulated from the start. IMO. It's Miss Kay's birthday today!!! To touchy a subject to use as a publicity stunt IMO, then again they put Honey Boo Boo on T.V. can't get much worse then that. Love to here some of those outtakes!
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Post by jetsorbust on Dec 23, 2013 10:35:57 GMT -6
He believes in hating gays apparently. Watch some of his sermons. I think that closes this case. Good riddance. I think the show sucks so I don't really care... but I don't think he said anything hateful towards ga.ys, that just that was wrong to be g.ay. "We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus – whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists" "My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together," he said. "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity." So clearly he thinks it is wrong to be that way, but he doesn't seem to be promoting hate in any way shape or form to me. People might be disapointed that a popular person is not showing tolerance, which yes could obviously lead to more people not being tolerant and many intolerant people have hatred. But he clearly didn't try to spread hatred, so in many ways this is just much ado about nothing. I really don't have a pony in this race... but I would say most people that are worked up about it are just worked up about this "debate" in general, not the specific comments he made.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Dec 23, 2013 10:49:25 GMT -6
"Persons" aren't characterized as sins. Acts are. m. In this case, the genetic make up of a person. You can split hairs and say no one is calling a Homosexual person a sinner per se, only the homosexual acts but thats a subtle change to soften the underlying prejudice. The point here is that this isnt about freedom of expression as this clown is perfectly within his rights to spout whatever nonesense pops into his head, but that doesnt mean there arent consequences. Plenty of people spout racist things but we dont defend it because its their "right". The "man-boy love" people claim freedom of expression but who's defending their "rights"? (as an aside one expert I read about suggested the Bible passage the DD guy was quoting had been mis-translated in English versions and actually referred to Older men being with young boys and not homosexuality, and that DD just didnt understand what he was saying. The example of the PR person illustrates this quite clearly. What she said was not particularly hateful, it was not directed at anyone specific. One could argue she wasnt being malicious at all. But it was 100% unacceptable and she paid the price. She also apologized. No one is defending her right to free speech or threating to kill her boss who fired her. Why? because most people accept her remarks as wrong. They can't defend what she said. In the Duck Dynasty case, there are likely many people who dont care what he said but are using it to advance an agenda. Anyone who believes in God and the Bible but holds the Bible up as God's Word is out of touch with the reality of a modern human species. Many Christians eat and touch pig, have short hair, use birth control, wear mixed fibres etc. If certain statements in the Bible can be excused then those people cant use "its in the Bible" as a reason to judge Homosexuals. Therefore, it's not an issue of religion, it's an issue of prejudice - people who look down upon homsexuals and/or believe they "choose" to be g-a-y, but wrap that opinion in the Church to escape rightful condemnation. We can debate the Bible all day (and someone like Deuce is far more likely to win a debate that involves scripture) but in 2013, we *know* people are born with their sexual oritentation and thus, judging them or advancing hate regardless of how subtle is akin to hating someone for the colour of their skin.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Dec 23, 2013 11:00:57 GMT -6
He believes in hating gays apparently. Watch some of his sermons. I think that closes this case. Good riddance. I think the show sucks so I don't really care... but I don't think he said anything hateful towards ga.ys, that just that was wrong to be g.ay. "We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus – whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists" "My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together," he said. "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity." So clearly he thinks it is wrong to be that way, but he doesn't seem to be promoting hate in any way shape or form to me. People might be disapointed that a popular person is not showing tolerance, which yes could obviously lead to more people not being tolerant and many intolerant people have hatred. But he clearly didn't try to spread hatred, so in many ways this is just much ado about nothing. I really don't have a pony in this race... but I would say most people that are worked up about it are just worked up about this "debate" in general, not the specific comments he made. I honestly cant remember the quote and I cant bother going through his sermons to find it, but he was more harsh about homosexuals. Whats also being lost is his remarks about blacks. I understand your point but I also really believe that subtle remarks that marginlize any minority group cant be acceptable. it's too easy to say "I have lots of black friends, I just dont want one to marry by daughter" and people to say "well, I can understand that...thats not really hateful". The people that spew venom are easy to condemn. The sublte ones are more difficult to spot. My parents are actually VERY right wing conservative religous, regular church goers, involved in church programs, Bible study, Pastor over to the house etc. I asked my mom about people being g-a-y and she said "what do I care? You are what you are. You are born that way. Who am I to judge." She separates what's written in a book by man thousands of years ago and reality/common sense. the Bible is not God's word until someone proves God picked up a pen and wrote it. Dennis Miller also had a great response when asked how he can be in favour of conservative values and not come down against homosexuality and he said "who you sleep with is or love is about 37,523rd on my list of things to give a crap about" (or something to that effect). Tim - against my better judgement I watched a couple episodes of Honey Boo Boo. Horrible horrible programing (that is shockingly popular) but I will say that the kid in question is remarkably charismatic and talented.
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Post by phillymike on Dec 23, 2013 11:28:44 GMT -6
"I honestly cant remember the quote and I cant bother going through his sermons to find it, but he was more harsh about homosexuals."
If you can't remember the quote, how can you honestly say it was more harsh? You can't remember it! Yet you are trying to install it to make your point?
What are his remarks about blacks? What is being lost there?
What about his quote: I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me.
Here is another one: I love all of humanity.
Those quotes hold no bearing?
Here is a quote that currently is erroneously being attributed to Phil Robertson, but I do think it's fitting in this situation.
Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. Rick Warren
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Post by loogs on Dec 23, 2013 12:12:56 GMT -6
So let me get this right, Phil is exercising free speech, not hate speech??... if he was muslim would we even be having this discussion? ?... three cheers for religion!!! ha ha
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Post by phillymike on Dec 23, 2013 12:21:11 GMT -6
So let me get this right, Phil is exercising free speech, not hate speech?? That's right!
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Post by loogs on Dec 23, 2013 12:32:25 GMT -6
So let me get this right, Phil is exercising free speech, not hate speech?? That's right! When the Taliban say the same things regarding homosexuals , women and the infidels, we invade and destroy, so Phil just has the "right" god I assume?
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Post by phillymike on Dec 23, 2013 12:54:26 GMT -6
When the Taliban same the same things regarding homosexuals , women and the infidels, we invade and destroy, so Phil just has the "right" god I assume? I missed the part where "we" invaded and destroyed the Taliban for saying the same thing as Phil Robertson regarding homosexuals, women and the infidels. I must have been pretty busy that month to miss that. Was that in August? I was pretty busy in August. In Phil's mind he has the right God. Who am I or anyone else to tell him different?
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Post by Tim on Dec 23, 2013 12:54:56 GMT -6
I think the show sucks so I don't really care... but I don't think he said anything hateful towards ga.ys, that just that was wrong to be g.ay. "We just love 'em, give 'em the good news about Jesus – whether they're homosexuals, drunks, terrorists" "My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the Bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together," he said. "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity." So clearly he thinks it is wrong to be that way, but he doesn't seem to be promoting hate in any way shape or form to me. People might be disapointed that a popular person is not showing tolerance, which yes could obviously lead to more people not being tolerant and many intolerant people have hatred. But he clearly didn't try to spread hatred, so in many ways this is just much ado about nothing. I really don't have a pony in this race... but I would say most people that are worked up about it are just worked up about this "debate" in general, not the specific comments he made. I honestly cant remember the quote and I cant bother going through his sermons to find it, but he was more harsh about homosexuals. Whats also being lost is his remarks about blacks. I understand your point but I also really believe that subtle remarks that marginlize any minority group cant be acceptable. it's too easy to say "I have lots of black friends, I just dont want one to marry by daughter" and people to say "well, I can understand that...thats not really hateful". The people that spew venom are easy to condemn. The sublte ones are more difficult to spot. My parents are actually VERY right wing conservative religous, regular church goers, involved in church programs, Bible study, Pastor over to the house etc. I asked my mom about people being g-a-y and she said "what do I care? You are what you are. You are born that way. Who am I to judge." She separates what's written in a book by man thousands of years ago and reality/common sense. the Bible is not God's word until someone proves God picked up a pen and wrote it. Dennis Miller also had a great response when asked how he can be in favour of conservative values and not come down against homosexuality and he said "who you sleep with is or love is about 37,523rd on my list of things to give a crap about" (or something to that effect). Tim - against my better judgement I watched a couple episodes of Honey Boo Boo. Horrible horrible programing (that is shockingly popular) but I will say that the kid in question is remarkably charismatic and talented. Turned it on watched a couple episodes to see what it's all about, shook head and will never watch again unless maybe if I'm loaded. This is come from a guy who loves Family Guy, South Park, and the Simpsons.
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Post by phillymike on Dec 23, 2013 13:03:05 GMT -6
Turned it on watched a couple episodes to see what it's all about, shook head and will never watch again unless maybe if I'm loaded. This is come from a guy who loves Family Guy, South Park, and the Simpsons. That whole Brian dying thing was all orchestrated in the name of ratings to!
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Post by LTZ on Dec 23, 2013 13:03:35 GMT -6
When the Taliban say the same things regarding homosexuals , women and the infidels, we invade and destroy, so Phil just has the "right" god I assume? Reaching a bit there... Were the Taliban just saying things about the groups you mention? Bin Laden and his crew were just saying things? Interesting. I wonder how many people's heads Phil Robertson has hacked off and broadcast over the internet. Or how many public places he's bombed. Or how many women he's stoned to death...etc, etc, etc. C'mon man.
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Post by loogs on Dec 23, 2013 13:09:12 GMT -6
When the Taliban same the same things regarding homosexuals , women and the infidels, we invade and destroy, so Phil just has the "right" god I assume? I missed the part where "we" invaded and destroyed the Taliban for saying the same thing as Phil Robertson regarding homosexuals, women and the infidels. I must have been pretty busy that month to miss that. Was that in August? I was pretty busy in August. In Phil's mind he has the right God. Who am I or anyone else to tell him different? I am As I have always said I truly fear for the individual who walks up to my children and tells them to believe in what they say or" burn in hell forever"... it's child abuse and in my kids life time it will become illegal to threaten children with eternal damnation for not believing in a sky god.In fact 50yrs from now people will look back at it as we do regarding slavery and womens rights "what were they thinking?"... *shaking head* this I promise. ps The last 2 wars the US entered were about oil, but sold as "we will free you from and get back at those religious fundamentalists for 911" ie the Taliban..... cause they have the wrong god.
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Post by The Unknown Poster on Dec 23, 2013 13:13:29 GMT -6
"I honestly cant remember the quote and I cant bother going through his sermons to find it, but he was more harsh about homosexuals." If you can't remember the quote, how can you honestly say it was more harsh? You can't remember it! Yet you are trying to install it to make your point? What are his remarks about blacks? What is being lost there? What about his quote: I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. Here is another one: I love all of humanity. Those quotes hold no bearing? Here is a quote that currently is erroneously being attributed to Phil Robertson, but I do think it's fitting in this situation. Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate. Rick Warren I read and listened to a lot. I believe he called homosexuals an "abomination" in one of his speeches. The point being *if* one takes the position that all he said was "its in the Bible as a sin", he does expand on that and clearly believes being homosexual is wrong which is no different from thinking being black is wrong or being a woman is wrong. His remarks about blacks were along the lines of they were happier before civil rights and that he worked with many blacks in the fields in the south years ago and they were all happy. Which when you understand the point he's making is indicative of some very deep-rooted racism. I know that to a degree, society gives a pass to some of the old southern folks who grew up in a different time but racism is racism, even if Phil is "a nice guy". You cant contribute to prejudice against a minority group *and* claim to love all of humanity. If he loved all of humanity, he would never say, imply or otherwise do anything that contributes to the victimization of people for their sexual orientation. And you certainly would detest that you comments were being used by the hate lobby. The far right Christians are using this to advance their agenda when they should be denouncing him for bringing ill repute to their legitimate beliefs. It is *not* a freedom of religion issue at all. The outcry is not an attack on religion because no one is saying he can't be a Christian or believe what he believes. it's the opposite - its homosexuals who are being attacked, regardless of how subtle and that is wrong. A lot of people agreed with Hitler. They were wrong.
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