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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 1, 2014 13:25:42 GMT -6
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 1, 2014 18:40:36 GMT -6
^^^ That's a big part of it. Still IF Oakland doesn't cave in and IF he doesn't want to sell to LA and IF he wants to keep the team and San Antonio offers to get totally screwed over things could get serious.
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 1, 2014 18:43:32 GMT -6
^^^ That's an ok option if that's all you can afford as a last resort but I'd rather see a new stadium in either downtown Buffalo or Niagara Falls. If Pegula gets it he will try for a domed stadium downtown. He is already building a development around the hockey arena. He's trying to revive downtown. FYI, at soldier field they demolished everything except the historic collinades, at lambeau they did the opposite. They kept the historic bleachers/seating bowl but demolished the outside of the stadium(Lambeau used to have green aluminum on the outside) and expanded the concorses/built the atrium. do us a favour please. on Bomber GameDay, do not bump the Bombers Thread. thanks. Sorry, I don't follow CFL so I don't know the schedule but if I'm posting on gameday just warn me.
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Post by Lions67 on Aug 1, 2014 18:44:52 GMT -6
do us a favour please. on Bomber GameDay, do not bump the Bombers Thread. thanks. Sorry, I don't follow CFL so I don't know the schedule but if I'm posting on gameday just warn me. no worries and fair enough!
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Post by mikecubs on Aug 1, 2014 19:05:47 GMT -6
Well its completely different, here we are saying the guaranteed outcome is the team stays under terry pegula. Totally different because pegula is a loon and will pay a ton for the team and im making this judgement on what i know legally about trust law and the duties of a trustee. I think the standard is on my side here as opposed to coyotes where the standard was the team stays unless, here im on the side of team staying. I will never question your legal opinion and training because I have none, but you don't think the Toronto group has legal counsel who would tell them to not waste their time if it was ironclad? And again, I find it very unlikely the Bills would move. I just always question anyone's stance where there's an appearance of overconfidence (that's my Coyote's tie-in). I will say this, though... reading through this thread is exactly why I cringe when I read staunch Canadian hockey fans cry foul that "our" game is being promoted (in vain) and forced into some non-traditional markets. There's a real sense of "Football is America's game, dammit!" reading between the lines here. Ignoring the fact that football has been played "professionally" for 100+ years up here. YA, that's the key and entire point we are trying to make. You have your own freaking league and NFL isn't wanted by enough Canadians. This isn't like NBA or MLB coming to Canada where you don't have a serious basketball or baseball league of your own. It's not true at all that me and Bruinsfan are similar to pro-Canadian nationalist who want to move every southern team to Canada. We've been pretty pro-Canada. Were both in favor MLB returning to Montreal(if a stadium is built and a team is available someday). I'm in favor of NBA returning to Vancouver in the future when it gets a little bit bigger, Bruinsfan is in favor of it returning even faster I think. At one point we were even crazy enough to suggest NBA to Montreal until we figured out Montreal is almost entirely white and lacks rich Asians like Toronto/Vancouver. It's Bruinsfan who is 100% guaranteeing the Bills stay. I'm not making that guarantee. Roger Goodall sucks as commissioner so I wouldn't ever rule anything out. Wouldn't shock me in a decade to see the NFL playing before empty houses in Toronto, London and a crappy crowd in Oakland in their new 59,000 seat minor league stadium and still have no team in LA. What I'm saying is if Bon Jovi buys the bills it will be a total debacle. It's unlikely a stadium in Toronto ever gets funded. All the options are bad if Bon Jovi buys the bills. Option A- He buys them. Attendance in Buffalo falls to levels that would horrify a Coyote fan until 2019. In 2019 Bon Jovi talks to Toronto they tell him they aren't funding a stadium. Then the team is stuck in limbo. Bon Jovi keeps pushing for Toronto they keep saying no and the Bills play before an empty house year after year. Option B- He buys the team. They find the right sucker mayor to fund the stadium. Attendance is pitiful because no one cares. Option C- The most unlikely. He buys the team. Buffalo attendance crators. He gets a stadium in Toronto. By some miracle it works(LOL). The NFL now has a foothold in Canada. CFL dies in Toronto completely. Without the corporate support of Toronto the CFL dies in time. NFL figures the have Canada covered. Rest of Canada goes without football. Or NFL tries to expand further into Canada(LOL) and taxpayers get stuck funding billion dollar plus stadiums in multiple cities. Bankruptcy here we come. None of these options are good for either Canadians or US fans. IF the Bills move to Toronto I think we all lose.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 2, 2014 16:20:03 GMT -6
If the bills sell to pegula for 1.2 billion, i dont know whow a guy like mark davis would be so dumb to not just sell the team. they arent incredibly wealthy. selling that team sets up the family for life in a way owning the team does not.
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 3, 2014 1:22:21 GMT -6
With the Rogers bid, I'm wondering if part of the reason they're doing so is to be able to start their telecommunications corp in the states with the foothold from the nfl. San Antonio is being used like Seattle was being used by Katz to get an new arena built in Edmonton. He isn't really considering it now but if Oakland doesn't cave and he can't get a favourable deal in place in la, then he will consider San Antonio as a last resort.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 4, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -6
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Post by wolfmannick on Aug 4, 2014 22:53:48 GMT -6
^ The Toronto group's bid was slim to none to begin with. Even if Pegula had a lower bid his genuine attempt to keep the team in the Buffalo area long-term is what the League wants. He is the kind of owner who makes a team and a league stronger through committment to a market. The Toronto group is almost trying to Balsille a team into Toronto and look how many major teams Balsille has ever owned. You can't just trhow money around and get what you want in sports anymore, atleast not when you are trying to get into a League.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 5:11:12 GMT -6
Pegulas bid was possibly 400 million higher
PEople dont realize how much money he has
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 13:44:15 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 13:46:47 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 14:02:57 GMT -6
so assessment of all the news.
The toronto group is being asked to resubmit because only 3 were submitted, They want more competition so right now this is pretty much an auction, going once, going twice? SOld.
golisano may join late but the toronto group has assessed the value of the team and that Lease has scared away anyone willing to bid a substantial amount and try and relocate. The toronto bid was under a billion? not going to cut it. At this point its about trying to drive pegulas price up...but he appears to have them by the nuts.
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 19:58:21 GMT -6
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Post by Bruinsfan on Aug 5, 2014 20:14:32 GMT -6
"Our team truly is a leader in the domestic oil and gas industry," Pegula said. "Our affiliate companies still retain significant oil and gas assets in Colorado, Wyoming, New York, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.
Translation....I wont stop selling Crap until the team is mine, back off now so i vote for you when you try to join the nfl in the future
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