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Post by sting on Jun 25, 2015 21:16:55 GMT -6
Not going to happen. Columbus is very close to Pittsburgh and fought hard to move East. They will not accept going back to a West time zone with games starting at 10:30 at night from the Pacific Division. By the way the Islanders are not changing the name of the team. Columbus will have to move back to the West, to balance the Conferences. Illitch and the Red Wings have too much pull, and fought hard to be in the east, so Columbus is the odd team out, if Phoenix relocates to Quebec. I don't think the Islanders will change their name immediately, but I think it will happen sooner or later. It makes sense, as Brooklyn has 2,500,000 people to draw from, and they most likel would like to be distinct from the more popular Rangers. I will bet you a dollar per year. In 2018-19, they will be called "Brooklyn." Phoenix won't relocate to Quebec. It will be Florida. Phoenix will move to Seattle. That is why the NHL is fighting to stay in Phoenix until Seattle is ready for them. Las Vegas will get an expansion team. Also one new expansion team will come to the Central division. It will be Houston, Kansas City or second Toronto team. The Leafs might be willing to let a second team in the Toronto area if they are told they have to play in the West in the Central division.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 23:59:48 GMT -6
Columbus will have to move back to the West, to balance the Conferences. Illitch and the Red Wings have too much pull, and fought hard to be in the east, so Columbus is the odd team out, if Phoenix relocates to Quebec. I don't think the Islanders will change their name immediately, but I think it will happen sooner or later. It makes sense, as Brooklyn has 2,500,000 people to draw from, and they most likel would like to be distinct from the more popular Rangers. I will bet you a dollar per year. In 2018-19, they will be called "Brooklyn." Phoenix won't relocate to Quebec. It will be Florida. Phoenix will move to Seattle. That is why the NHL is fighting to stay in Phoenix until Seattle is ready for them. Las Vegas will get an expansion team. Also one new expansion team will come to the Central division. It will be Houston, Kansas City or second Toronto team. The Leafs might be willing to let a second team in the Toronto area if they are told they have to play in the West in the Central division. Seattle doesn't have an arena or ownership group, that will buy the Coyotes. Quebec has an ownership group, and a new 18,000 seat arena opening in September. The NHL will go to Quebec if Glendale wins it's court case, and breaks it's lease with the Coyotes hockey club.
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Post by sting on Jun 26, 2015 10:52:26 GMT -6
Phoenix won't relocate to Quebec. It will be Florida. Phoenix will move to Seattle. That is why the NHL is fighting to stay in Phoenix until Seattle is ready for them. Las Vegas will get an expansion team. Also one new expansion team will come to the Central division. It will be Houston, Kansas City or second Toronto team. The Leafs might be willing to let a second team in the Toronto area if they are told they have to play in the West in the Central division. Seattle doesn't have an arena or ownership group, that will buy the Coyotes. Quebec has an ownership group, and a new 18,000 seat arena opening in September. The NHL will go to Quebec if Glendale wins it's court case, and breaks it's lease with the Coyotes hockey club. You made my point for me. Seattle not having a arena is why the NHL is pushing to stay in Arizona until the Seattle arena is ready. The NHL will try and remain in Arizona in the near future. Who knows how long the court case will drag on. No team will move this year, way to late for that to happen.
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Post by Grumpz on Jun 26, 2015 13:54:23 GMT -6
The amount of definitive comments regarding the NHL on this topic is mind blowing.
There's only 3 sure things in life, we all know the first two...the third is THE NHL will do things to blow everyone's mind and baffle great minds like Hawking.
2014/15 - The official return of the "White Out"!!
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Post by wolfmannick on Jun 26, 2015 15:39:47 GMT -6
The only thing we know is the NHL desperatley wants teams in vegas and Seattle and isn't willing to move the Panthers and Coyotes to do so. I expect those two American cities to get the teams.
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Post by donwood on Jul 17, 2015 17:15:43 GMT -6
NO bid from Seattle SEATTLE - Three sources confirmed Friday that prospective Seattle NHL owner Victor Coleman will not submit an expansion bid by the league's mandated deadline. The NHL set Monday, July 20 as the deadline in the first "phase" of the expansion process, and has told prospective groups it will require a down payment in addition to the application. Sources close the process have confirmed that includes a $10 million payment, with $2 million of it non-refundable. A source involved from the Seattle effort said Friday the Coleman group had told the NHL it wanted to finalize the arena site before submitting an application. The same source also indicated Vancouver, B.C., native Coleman hoped to "fast track" the expansion process once a land deal is completed. Coleman's camp, according to sources, also indicated it is still committed to bringing an NHL franchise to Seattle. Coleman has said for months that he wants to work out a deal to allow for a hockey team to play in a potential new arena in Seattle's SoDo neighborhood. Investor Chris Hansen, who owns the land south of Safeco Field, has said publicly that he has not received a formal offer. However, sources with both sides say the two have exchanged proposals in recent weeks to no avail. Hansen's proposal, first approved by the Seattle and King County Councils in 2012, still needs final approval from the design review board and a street vacation approval from the Seattle City Council. Hansen could not be reached for comment. That deal, approved back in 2012, only calls for public financing if Hansen acquires an NBA team. It would require an amendment or alteration if an NHL team was acquired. The lack of a bid, at least on the surface, appears to be a setback for Seattle's NHL hopes and may open a door for a group in Tukwila. Connecticut-based investment banker Ray Bartoszek has an option to purchase a swath of land near Southcenter Mall for a privately financed NBA/NHL arena. The city of Tukwila has begun the environmental review of the project and Bartoszek's camp has indicated it believes construction could begin by late this year or in early 2016. It's not clear if Bartoszek intends to submit an application on Monday either. www.king5.com/story/sports/2015/07/17/nhl-seattle-monday-expansion-arena/30315745/
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 17, 2015 18:22:27 GMT -6
Possible backroom deal for the coyotes?
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 17, 2015 18:39:35 GMT -6
This is absolutely HORRIBLE news Coleman and Hansen can't work out a deal. Bettman is going to pick that suburb and we are going to have Glendale 2.0 on steroids. This may also destroy NBA to Seattle. If the suburb is picked for NHL and Hansen still wants the downtown arena for NBA the city won't approve it. I'm not sure the NBA goes to the suburbs. They only have one suburban arena in the league(Detroit) and the owner of the Pistons is talking about moving downtown to the Red Wings arena. If the suburb is picked the NBA may figure Seattle is better off as leverage to get arena deals in the future in Atlanta/Phoenix and just skip Seattle. I would if I was in their shoes.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 17, 2015 19:00:24 GMT -6
I think a big part of Seattle's problem besides the Seattle City council/Bettmans love of suburbia is Chris Hansen. By not playing nice with Coleman he's screwing himself and killing his arena plan for sure. The guy is also VERY lazy. He was late with paperwork, still doesn't have the arena 100% shovel ready and won't until early next year at least. And I bet when early next year comes he still won't have it shovel ready and it will be I need more time wait another year or 2. The guy isn't a finisher. He's one of those guys in life who shoots his mouth off on all this stuff he's going to accomplish and never gets anything done. He's just too laid back.
Seattle would be best off if both the suburban idiot Ray B. and Hansen both went away and they started over from scratch. Find someone who has motivation/grabs the bull by the horns type person and get something done downtown.
NHL should expand to Vegas and Quebec. Screw suburban Seattle. I'd put them below even freaking Portland.
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Post by donwood on Jul 17, 2015 19:37:37 GMT -6
Possible backroom deal for the coyotes? No way with a new arena still not even in the works/
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 17, 2015 21:30:20 GMT -6
I think a big part of Seattle's problem besides the Seattle City council/Bettmans love of suburbia is Chris Hansen. By not playing nice with Coleman he's screwing himself and killing his arena plan for sure. The guy is also VERY lazy. He was late with paperwork, still doesn't have the arena 100% shovel ready and won't until early next year at least. And I bet when early next year comes he still won't have it shovel ready and it will be I need more time wait another year or 2. The guy isn't a finisher. He's one of those guys in life who shoots his mouth off on all this stuff he's going to accomplish and never gets anything done. He's just too laid back. Seattle would be best off if both the suburban idiot Ray B. and Hansen both went away and they started over from scratch. Find someone who has motivation/grabs the bull by the horns type person and get something done downtown. NHL should expand to Vegas and Quebec. Screw suburban Seattle. I'd put them below even freaking Portland. I completely agree. Hansen just continues to screw seattle. I have a feeling the NBA knows it can wait for Seattle and will wait for someone else to call for a team. PLus ballmer being out now really hurts them. I do fear Gary will want tukwila
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Post by wolfmannick on Jul 17, 2015 21:48:50 GMT -6
^ Hansen is the nba version of balsille. Just throw money around and yell I want a team that's not how it works. Hopefully e suburban Seattle arena never happens.
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 17, 2015 21:59:29 GMT -6
I think a big part of Seattle's problem besides the Seattle City council/Bettmans love of suburbia is Chris Hansen. By not playing nice with Coleman he's screwing himself and killing his arena plan for sure. The guy is also VERY lazy. He was late with paperwork, still doesn't have the arena 100% shovel ready and won't until early next year at least. And I bet when early next year comes he still won't have it shovel ready and it will be I need more time wait another year or 2. The guy isn't a finisher. He's one of those guys in life who shoots his mouth off on all this stuff he's going to accomplish and never gets anything done. He's just too laid back. Seattle would be best off if both the suburban idiot Ray B. and Hansen both went away and they started over from scratch. Find someone who has motivation/grabs the bull by the horns type person and get something done downtown. NHL should expand to Vegas and Quebec. Screw suburban Seattle. I'd put them below even freaking Portland. I completely agree. Hansen just continues to screw seattle. I have a feeling the NBA knows it can wait for Seattle and will wait for someone else to call for a team. PLus ballmer being out now really hurts them. I do fear Gary will want tukwila What the NBA should do is make it 100% clear that they aren't going to Tukwila. It would completely screw Ray B. Good luck funding a suburban NHL only arena in a questionable market as it is. If this gets built Seattle city council is going to back out on an NBA only arena even if Hansen gets his crap together. Then NBA can't come back to Seattle successfully. The will be left with the choice of Tukwila or not come back. You are correct. Even if Hansen wasn't a clown and had everything 100% shovel ready and was willing to make a deal with Coleman Gary would have picked Tukwila anyway. In any market if it comes down to downtown vs. the suburbs Gary will pick the suburbs. We all know that. He only picks downtown when it's the only option. Downtown is a last resort. Remember the show in Living Color when they had those "Fire marshall bill" skits? Insane fire marshall bill would try and teach fire safety but would make up these impossible scenarios then do the opposite thing of what he was trying to accomplish and start a massive fire. It was always "Let me show ya something", make up impossible scenario, then he'd start a fire. "Firemarshall Gary" is very similar to this only he's a real person. He's trying to grow the game supposedly in the US but he does these insane things(suburban arenas) to major markets totally killing them doing totally the opposite of what he's trying to accomplish. Once he's wiped out Seattle in short order that will be 3 of 16 of the biggest markets in the US that he's killed with his suburbia crap. I really how long until we hear talk of the NHL expanding to The Woodlands bypassing Houston?
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Post by mikecubs on Jul 17, 2015 22:05:03 GMT -6
^ Hansen is the nba version of balsille. Just throw money around and yell I want a team that's not how it works. Hopefully e suburban Seattle arena never happens. I don't know if that comparison is 100% accurate but it's close. Hansen has now had 3 NHL potential partners and all 3 turned him down.(Victor Coleman, Don Levin, Ray B.) My guess is he wants the vast majority of revenue from an NHL team. Kind of like the deal Jerry Colengelo had with the Coyotes when they played at American West. The other thing that gets me is he spent all his freaking time trying to sabotage the Sacramento arena. How about getting your arena shovel ready instead of screwing with other markets? The Sacramento arena has the steel frame mostly up and that joker Hansen still hasn't got final approvals. LOL
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Post by Bruinsfan on Jul 18, 2015 6:52:58 GMT -6
I dont see how hansen cant understand that an NHL first plan gets the ball rolling and ups the chance of an nba expansion franchise in quicker fashion. I think it is a pride thing with him, he wants to be the guy who brought the sonics back couldnt care les about bringing another team to seattle.
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