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Post by wolfmannick on Jun 5, 2016 15:12:54 GMT -6
^ oh god "2 more weeks"
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 5, 2016 23:37:33 GMT -6
Maybe sooner then later..... Inside source or pure speculation? I mean all that's going on right now does eerily resemble what happened with the whole PHX/WPG/ATL situation. Now it seems we have a situation with CAR/QUE/ARZ. With everybody assuming it is the Hurricanes to Quebec, I wouldn't be surprised that it is Phoenix on the move to Quebec, Hurricanes eventually shipped to Seattle once the arena is sorted out. In my eyes, the Coyotes appear to be the ones in 'imminent' danger of moving as the Coyotes are the ones without an arena to play in at seasons end next year.. Even if a new arena is ever worked out somewhere in the valley, it would take at least 3 years before it is built and ready to host a hockey team? However, if both Seattle and Quebec City are used as relocation sites (assuming that ARZ and CAR actually are in trouble), it still leaves us with a 31 team league, likely an empty spot in the Central division. Kansas City? Houston? Seattle has been sorted out. It's OVER. Seattle is DEAD DEAD DEAD. The Port won. They bought off the city council. Dumb Seattle people believe the Seattle times. The times is also on the Port payroll. The spin is wanting an arena in Seattle equals sexism because a few Seattle fans sent nasty e-mails to the female council members. The issue is too toxic to touch right now. Hansen is talking of getting things approved is a few DECADES. KC is too small for a 3rd team. Houston would be great but Alexander don't want a team. Other than Quebec Houston is the best open market. For all the Seattle talk even if they did get a new arena Houston would be a far better market. Seattle would have been one of the smallest 4 team markets with an arena almost 100% privately financed. Houston is far bigger, is growing far faster, has way more fortune 1000 companies(56 to 15) and their arena was 100% publicly funded. Plus Houston has the minor league history with the Aeros. I think the league is going to screw Quebec. I don't think they want Quebec because it's a small foreign language speaking city. I don't think Carolina is bad off enough to be moved. Coyotes are in deep trouble though. What I think the league was planning on doing was a 1 team expansion to one of Vegas/Seattle and moving the Coyotes to the one left out. Seattle city council/dumb Seattle people who love the Seattle times and believe everything they read screwed up everything. I think they will move the Coyotes to Vegas and say gee we wanted to go to Quebec but we had to cancel expansion because we had to move the Coyotes. We can't expand to Quebec because there will be a 17-14 imbalance. Plus they will blame the Canadian dollar even though historically it hasn't been on par with the US dollar much.
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Post by wolfmannick on Jun 6, 2016 0:20:42 GMT -6
^ the only thing that might make Carolina relocate is ownership. Karmanos has been seeking partners for years apparently and come up with nothing. I don't think his kids want to own the team so if they move that is the reason why. Otherwise spot on on everything brother. Well said.
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 6, 2016 1:59:13 GMT -6
Actually Karmanos did find minority partners a few years ago. I posted something on it. This was before the new CBA and Canadian TV deal. I'll have to go back and find it sometime. The problem for Karmanos is that he can't find partners at his insane price/demands. That's a bit different than not finding someone outright ala the Coyotes(without subsidy) or the Thrashers. I can't see a sports league letting a team relocate because of that but I could be wrong. Especially with a lease that goes to 2024 and a still newish building. Karmanos himself said they have a great lease and they'd be insane to move. The family fighting stuff has happened in other sports(see New Orleans Saints/Tom Benson vs. his kids).
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Post by Tim on Jun 6, 2016 5:52:42 GMT -6
Actually Karmanos did find minority partners a few years ago. I posted something on it. This was before the new CBA and Canadian TV deal. I'll have to go back and find it sometime. The problem for Karmanos is that he can't find partners at his insane price/demands. That's a bit different than not finding someone outright ala the Coyotes(without subsidy) or the Thrashers. I can't see a sports league letting a team relocate because of that but I could be wrong. Especially with a lease that goes to 2024 and a still newish building. Karmanos himself said they have a great lease and they'd be insane to move. The family fighting stuff has happened in other sports(see New Orleans Saints/Tom Benson vs. his kids). Great lease doesn't matter when you can't make the payments!
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Post by Tim on Jun 6, 2016 5:56:06 GMT -6
^ the only thing that might make Carolina relocate is ownership. Karmanos has been seeking partners for years apparently and come up with nothing. I don't think his kids want to own the team so if they move that is the reason why. Otherwise spot on on everything brother. Well said. It's the perfect fit for him, he still gets to keep part of his toy, and someone ends up paying off most of his dept, sounds like what a smart baseness man would do.
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Post by donwood on Jun 6, 2016 14:49:36 GMT -6
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Post by calgaryflames on Jun 6, 2016 16:55:22 GMT -6
Adding to that donwood is this.. FWIW twitter.com/murphyslaw74/sta...33875489640448 Spoke to two NHL executives today that believe the Carolina Hurricanes could be relocated to Las Vegas & expansion put on hold for now. — Jimmy Murphy (@murphyslaw74) June 6, 2016 Maybe there is truth, if I recall correctly, all the media and sources claim "Vegas is a green light", but nowhere has anybody said green light for expansion. Maybe they are a green light for a relocation, and it could be CAR? Maybe this is why "deferred expansion" even became an option?
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Post by donwood on Jun 6, 2016 17:57:50 GMT -6
Adding to that donwood is this.. FWIW twitter.com/murphyslaw74/sta...33875489640448 Spoke to two NHL executives today that believe the Carolina Hurricanes could be relocated to Las Vegas & expansion put on hold for now. — Jimmy Murphy (@murphyslaw74) June 6, 2016 Maybe there is truth, if I recall correctly, all the media and sources claim "Vegas is a green light", but nowhere has anybody said green light for expansion. Maybe they are a green light for a relocation, and it could be CAR? Maybe this is why "deferred expansion" even became an option? This is his new tweet: My NHL Expansion prediction: Vegas gets expansion team. Then Quebec gets relocation team, if not this year, then in next three.
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Post by mikecubs on Jun 7, 2016 8:51:44 GMT -6
Actually Karmanos did find minority partners a few years ago. I posted something on it. This was before the new CBA and Canadian TV deal. I'll have to go back and find it sometime. The problem for Karmanos is that he can't find partners at his insane price/demands. That's a bit different than not finding someone outright ala the Coyotes(without subsidy) or the Thrashers. I can't see a sports league letting a team relocate because of that but I could be wrong. Especially with a lease that goes to 2024 and a still newish building. Karmanos himself said they have a great lease and they'd be insane to move. The family fighting stuff has happened in other sports(see New Orleans Saints/Tom Benson vs. his kids). Great lease doesn't matter when you can't make the payments! Is it he can't make the payments? Or is it he wants an insane price for the market plus other insane demands like as part of the transition he gets final say for a while?
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Post by Tim on Jun 7, 2016 10:37:03 GMT -6
Great lease doesn't matter when you can't make the payments! Is it he can't make the payments? Or is it he wants an insane price for the market plus other insane demands like as part of the transition he gets final say for a while? He owes the NHL 300 Mill, and his kids cash too, what do you think?
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Post by JayR on Jun 7, 2016 12:14:31 GMT -6
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Post by wolfmannick on Jun 7, 2016 13:08:15 GMT -6
^ it's possible that the hurricanes are in danger of relocating but the nhl seems to be trying to cover that up as much as possible. If they were to move I'm sure the league would prefer they goto Vegas. Expansion is stupid at this point if they only go by one team Seattle is dead and other than Quebec they have no where to go since they don't want another team in ontario.
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Post by donwood on Jun 7, 2016 14:59:22 GMT -6
Las Vegas in, Quebec screwed, No relocation, No expansion. Bettman and the idiots on the executive committee deserve to have Carolina and Arizona implode and need relocation and Quebec says....FU.
No rational thinking what so ever, for anyone that doesn't have empathy for Quebec, think about what would have happened if Las Vegas would have been ready 5 years ago. We'd be screwed for eternity just as Quebec is. As long as you have total A**holes like Bettman, Daly, Karmanos (On the executive committee) only southern US cities need apply for expansion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 20:49:55 GMT -6
Karmanos was insane to move out of Hartford in the first place, without choosing a destination. You can read up on it here: sophia.smith.edu/~jeue/John/pete.htmlIt's a very interesting look at the first 3 years of the Canes existence (1997-2000)
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