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Post by hillman on Jul 4, 2017 6:25:22 GMT -6
I go B minus. I agree that Chevy fixed two holes that we all see as being critical to address but I think there may have been opportunities for Chevy to do something a bit more impactful like bringing in Travis Hamonic versus Kulikov. I know the price was more but when you get a guy on July 1st he is there for a reason. Calgary stole a Manitoba guy from us that would have gladly played in Winnipeg and has unbelievable character. Some of you may whine about the price on Hamonic but with Kulikov you will get what you payed for. I also would have been a little more aggressive with Alzner as his contract doesnt look that much bigger than Kulikov less term. Would rather have had Pickard than Mason but I can live with him. It's not the price of Hamonic it's the fit.Almost any center can play wing.Lots of wingers can play their off wing and some love it.Playing your off side On defense is a whole other kettle of fish.Its not easy,most don't like it.Many can't do it.It changes alot of stuff.We needed a LEFT side D.Now go out and find someone who is willing to come here,with a livable contract,that you can outbid other teams on or give up a top line forward for,or gamble our future on. Everyone seems to love what Treliving did but if Smith( I prefer Mason) doesn't pull this off they really screwed themselves over.He rolled the dice big time..
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Post by djk on Jul 4, 2017 7:31:30 GMT -6
I went with B+. Everyone, including us, identified LHD and G as our two biggest needs and he's gone and addressed that. He's gotten lambasted frequently for not "doing" anything but that can't be argued. Jury will obviously be out on these players but I think they are good fits for us. Kulikov looks like the stay at home D-man who can move the puck a bit that will suit playing with Buff perfectly in the 2nd pairing. Also solid bits of improvement by buying out Stuart and letting Thorburn, Peluso and other replaceable assets go.
We've sacrificed a small bit of the future (draft slide) to keep our current roster intact, added some missing bits and are poised to contend for the playoffs. I think anything less than a playoff berth next season should be considered a failure.
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Post by grumpy on Jul 4, 2017 9:28:04 GMT -6
Absolutely not. You would be willing to give the jets 1st round pick next year plus 2 seconds for a very similar quality d-man??!! If the Jets made this sort of trade right after they broke through into the playoffs and the future was shade-wearing bright they would not have Laine. NEVER NEVER trade next years first round pick. Kulikov was a better d-man than either Hamonic or Alzner in 2015-16. Playing with Ekblad. He was Florida's best d-man in their playoff series. He was brought into Buffalo to play 22-25 minutes a game on their top pairing with Ristolainen The Jets said they looked at his recovery and say he is ready to go. The Jets have done the impossible, they signed a for sure top-4 d-man who may be a top 2 as a UFA at a reasonable contract. Had Kulikov not been hurt all of last season he would have been getting 5.5-6 M rather than the 4.3 The Jets are getting ready to deal with Trouba and are in a much better position if they have to trade him. Myers/Kulikov/Morrissey/Byfuglien is a playoff level top 4. Right now they are at least an A and looking at an A+ (or a B) in how they handle Trouba's contract. Wow! You would pay Kulikov 6 million. Was he brought in to Buffalo to be -26 as well? Oh right! That isn't on him! Kulikov is going to be following you around for life Grumpy! And he is better than Alzner? Hmmmm. I will always take the WC boys over the Russians but let's see how you do with this one grumpy. Time will tell. I wonder how many other experts are giving Chevy and A or A plus. No I would pay Kulikov the 4.33 x 3 that he signed for. The normal UFA prices are too high for everyone. Based on his play the previous year he was a top-2 d-man playing important minutes on a playoff team. Based on his previous healthy season he showed to be a top-2 d-man on a Bubble team . Playing with Kulikov Ekblad was a 7.5 x 8 d-man +18 with 27 even strength pts.... the next year without Kulikov -23 with 12 ev strength points. A healthy Kulikov was a better d-man more important D-man than an healthy Alzner. Alzner would worry me as how does a big tough d-man (what he is getting paid for) not miss a game for 7 years. In his time with the Panthers Kulikov averaged 1.7 hits/ game. Alzner with the caps 1.3 .... From the reputation I would have thought Alzner would have a lot more hits/game than Kulikov. Impact of injury What was the value of Teemu Selanne in his 2nd year with the Jets? He dropped from 128 pts in 84 games and a +8 to 54 pts in 51 games and -26 . He had a chronic leg injury that he played through and played best with the leg numbed. In the playoffs Alzner played with a broken hand and 7 games he played 15 Minutes a game and was a -1.... with no points and 1 SOG. If you are not going to judge Alzner on his miserable end to his season (with a good reason) then you should not judge Kulikov in his injury season.
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Post by lenny on Jul 4, 2017 10:07:20 GMT -6
As I stated in another thread Kulikov had those two bad years in 2013-14 Florida and 2016-17 Buffalo but the latter team all the top forwards were in the minuses. In the Florida season the team was a disastrous 29 45 and 8. That got them their big pick Aaron Ekblad #1 overall. As I also showed playing with a bad team will give you bad stats. This is why Myers went from a -26 and -15 to plus hockey with the Jets the half-year he joined the Jets for the playoff season. That -26 Florida year the top forward, Nick Bjustad was -14, Tomas Fleischman -18, Sean Bergenheim -16 there was only 1 guy a plus player (+1) in their top ten point getters. What's a more telling stat that year was that in fact, despite the bad team his Corsi EV% was a very good 51.2.
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Post by hillman on Jul 4, 2017 16:34:50 GMT -6
Off season needs: Get through the expansion draft with minimal damage- check Bring in an experienced goalie to challenge and mentor- check Shore up the left side defense- check
That gets a A minus in my mind
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Post by bottsy on Jul 5, 2017 0:36:49 GMT -6
Ball is in Maurices court now! Chevy i feel has done his job building for a strong future but given him the pieces to win now. This team has the talent to win the cup. Its time to see some reward for out patience.
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Post by manilow78 on Jul 5, 2017 0:48:20 GMT -6
Wow! Good luck guys! Flames huge improvement! Dallas huge improvement! Even Vancouver tried to bring in some new elements. We brought in Kulikov and Mason and are hoping Myers may play a few games next year and you want to give Chevy A+ or A-. If Maurice can keep these guys glued together then I will be thrilled and apologize to you all but I am a little perplexed at how these two free agents merit a dynamic change and get us a playoff spot. B minus is generous.
Thanks for the bulls**t stats grumpy! Let's see how your Russian top pairing defender does in Winnipeg compared to Alzner in Montreal.
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Post by babs44 on Jul 5, 2017 6:09:34 GMT -6
Let's see if Mike Smith becomes old this year before we give the Flames the cup.
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Post by hillman on Jul 5, 2017 6:45:30 GMT -6
Wow! Good luck guys! Flames huge improvement! Dallas huge improvement! Even Vancouver tried to bring in some new elements. We brought in Kulikov and Mason and are hoping Myers may play a few games next year and you want to give Chevy A+ or A-. If Maurice can keep these guys glued together then I will be thrilled and apologize to you all but I am a little perplexed at how these two free agents merit a dynamic change and get us a playoff spot. B minus is generous. Thanks for the bulls**t stats grumpy! Let's see how your Russian top pairing defender does in Winnipeg compared to Alzner in Montreal. They didn't need a dramatic change.They needed tweaking.Thats what Chevy did.The top six on this team is among the best in the league.Shief-7th,Wheeler-11th, Laine 30th, Ehlers 30th, Little 47 points in 59 games.Radulov would be a 3rd or 4th line player on this team.Who would he bump out of that top six?Let's not pretend Alzner is a game breaking D man.I don't think Kulikov is either.Both can be decent D men who can move up and down the D lineup.
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Post by gobombersgo on Jul 5, 2017 8:16:19 GMT -6
Wow! Good luck guys! Flames huge improvement! Dallas huge improvement! Even Vancouver tried to bring in some new elements. We brought in Kulikov and Mason and are hoping Myers may play a few games next year and you want to give Chevy A+ or A-. If Maurice can keep these guys glued together then I will be thrilled and apologize to you all but I am a little perplexed at how these two free agents merit a dynamic change and get us a playoff spot. B minus is generous. Thanks for the bulls**t stats grumpy! Let's see how your Russian top pairing defender does in Winnipeg compared to Alzner in Montreal. Not much difference in giving the guy a B to a A. You make it sound like you are giving him a F and were all giving him an A like there some huge difference between what you are seeing and what we are seeing.
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Post by grumpy on Jul 5, 2017 9:13:38 GMT -6
Wow! Good luck guys! Flames huge improvement! Dallas huge improvement! Even Vancouver tried to bring in some new elements. We brought in Kulikov and Mason and are hoping Myers may play a few games next year and you want to give Chevy A+ or A-. If Maurice can keep these guys glued together then I will be thrilled and apologize to you all but I am a little perplexed at how these two free agents merit a dynamic change and get us a playoff spot. B minus is generous. Thanks for the bulls**t stats grumpy! Let's see how your Russian top pairing defender does in Winnipeg compared to Alzner in Montreal. It will be interesting to see how they do. Will Alzner be able to pick up the extra ice time that is his by default in Montreal? Will Kulikov adapt to his lesser role with the Jets. Montreal has 2 other defensemen that can be considered top 4 ... Weber and Petry. Their current #4 is Schlemko is a 30 year old journeyman who has never played top 4 minutes. On the Jets Kulikov is joining a defense that has 4 players that have played top 2 minutes (22+ Minutes a game) for extend periods... along with Morrissey who averaged almost 20 minutes with 12 games at over 22.
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Post by lenny on Jul 5, 2017 9:19:48 GMT -6
Wow! Good luck guys! Flames huge improvement! Dallas huge improvement! Even Vancouver tried to bring in some new elements. We brought in Kulikov and Mason and are hoping Myers may play a few games next year and you want to give Chevy A+ or A-. If Maurice can keep these guys glued together then I will be thrilled and apologize to you all but I am a little perplexed at how these two free agents merit a dynamic change and get us a playoff spot. B minus is generous. Thanks for the bulls**t stats grumpy! Let's see how your Russian top pairing defender does in Winnipeg compared to Alzner in Montreal. It will be interesting to see how they do. Will Alzner be able to pick up the extra ice time that is his by default in Montreal? Will Kulikov adapt to his lesser role with the Jets. Montreal has 2 other defensemen that can be considered top 4 ... Weber and Petry. Their current #4 is Schlemko is a 30 year old journeyman who has never played top 4 minutes. On the Jets Kulikov is joining a defense that has 4 players that have played top 2 minutes (22+ Minutes a game) for extend periods... along with Morrissey who averaged almost 20 minutes with 12 games at over 22. Speaking of Petry. He's a top 4 dman in Montreal. Just goes to show how things can change. He was a -22 and then -25 in his two last years with the Oilers. Those Oilers teams were crap.
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Post by grumpy on Jul 5, 2017 9:55:51 GMT -6
How does the line-up Chevy put together compare with the pundits darling Calgary Flames?
I don't see the Flames to have a significant roster advantage over what the Jets have put together...
Center
Mark Scheifele - Sean Monahan Bryan Little - Mikael Backlund Adam Lowry - Sam Bennett Andrew Copp - Matt Stajan
LW Mathieu Perreault - Johnny Gaudreau Nikolaj Ehlers - Matthew Tkachuk Shawn Matthias - Kris Versteeg Brandon Tanev - Garnet Hathaway
RW Blake Wheeler - Micheal Ferland Patrik Laine - Michael Frolik Joel Armia - Troy Brouwer Marko Dano - Curtis Lazar
Defense Dustin Byfuglien - Mark Giordano Jacob Trouba - Dougie Hamilton Dmitry Kulikov - Travis Hamonic Toby Enstrom - T.J. Brodie Josh Morrissey - Michael Stone Tyler Myers - Matt Bartkowski
Goalie Steve Mason - Mike Smith Connor Hellebuyck - Eddie Lack Michael Hutchinson - Jon Gillies
Spare parts Nick Petan - Freddie Hamilton Kyle Connor - Spencer Foo Brendan Lemieux - Mark Jankowski Jack Roslovic - Hunter Shinkaruk Ben Chairot - Brett Kulak Tucker Poolman - Tyler Wotherspoon
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Post by Grumpz on Jul 5, 2017 12:11:48 GMT -6
Calgary made more changes, but we've got kids who are really coming on now. Chevy didn't need to make dramatic changes, with the youth that's grabbing this team by the balls!! And you can't put a grade on that.
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Post by grumpy on Jul 5, 2017 13:14:35 GMT -6
Calgary made more changes, but we've got kids who are really coming on now. Chevy didn't need to make dramatic changes, with the youth that's grabbing this team by the balls!! And you can't put a grade on that. However you look at it the Jets have a line up that on paper is ready to run with the big boys. They are also stocked with young (under 25) quality support players (players outside the core) that have upside potential : Lowry/Armia/Dano/Connor/Morrissey/Petan that could be join of the young core (Scheifele, Ehlers, Laine, Trouba). The only players that may be on the downside are 32 year olds BufF and Enstrom and 30 year old Wheeler. Enstrom's contract being done at the end of this season opens up an extra 5.75M for Trouba (1M for the Enstrom replacement and adding the 4.75 to Trouba's 2.8 puts Trouba at 7.5+..... If Trouba plays this year like a 7.5+ player then the Jets will be very successful.
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