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Post by mikecubs on Sept 17, 2023 21:29:17 GMT -6
Sports culture in Canada, taken from MiNTEL: store.mintel.com/report/the-modern-sports-fan-canada-2022?_ga=2.245038467.789534911.1685052615-1643631228.1685052615Hockey has deep roots in Canada’s sports culture; however, basketball and soccer are growing in popularity. Hockey is the most followed sport in Canada by a large margin: 47% say they are fans. However, Gen Z are as likely to follow basketball as they are to follow hockey.Further, non-white Gen Z are twice as likely to follow basketball as hockey.Gen Z are just as likely to follow soccer as football or baseball Baseball vs. Hockey popularity (also taken from MiNTEL) While 47% of Canadians are hockey fans, approx. 50% are die-hard NHL fans, while approx. 50% are casual NHL fans. Meanwhile, while 22% of Canadians are baseball fans, only around 30% are die-hard MLB fans, while the other 70% are casual fans. 80% of baseball fans are hockey fans, 50% are basketball fans, and about 50% are football fans. Little League registration and baseball participation: Numerous new elite programs are investing in new baseball infrastructure, which has the potential to offer young players the ability to develop as well as introduce them to bigger opportunities. Little league registration increased by over 200% from 2016 to 2017, representing 100,000s of new young baseball participants. Baseball Canada reported that baseball registration numbers grew by 14% in all provinces in 2016; this is up from 2015 when participation grew by 8%. (it’s not clear whether this is little league participation or overall participation). Many attribute this rise in popularity to the Blue Jays' playoff run in 2015, and see new potential growth in the upcoming years with the team’s strong and popular squad. For comparison, basketball’s rise in popularity in Canada over the last two decades is attributed to Vincesanity and the Raptor’s playoff run in 2001, as well as the championship run in 2019. |
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 17, 2023 21:40:32 GMT -6
Off topic but only 6% of people in Quebec are hard core baseball fans
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 18, 2023 2:26:59 GMT -6
You think White people are the only ones interested in hockey? Reread my last post. Minorities like hockey just not at the same rate as whites. From what I saw they ranked hockey as their 3rd sport. Compare what a Raptors game looks like to a Leafs game. Again hockey isn't going to dry up and blow away you will certainly get a lot of minority fans and players too but things aren't going to be like 1980's. There's going to be a drop. Given that hockey starts from beyond clear number 1 you can certain afford a drop and be fine. But it's another reason the Leafs aren't going to allow a 2nd team. If the demographics would have stayed the same they still wouldn't allow a 2nd team. There's no reason for the NHL to steal fans from another team rather than create new fans in a new market. It has less to do with the colour of one's skin, and more to do with the disposable income of the people in question. White people are on average, the wealthiest group of people. However, there are exceptions. Ask any Indigenous people what their favourite sport is, and it is overwhelmingly hockey. With Asians, it's more of a matter of the size difference that prevents most of them from becoming NHL players. That does not necessarily mean they don't care for hockey. Look no further than the Sikh community. They absolutely love hockey, and have Sikh language radio and TV. With East Asians, hockey is still very popular. The only group of people where basketball is arguably #1 in viewership, would be the Black population. And once the Raptors start to stink, and the Leafs challenge for the cup, there will be another big gap between hockey and basketball viewership in Toronto. Ask anyone who lived in Toronto from 1985-93, and they can confirm that it was the Blue Jay and baseball that was the #1 sport for a considerable time. However, that faded once the Leafs became competitive, and the Jays began 20 years of mediocrity. |
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Post by iceland2018 on Sept 18, 2023 2:33:42 GMT -6
Off topic but only 6% of people in Quebec are hard core baseball fans In the early 80s, the Expos were very popular in Quebec. However, after the ownership dismantled the best young team in baseball after the 1994 strike, the sport never recovered in Montreal. For one thing, the new ownership group did not even attempt to promote their product. It was clear that Claude Brochu never had the intention of spending money on the team, both onfield and offield. Then when Loria acquired the team, he was hell bent on relocating the team. The slow demise of the Expos was one of the most tragic things even in Canadian sports. They deserved a better fate. |
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 18, 2023 4:22:48 GMT -6
Reread my last post. Minorities like hockey just not at the same rate as whites. From what I saw they ranked hockey as their 3rd sport. Compare what a Raptors game looks like to a Leafs game. Again hockey isn't going to dry up and blow away you will certainly get a lot of minority fans and players too but things aren't going to be like 1980's. There's going to be a drop. Given that hockey starts from beyond clear number 1 you can certain afford a drop and be fine. But it's another reason the Leafs aren't going to allow a 2nd team. If the demographics would have stayed the same they still wouldn't allow a 2nd team. There's no reason for the NHL to steal fans from another team rather than create new fans in a new market. It has less to do with the colour of one's skin, and more to do with the disposable income of the people in question. White people are on average, the wealthiest group of people. However, there are exceptions. Ask any Indigenous people what their favourite sport is, and it is overwhelmingly hockey. With Asians, it's more of a matter of the size difference that prevents most of them from becoming NHL players. That does not necessarily mean they don't care for hockey. Look no further than the Sikh community. They absolutely love hockey, and have Sikh language radio and TV. With East Asians, hockey is still very popular. The only group of people where basketball is arguably #1 in viewership, would be the Black population. And once the Raptors start to stink, and the Leafs challenge for the cup, there will be another big gap between hockey and basketball viewership in Toronto. Ask anyone who lived in Toronto from 1985-93, and they can confirm that it was the Blue Jay and baseball that was the #1 sport for a considerable time. However, that faded once the Leafs became competitive, and the Jays began 20 years of mediocrity. I agree it isn't the color of skin. It's that the culture/countries they come from aren't hockey cultures. And hockey costs a ton of $$$ to play. Basketball and soccer are cheap. The Blue Jays thing in the 90's isn't a good comparison because the countries Canada gets immigration from aren't baseball countries either. It was just that the Jays won back to back and people were high off that. Soccer is a world sport and basketball pretty much the same. Sure I agree that right now if the Raptors sucked(they will) and the Leafs won there would currently be a big gap. But project 20 years or so out post boomers/upper X.... It's more than the Black pop that likes b-ball better. Canada doesn't have that big of black pop and the survey I showed on the last page was that counting all minorities gen Z they like b-ball double compare to hockey. You can't ignore that. Again I'm not saying minorities hate hockey or there are no fans or they can't be increase with stuff like making hockey cheaper. I'm just saying it's not going to be like 1980's Canada where it was 100% hockey with some baseball mixed in for summer. Times are changing. Hockey for a long time will be number 1 but post boomers that gap will narrow. It's just not other sports you have to compete with either. As with the US younger people % wise aren't as big of sports fans in general as the boomers. The biggest competition of all is the cell phone. |
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Post by mikecubs on Sept 18, 2023 4:32:16 GMT -6
Off topic but only 6% of people in Quebec are hard core baseball fans In the early 80s, the Expos were very popular in Quebec. However, after the ownership dismantled the best young team in baseball after the 1994 strike, the sport never recovered in Montreal. For one thing, the new ownership group did not even attempt to promote their product. It was clear that Claude Brochu never had the intention of spending money on the team, both onfield and offield. Then when Loria acquired the team, he was hell bent on relocating the team. The slow demise of the Expos was one of the most tragic things even in Canadian sports. They deserved a better fate. The early 80's was only a 5 year run where they really drew. Even in 1994 they only drew around 24,543 20th in the league Brochu and the others didn't have the $ to spend since they were in a whofully outdated stadium and baseball had no revenue sharing at that time. Also MLB didn't have steroid testing at the time which was a killer for small market teams since players played great into their 30's unlike now. With modern baseball it's not such a bad thing to lose 30 year old free agents since they fall off without help. In the time of the Expos it was a killer. The thing that killed them the most was lack of public $$$ for a new stadium. Smaller markets get a lot of help from the public. The Expos didn't. American small markets got new retro parks to increase $$$ (big markets too) the expos got stuck in the big O. Loria was the only one that was willing to buy the team. MLB looked for local owners and no one wanted it since they knew no $$$ was coming for Labatt Park. He was an awful owner for both the Expos and Marlins but he wasn't the reason they left. David Samson had a podcast recently on the Expos and their experience owning them. He said they made mistakes but did try for a new stadium but it wasn't coming. He said they never should have been the owners and local people should have stepped up. MLB actually told Loria that he couldn't relocate to Washington because he was a new owner and they didn't want him to have the increase franchise value of being in DC |
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Post by 2b9 on Oct 7, 2023 18:18:39 GMT -6
Happy Canadian Thanksgiving to all😃👍!
Gobble, Gobble 😃👍!
BTW, no way in heck does Atlanta deserve a third shot at the NHL.
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 4, 2024 23:04:46 GMT -6
Members of Forsyth County development 'The Gathering' meet with NHL about potential team
During the meeting, the board of commissioners voted 4-1 to move forward on the progress of "The Gathering" -- a more than $1 billion entertainment complex. The Forsyth County Board of Commissioners met Wednesday to vote on advancing a potential massive entertainment hub that would be centered in the north metro. D uring the meeting, the board of commissioners voted 4-1 to move forward on the progress of "The Gathering" -- a more than $1 billion complex that would include housing, shops, office buildings and an arena space with over 18,000 seats in south Forsyth County.The only contingency to the completion of the project, as discussed in Wednesday's meeting, is the return of a National Hockey League team to Georgia that would make the arena at the massive proposed development their new home. 11Alive confirmed Wednesday that Forsyth County officials visited the NHL headquarters in New York, where they toured UBS Arena -- an arena constructed in 2021 that is home to the New York Islanders.If the NHL approves a team to return to Georgia, Forsyth County would offer $350 million toward the arena and an additional $40 million toward a single-arena parking deck, according to details in the new vote passed Wednesday.The proposal also estimated there would be approximately 178 events at "The Gathering," which includes 41 home games -- an effort by developers to convince county commissioners the world-class entertainment district would include more than just hockey games. The new ownership group for the potential NHL team would be Krause Sports and Entertainment.“We believe this strategic partnership between Forsyth County and Krause Sports and Entertainment will redefine the landscape of entertainment and sports in the region," Forsyth County Manager David McKee said. "The Gathering at South Forsyth is poised to become the cultural and economic epicenter, offering a range of entertainment options for our residents and visitors alike." Other details discussed in the proposal include: The NHL team must remain in the area until the debt is retired. There would be 1,800 multi-family homes -- the sale of these homes would help pay for the franchise, which would cost more than $1 billion. In order for the new complex to be approved, they must raise the hotel-motel excise tax by 5-8% -- for which the state must give a go-ahead followed by county approval. The NHL has provided no guarantees for a new team as of now, per the proposal. "I could not be more thrilled to take this giant step forward to bring this vision and dream to life for this community,” CEO of Krause Sports and Entertainment Vernon Krause said. “Marie and I and our family, along with our team, are committed to creating a gathering place that will cater to diverse interests and provide an unparalleled world-class experience for all. The prospect of bringing the National Hockey League back to Georgia adds another layer of excitement to this venture, and we are eager to pursue that potential." www.11alive.com/article/news/local/forsyth-county-officials-visit-nhl-potential-hockey-return-the-gathering/85-5cd55ede-9187-47bf-87dd-2a2c956d7d63   
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 4, 2024 23:10:38 GMT -6
If this goes through Atlanta will get an expansion team. The NHL isn't going to leave that big of a market open. This is a lot like the Atlanta Braves ballpark. A big development around it located in the north Atlanta suburbs where all the money is. Also TNT wants a local team.
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Post by ekjet72 on Mar 5, 2024 15:57:01 GMT -6
If this goes through Atlanta will get an expansion team. The NHL isn't going to leave that big of a market open. This is a lot like the Atlanta Braves ballpark. A big development around it located in the north Atlanta suburbs where all the money is. Also TNT wants a local team. So is it third time is a charm OR strike 3 and you're out! |
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Post by wolfmannick on Mar 5, 2024 16:27:41 GMT -6
I'm more wondering what the nhl is gonna ask for an expansion fee this time around, the kraken came in for $650 million
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 5, 2024 18:41:45 GMT -6
Members of Forsyth County development 'The Gathering' meet with NHL about potential team
During the meeting, the board of commissioners voted 4-1 to move forward on the progress of "The Gathering" -- a more than $1 billion entertainment complex. The Forsyth County Board of Commissioners met Wednesday to vote on advancing a potential massive entertainment hub that would be centered in the north metro. D uring the meeting, the board of commissioners voted 4-1 to move forward on the progress of "The Gathering" -- a more than $1 billion complex that would include housing, shops, office buildings and an arena space with over 18,000 seats in south Forsyth County.The only contingency to the completion of the project, as discussed in Wednesday's meeting, is the return of a National Hockey League team to Georgia that would make the arena at the massive proposed development their new home. 11Alive confirmed Wednesday that Forsyth County officials visited the NHL headquarters in New York, where they toured UBS Arena -- an arena constructed in 2021 that is home to the New York Islanders.If the NHL approves a team to return to Georgia, Forsyth County would offer $350 million toward the arena and an additional $40 million toward a single-arena parking deck, according to details in the new vote passed Wednesday.The proposal also estimated there would be approximately 178 events at "The Gathering," which includes 41 home games -- an effort by developers to convince county commissioners the world-class entertainment district would include more than just hockey games. The new ownership group for the potential NHL team would be Krause Sports and Entertainment.“We believe this strategic partnership between Forsyth County and Krause Sports and Entertainment will redefine the landscape of entertainment and sports in the region," Forsyth County Manager David McKee said. "The Gathering at South Forsyth is poised to become the cultural and economic epicenter, offering a range of entertainment options for our residents and visitors alike." Other details discussed in the proposal include: The NHL team must remain in the area until the debt is retired. There would be 1,800 multi-family homes -- the sale of these homes would help pay for the franchise, which would cost more than $1 billion. In order for the new complex to be approved, they must raise the hotel-motel excise tax by 5-8% -- for which the state must give a go-ahead followed by county approval. The NHL has provided no guarantees for a new team as of now, per the proposal. "I could not be more thrilled to take this giant step forward to bring this vision and dream to life for this community,” CEO of Krause Sports and Entertainment Vernon Krause said. “Marie and I and our family, along with our team, are committed to creating a gathering place that will cater to diverse interests and provide an unparalleled world-class experience for all. The prospect of bringing the National Hockey League back to Georgia adds another layer of excitement to this venture, and we are eager to pursue that potential." www.11alive.com/article/news/local/forsyth-county-officials-visit-nhl-potential-hockey-return-the-gathering/85-5cd55ede-9187-47bf-87dd-2a2c956d7d63 It looks great. Question is, are there enough NHL fans? This will be the third time for Atlanta. Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍 |
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Post by 2b9 on Mar 5, 2024 18:45:28 GMT -6
If this goes through Atlanta will get an expansion team. The NHL isn't going to leave that big of a market open. This is a lot like the Atlanta Braves ballpark. A big development around it located in the north Atlanta suburbs where all the money is. Also TNT wants a local team. It was already stated in your previous initial comment that this proposal only goes through if Atlanta is awarded an NHL franchise. Am I missing something here? Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍 |
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 5, 2024 20:32:07 GMT -6
If this goes through Atlanta will get an expansion team. The NHL isn't going to leave that big of a market open. This is a lot like the Atlanta Braves ballpark. A big development around it located in the north Atlanta suburbs where all the money is. Also TNT wants a local team. It was already stated in your previous initial comment that this proposal only goes through if Atlanta is awarded an NHL franchise. Am I missing something here? Cheers, 2b9😉😃👍 No that's right. I think it still needs more votes too if I'm not mistaken for it to go through along with being awarded a team. |
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Post by mikecubs on Mar 5, 2024 20:35:09 GMT -6
If this goes through Atlanta will get an expansion team. The NHL isn't going to leave that big of a market open. This is a lot like the Atlanta Braves ballpark. A big development around it located in the north Atlanta suburbs where all the money is. Also TNT wants a local team. So is it third time is a charm OR strike 3 and you're out! Charm. Look at the amount of TV money in the game with the new tv deal. Since the new TV deal the Coyotes have made freaking money. Time 1 Atlanta was a small city. Time 2 Atlanta had awful awful ownership and played downtown which is very black. Atlanta is the rare place where a suburban park/arena is good since most of the whites with money live in north suburban Atlanta. |
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